Re: Grub installation. First potential Fedora killer

2014-01-13 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2014-01-14 at 07:13 +0100, Jean François Martinez wrote: > > A GUI program would not fix your problem. If os-prober isn't finding your > > CentOS install, a GUI boot manager wouldn't either. I suggest filing a bug > > and attaching the following; > > > > In fact when run grub2-mkconfig

Re: Grub installation. First potential Fedora killer

2014-01-13 Thread Jean François Martinez
On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 12:54:36 -0700 Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Jan 13, 2014, at 12:56 AM, Jean François Martinez wrote: > > > > It is refreshing to see I am not alone. Grub2 has the syndrome of > > "developpers becaming infatuated and not hiving a hoot about erfs err, I > > meant users". >

Re: Grub installation. First potential Fedora killer

2014-01-13 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 13, 2014, at 12:56 AM, Jean François Martinez wrote: > > It is refreshing to see I am not alone. Grub2 has the syndrome of > "developpers becaming infatuated and not hiving a hoot about erfs err, I > meant users". In a sense, they're right, because they're making something that user

Re: bootloaderspec, was: Grub installation. First potential Fedora killer

2014-01-13 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 13, 2014, at 5:24 AM, Harald Hoyer wrote: > On 01/10/2014 11:57 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: >> On Thu, 2014-01-09 at 14:30 +0100, Harald Hoyer wrote: >>> >>> That's the reason we came up with >>> http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/BootLoaderSpec/ >>> >>> and even have a patch

Re: Grub installation. First potential Fedora killer

2014-01-13 Thread Harald Hoyer
On 01/10/2014 11:57 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Thu, 2014-01-09 at 14:30 +0100, Harald Hoyer wrote: >> On 01/02/2014 11:32 PM, Jean François Martinez wrote: >>> I have a nice booter setup and a nice _main_ Linux installation. Last thing >>> I would want is a distribution I am _testing_, that

Re: Grub installation. First potential Fedora killer

2014-01-12 Thread Jean François Martinez
On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 15:21:16 -0700 Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:58 PM, Jean François Martinez wrote: > > > Installer sees the partitions of other Linuxes. But when rebooting after > > installation Fedora was the only choice. > > > > Running grub2-mkconfig fixed it, ie other

Re: Grub installation. First potential Fedora killer

2014-01-12 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:58 PM, Jean François Martinez wrote: > Installer sees the partitions of other Linuxes. But when rebooting after > installation Fedora was the only choice. > > Running grub2-mkconfig fixed it, ie other distribution became available. > Sort of. Problems: > 1) Fedora wa

Re: Grub installation. First potential Fedora killer

2014-01-12 Thread Jean François Martinez
Installer sees the partitions of other Linuxes. But when rebooting after installation Fedora was the only choice. Running grub2-mkconfig fixed it, ie other distribution became available. Sort of. Problems: 1) Fedora was the default and there is no easy way (that is without reading the 150+

Re: Grub installation. First potential Fedora killer

2014-01-10 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2014-01-09 at 14:30 +0100, Harald Hoyer wrote: > On 01/02/2014 11:32 PM, Jean François Martinez wrote: > > I have a nice booter setup and a nice _main_ Linux installation. Last thing > > I would want is a distribution I am _testing_, that is Fedora 20 forces on > > me it will be my main

Re: Grub installation. First potential Fedora killer

2014-01-09 Thread Harald Hoyer
On 01/02/2014 11:32 PM, Jean François Martinez wrote: > I have a nice booter setup and a nice _main_ Linux installation. Last thing > I would want is a distribution I am _testing_, that is Fedora 20 forces on > me it will be my main installation and forces me to choose between installing > Grub

Re: Grub installation. First potential Fedora killer

2014-01-08 Thread Gene Czarcinski
On 01/07/2014 12:28 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Jan 7, 2014, at 12:28 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: I recalled that we'd had some kind of issue with the mkconfig/install ordering before while I was writing the patch, indeed, but I couldn't recall if it was mkconfig sometimes requiring install to ha

Re: Grub installation. First potential Fedora killer

2014-01-07 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 7, 2014, at 12:28 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > I recalled that > we'd had some kind of issue with the mkconfig/install ordering before > while I was writing the patch, indeed, but I couldn't recall if it was > mkconfig sometimes requiring install to have been run, or the other way > around

Re: Grub installation. First potential Fedora killer

2014-01-06 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2014-01-06 at 00:43 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Jan 6, 2014, at 12:04 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > On Sun, 2014-01-05 at 22:52 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > >> On Thu, 2014-01-02 at 23:32 +0100, Jean François Martinez wrote: > >>> I have a nice booter setup and a nice _main_ Lin

Re: Grub installation. First potential Fedora killer

2014-01-06 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 6, 2014, at 2:35 PM, Jean François Martinez wrote: > Centos 6 wasn't detected at install time. This is rather vague. Do you mean the installer doesn't see any of the CentOS partitions/LVs? Or CentOS isn't included as a grub menu item after installing Fedora 20? Chris Murphy -- deve

Re: Grub installation. First potential Fedora killer

2014-01-06 Thread Jean François Martinez
Centos 6 wasn't detected at install time. On Sun, 05 Jan 2014 22:52:35 -0800 Adam Williamson wrote: > On Thu, 2014-01-02 at 23:32 +0100, Jean François Martinez wrote: > > I have a nice booter setup and a nice _main_ Linux installation. Last > > thing I would want is a distribution I am _testing

Re: Grub installation. First potential Fedora killer

2014-01-06 Thread Jean François Martinez
I just want the option of grub installed in the boot partition instead of in the MBR. That is all. For now I want to keep it "subordinate". And I Don't doubt users of other distributions willing to give it a try will want it like that. Do you know how Microsoft did in order to get users movi

Re: Grub installation. First potential Fedora killer

2014-01-06 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 6, 2014, at 12:48 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > I dunno, it's in there for the regular grub2 install so I kept it for > the 'non-install-install' I'm suggesting. Looks optional. Not created by grub anyway. https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/grub-devel/2013-01/msg00088.html > bootloade

Re: Grub installation. First potential Fedora killer

2014-01-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2014-01-06 at 00:43 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Jan 6, 2014, at 12:04 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > On Sun, 2014-01-05 at 22:52 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > >> On Thu, 2014-01-02 at 23:32 +0100, Jean François Martinez wrote: > >>> I have a nice booter setup and a nice _main_ Lin

Re: Grub installation. First potential Fedora killer

2014-01-05 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 6, 2014, at 12:04 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Sun, 2014-01-05 at 22:52 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: >> On Thu, 2014-01-02 at 23:32 +0100, Jean François Martinez wrote: >>> I have a nice booter setup and a nice _main_ Linux installation. Last >>> thing I would want is a distribution

Re: Grub installation. First potential Fedora killer

2014-01-05 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 5, 2014, at 11:27 PM, Jean François Martinez wrote: > This is not the problem. THe problem is: a user of another distribution > will not want to touch Fedora with a ten foot pole pnce he discovers Fedora > messe up with his booter setup. And the parttitionner is equally bad. These

Re: Grub installation. First potential Fedora killer

2014-01-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2014-01-05 at 22:52 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Thu, 2014-01-02 at 23:32 +0100, Jean François Martinez wrote: > > I have a nice booter setup and a nice _main_ Linux installation. Last > > thing I would want is a distribution I am _testing_, that is Fedora 20 > > forces on me it will

Re: Grub installation. First potential Fedora killer

2014-01-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2014-01-02 at 23:32 +0100, Jean François Martinez wrote: > I have a nice booter setup and a nice _main_ Linux installation. Last > thing I would want is a distribution I am _testing_, that is Fedora 20 > forces on me it will be my main installation and forces me to choose > between install

Re: Grub installation. First potential Fedora killer

2014-01-05 Thread Jean François Martinez
This is not the problem. THe problem is: a user of another distribution will not want to touch Fedora with a ten foot pole pnce he discovers Fedora messe up with his booter setup. And the parttitionner is equally bad. These are two areas a distribution not only in the area of bugs but in the

Re: Grub installation. First potential Fedora killer

2014-01-05 Thread Gene Czarcinski
On 01/02/2014 05:32 PM, Jean François Martinez wrote: I have a nice booter setup and a nice _main_ Linux installation. Last thing I would want is a distribution I am _testing_, that is Fedora 20 forces on me it will be my main installation and forces me to choose between installing Grub on th

Grub installation. First potential Fedora killer

2014-01-02 Thread Jean François Martinez
I have a nice booter setup and a nice _main_ Linux installation. Last thing I would want is a distribution I am _testing_, that is Fedora 20 forces on me it will be my main installation and forces me to choose between installing Grub on the MBR or not at all. In addition it didn't detect my ot