Re: No mass rebuild in Fedora 25

2016-05-05 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > On 05/02/2016 01:24 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: >> There is strong engineering value in having two releases per year: >> release early, release often. There are many projects that develop >> through Fedora that get thrown into disarray when our cycle gets too far >>

Re: No mass rebuild in Fedora 25

2016-05-03 Thread Florian Weimer
On 05/02/2016 09:51 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: I had another conversation with them on IRC today. They knew, but when the wrong schedule was put up they thought FESCo had changed plans. There's also been some kerfluffle with the strlcat() patches that got pushed out, so we're going to have to

Re: No mass rebuild in Fedora 25

2016-05-02 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2016-05-02 at 22:36 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > > If there is genuine interest of start releasing fedora on time you will > not achieve that goal by not doing or blocking mass rebuilds, you either > need to stabilize anaconda development earlier in the cycle or find > another

Re: No mass rebuild in Fedora 25

2016-05-02 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 05/02/2016 01:24 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: There is strong engineering value in having two releases per year: release early, release often. There are many projects that develop through Fedora that get thrown into disarray when our cycle gets too far out of whack (prominent examples being

Re: No mass rebuild in Fedora 25

2016-05-02 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Monday, 02 May 2016 at 19:22, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > On Monday, 02 May 2016 at 18:15, Jakub Jelinek wrote: > > On Mon, May 02, 2016 at 10:03:51AM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > > > On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 8:58 AM, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski > > > wrote: > > > > On Monday, 02 M

Re: No mass rebuild in Fedora 25

2016-05-02 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On 05/02/2016 03:35 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: The reason for not having mass rebuild during F25 development cycle is very tight schedule for F25 and we would like to avoid slips in F25 as much as possible. That is the main motivation here. >>> In other words sacrificing quality for m

Re: No mass rebuild in Fedora 25

2016-05-02 Thread Peter Robinson
>>> The reason for not having mass rebuild during F25 development cycle is >>> very tight schedule for F25 and we would like to avoid slips in F25 as >>> much as possible. That is the main motivation here. >> In other words sacrificing quality for marketing reasons - Utterly poor :( >> > > It's not

Re: No mass rebuild in Fedora 25

2016-05-02 Thread James Hogarth
On 2 May 2016 17:05, "Chris Murphy" wrote: > > On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 8:58 AM, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski > wrote: > > On Monday, 02 May 2016 at 15:24, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > [...] > >> All of the major stakeholders that usually trigger a mass rebuild (GCC, glibc, > >> etc.) have been n

Re: No mass rebuild in Fedora 25

2016-05-02 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Monday, 02 May 2016 at 18:15, Jakub Jelinek wrote: > On Mon, May 02, 2016 at 10:03:51AM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 8:58 AM, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski > > wrote: > > > On Monday, 02 May 2016 at 15:24, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > > [...] > > >> All of the major st

Re: No mass rebuild in Fedora 25

2016-05-02 Thread Jakub Jelinek
On Mon, May 02, 2016 at 10:03:51AM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 8:58 AM, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski > wrote: > > On Monday, 02 May 2016 at 15:24, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > [...] > >> All of the major stakeholders that usually trigger a mass rebuild (GCC, > >> glibc,

Re: No mass rebuild in Fedora 25

2016-05-02 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 8:58 AM, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > On Monday, 02 May 2016 at 15:24, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > [...] >> All of the major stakeholders that usually trigger a mass rebuild (GCC, >> glibc, >> etc.) have been notified directly and are on board with this. This >>

Re: No mass rebuild in Fedora 25

2016-05-02 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Monday, 02 May 2016 at 15:24, Stephen Gallagher wrote: [...] > All of the major stakeholders that usually trigger a mass rebuild (GCC, glibc, > etc.) have been notified directly and are on board with this. This > announcement > was to ensure that no one was left surprised by this in case we mis

Re: No mass rebuild in Fedora 25

2016-05-02 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On 05/02/2016 09:12 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 05/02/2016 02:16 PM, Jan Kurik wrote: > >> The reason for not having mass rebuild during F25 development cycle is >> very tight schedule for F25 and we would like to avoid slips in F25 as >> much as possible. That is the main motivation here. > In

Re: No mass rebuild in Fedora 25

2016-05-02 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 05/02/2016 02:16 PM, Jan Kurik wrote: > > The reason for not having mass rebuild during F25 development cycle is >> very tight schedule for F25 and we would like to avoid slips in F25 as >> much as possible. That is the main motivation he

Re: No mass rebuild in Fedora 25

2016-05-02 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 05/02/2016 02:16 PM, Jan Kurik wrote: The reason for not having mass rebuild during F25 development cycle is very tight schedule for F25 and we would like to avoid slips in F25 as much as possible. That is the main motivation here. In other words sacrificing quality for marketing reasons - U

Re: No mass rebuild in Fedora 25

2016-05-02 Thread Florian Weimer
On 05/02/2016 12:15 PM, Jan Kurik wrote: Hi Fedora developers, As several people already started to propose their Changes for Fedora 25, I would like to emphasize a decision FESCo made in January [1], not to do mass rebuild during the Fedora 25 development cycle [2]. This is very unfortunate b

Re: No mass rebuild in Fedora 25

2016-05-02 Thread Jan Kurik
On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 2:07 PM, Jiri Vanek wrote: > Hello! > > this link > > [1] > https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/fesco/fesco.2016-01-08-17.22.html > Do not explain more about the missing mass rebuild. Are there more > infomration about? The link points to the minutes from the FESCo me

Re: No mass rebuild in Fedora 25

2016-05-02 Thread Jiri Vanek
Hello! this link > [1] https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/fesco/fesco.2016-01-08-17.22.html Do not explain more about the missing mass rebuild. Are there more infomration about? [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/25/Schedule Thanx! J. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedo

No mass rebuild in Fedora 25

2016-05-02 Thread Jan Kurik
Hi Fedora developers, As several people already started to propose their Changes for Fedora 25, I would like to emphasize a decision FESCo made in January [1], not to do mass rebuild during the Fedora 25 development cycle [2]. All the Changes requiring mass rebuild should be postponed to Fedora 2