Re: F39 Change Proposal: Allow Removal of tzdata (System-Wide)

2023-09-27 Thread Carlos O'Donell
On 9/27/23 04:43, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 6:24 AM Remi Collet wrote: >> >> Le 26/09/2023 à 19:32, Carlos O'Donell a écrit : >> In version 8.3 (F40) we'll includes the UTC definition in our patch to use system tzdata, UTC being use as the fallback value. >>> >

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Allow Removal of tzdata (System-Wide)

2023-09-27 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 6:24 AM Remi Collet wrote: > > Le 26/09/2023 à 19:32, Carlos O'Donell a écrit : > > >> In version 8.3 (F40) we'll includes the UTC definition > >> in our patch to use system tzdata, UTC being use > >> as the fallback value. > > > > I'm curious; what does this patch look lik

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Allow Removal of tzdata (System-Wide)

2023-09-26 Thread Remi Collet
Le 26/09/2023 à 19:32, Carlos O'Donell a écrit : In version 8.3 (F40) we'll includes the UTC definition in our patch to use system tzdata, UTC being use as the fallback value. I'm curious; what does this patch look like? (trivial) patch to our system tzdata patch attached In short, if file

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Allow Removal of tzdata (System-Wide)

2023-09-26 Thread Carlos O'Donell
On Mon, Sep 25, 2023 at 4:39 AM Vít Ondruch wrote: > Dne 22. 09. 23 v 16:01 Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek napsal(a): > > On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 10:43:05AM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: > >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2233281#c3 > >> > >> This probably answers my question. So heads up t

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Allow Removal of tzdata (System-Wide)

2023-09-26 Thread Carlos O'Donell
On Mon, Sep 25, 2023 at 4:52 AM Remi Collet wrote: > > Le 25/09/2023 à 10:38, Vít Ondruch a écrit : > > > > Dne 22. 09. 23 v 16:01 Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek napsal(a): > >> On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 10:43:05AM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: > >>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2233281#c3 >

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Allow Removal of tzdata (System-Wide)

2023-09-25 Thread Remi Collet
Le 25/09/2023 à 10:38, Vít Ondruch a écrit : Dne 22. 09. 23 v 16:01 Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek napsal(a): On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 10:43:05AM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2233281#c3 This probably answers my question. So heads up to others. Dne 22. 09.

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Allow Removal of tzdata (System-Wide)

2023-09-25 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 22. 09. 23 v 16:01 Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek napsal(a): On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 10:43:05AM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2233281#c3 This probably answers my question. So heads up to others. Dne 22. 09. 23 v 10:39 Vít Ondruch napsal(a): Was this i

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Allow Removal of tzdata (System-Wide)

2023-09-22 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 10:43:05AM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2233281#c3 > > This probably answers my question. So heads up to others. > > Dne 22. 09. 23 v 10:39 Vít Ondruch napsal(a): > > Was this implemented in past days? I am asking because this FTB

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Allow Removal of tzdata (System-Wide)

2023-09-22 Thread Vít Ondruch
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2233281#c3 This probably answers my question. So heads up to others. Vít Dne 22. 09. 23 v 10:39 Vít Ondruch napsal(a): Was this implemented in past days? I am asking because this FTBFS suggest so: https://koschei.fedoraproject.org/package/rubyge

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Allow Removal of tzdata (System-Wide)

2023-09-22 Thread Vít Ondruch
Was this implemented in past days? I am asking because this FTBFS suggest so: https://koschei.fedoraproject.org/package/rubygem-timecop?collection=f40 Vít Dne 26. 06. 23 v 17:54 Aoife Moloney napsal(a): https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AllowRemovalOfTzdata This document represents a

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Retire Modularity (Self Contained)

2023-08-09 Thread Jaroslav Mracek
I am just curious, who is going to provide or test upgrade path for packages originally provided by modular repositories? I am asking as DNF maintainer, because problems with upgrades are often reported to our components. ___ devel mailing list -- devel

Re: F39 Change Proposal: LibuserDeprecation (System Wide)

2023-08-04 Thread Petr Lautrbach
Steve Grubb writes: > On Monday, June 26, 2023 2:47:01 PM EDT Peter Robinson wrote: >> On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 5:15 PM Aoife Moloney wrote: >> > >> > >> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/LibuserDeprecation >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Haskell GHC 9.4 and Stackage LTS 21 (Self-Contained)

2023-07-30 Thread Jens-Ulrik Petersen
This Change proposal is really mostly informational... I know it's only 9 days since it was announced, but with Flock around the corner and the Testable deadline fast approaching the following week, it would really help me if this could get a formal green light soon to go ahead. Jens _

Re: F39 Change Proposal: IBus 1.5.29 (System-Wide)

2023-07-27 Thread Takao Fujiwara
Sorry, I missed the reply. Currently the default input method is the Qt IBus IM module by setting QT_IM_MODULE=ibus environment variable with imsettings module in Plasma Wayland and this Change is to make another IBus Wayland IM module and users switch the input method by manual using systemsett

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-27 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 26. 07. 23 v 21:11 Björn Persson napsal(a): Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: On 26/07/2023 11:04, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: You could, for example, buy a supported Logitech Receiver I don't recommend anyone to buy this proprietary hardware: For years I tried to use Bluetooth m

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-26 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Wednesday, 26 July 2023 at 21:11, Björn Persson wrote: > Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > On 26/07/2023 11:04, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > > > You could, for example, buy a supported Logitech > > > Receiver > > > > I don't recommend anyone to buy this proprietary hardware: > >

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-26 Thread Björn Persson
Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > On 26/07/2023 11:04, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > > You could, for example, buy a supported Logitech > > Receiver > > I don't recommend anyone to buy this proprietary hardware: For years I tried to use Bluetooth mice, thinking a standard would be pre

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-26 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 26/07/2023 11:24, Alexander Ploumistos wrote: What Dominik wrote would apply e.g. for an NVMe replacement drive from Kingston or Samsung (proprietary hardware too, it's a shocker). None of my 5 Samsung SSDs are supported (3 NVMe and 2 SATA). But they can be updated from MS Windows. I gues

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-26 Thread Leon Fauster via devel
Am 26.07.23 um 18:00 schrieb Chris Adams: Once upon a time, Solomon Peachy said: None of the other SSDs I have deployed (Samsung and Crucual SATA) are updatable via LVFS, unfortunately. But, hilariously, both Samsung and Crucial's official updaters appear to be self-contained linux ISOs. So c

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-26 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 3:37 PM Ralf Corsépius wrote: > > > > Am 26.07.23 um 15:55 schrieb Solomon Peachy via devel: > > On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 09:45:13AM +0200, Ralf Corsépius wrote: > >> It could be "my bubble", but for me, in all these fwupd is around, it has > >> never, ever worked on any pie

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-26 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Solomon Peachy said: > None of the other SSDs I have deployed (Samsung and Crucual SATA) are > updatable via LVFS, unfortunately. But, hilariously, both Samsung and > Crucial's official updaters appear to be self-contained linux ISOs. So > clearly the technical capability is

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-26 Thread Solomon Peachy via devel
On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 04:36:13PM +0200, Ralf Corsépius wrote: > My (older) lenovo laptop and my HPE Micro-Server are obviously not. The laptop is a T495 (introduced late 2019), but the workstation is an older HP Z440 (introduced in late 2014!) > This is the second time, somebody mentions Samsu

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-26 Thread Ralf Corsépius
Am 26.07.23 um 15:55 schrieb Solomon Peachy via devel: On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 09:45:13AM +0200, Ralf Corsépius wrote: It could be "my bubble", but for me, in all these fwupd is around, it has never, ever worked on any piece of HW for me. Most of the stuff I have that is updated through fwup

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-26 Thread Solomon Peachy via devel
On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 11:48:36AM +0300, Alexander Ploumistos wrote: > That would require people volunteering to potentially brick their > machines in order to test the updates. If something goes wrong, the > equipment (and the knowledge) necessary to reprogram a chip is rather > scarce. I'm afrai

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-26 Thread Solomon Peachy via devel
On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 09:45:13AM +0200, Ralf Corsépius wrote: > It could be "my bubble", but for me, in all these fwupd is around, it has > never, ever worked on any piece of HW for me. Most of the stuff I have that is updated through fwupd are peripherals [1] that are independent of the system

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-26 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 8:40 AM Chris Adams wrote: > > Once upon a time, Vitaly Zaitsev said: > > On 26/07/2023 08:48, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > > >Define small. 😄 > > > > Only Dell, HP and Lenovo laptops are fully supported: > > https://fwupd.org/lvfs/devices/ > > > > fwupd is a gr

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-26 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Vitaly Zaitsev said: > On 26/07/2023 08:48, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > >Define small. 😄 > > Only Dell, HP and Lenovo laptops are fully supported: > https://fwupd.org/lvfs/devices/ > > fwupd is a great tool on laptops but completely useless on desktops > since no mo

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

2023-07-26 Thread Jiri Konecny
Dne 02. 07. 23 v 23:54 Demi Marie Obenour napsal(a): On 6/26/23 12:00, Aoife Moloney wrote: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AnacondaWebUIforFedoraWorkstation This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes process, proposals are publicly announced in order to receive

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-26 Thread Alexander Ploumistos
On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 12:14 PM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > On 26/07/2023 11:04, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > > You could, for example, buy a supported Logitech > > Receiver > > I don't recommend anyone to buy this proprietary hardware: > > > The vulnerabilities allow attackers

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-26 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 26/07/2023 11:04, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: You could, for example, buy a supported Logitech Receiver I don't recommend anyone to buy this proprietary hardware: The vulnerabilities allow attackers to sniff on keyboard traffic, but also inject keystrokes (even into dongles not

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-26 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Wednesday, 26 July 2023 at 10:49, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > On 26/07/2023 10:32, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > Those devices which do support fwupd have a large enough market share > > that it is justifiable to enable it, even if there are many machines > > which can't support it. > > M

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-26 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 26/07/2023 10:32, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: Those devices which do support fwupd have a large enough market share that it is justifiable to enable it, even if there are many machines which can't support it. Maybe Anaconda should only enable it if the device is supported? This information ca

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-26 Thread Alexander Ploumistos
On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 10:59 AM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > Only Dell, HP and Lenovo laptops are fully supported: > https://fwupd.org/lvfs/devices/ Not just laptops, desktops/workstations too. In the last six years, I've had five different models provided by my employers and they were al

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-26 Thread Daniel P . Berrangé
On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 09:59:26AM +0200, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > On 26/07/2023 08:48, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > > Define small. 😄 > > Only Dell, HP and Lenovo laptops are fully supported: > https://fwupd.org/lvfs/devices/ > > fwupd is a great tool on laptops but completel

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-26 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 26/07/2023 08:48, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: Define small. 😄 Only Dell, HP and Lenovo laptops are fully supported: https://fwupd.org/lvfs/devices/ fwupd is a great tool on laptops but completely useless on desktops since no motherboard vendors support it. Maybe fwupd should st

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-26 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 09:45:13AM +0200, Ralf Corsépius wrote: > > > Am 26.07.23 um 08:48 schrieb Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski: > > On Wednesday, 26 July 2023 at 06:23, Ralf Corsépius wrote: > > > Am 23.07.23 um 00:39 schrieb Neal Gompa: > > > > Actually, why wouldn't this be used everywhere?

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-26 Thread Ralf Corsépius
Am 26.07.23 um 08:48 schrieb Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski: On Wednesday, 26 July 2023 at 06:23, Ralf Corsépius wrote: Am 23.07.23 um 00:39 schrieb Neal Gompa: Actually, why wouldn't this be used everywhere? Because fwupd only works on a small set of machines? Define small. :) Almost n

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-25 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Wednesday, 26 July 2023 at 06:23, Ralf Corsépius wrote: > Am 23.07.23 um 00:39 schrieb Neal Gompa: > > Actually, why wouldn't this be used everywhere? > > Because fwupd only works on a small set of machines? Define small. :) It works, for example, on any machine that has a Logitech Unifying/

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-25 Thread Ralf Corsépius
Am 23.07.23 um 00:39 schrieb Neal Gompa: Actually, why wouldn't this be used everywhere? Because fwupd only works on a small set of machines? Ralf ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lis

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-25 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 10:39 AM Timothée Ravier wrote: > > > Would these messages show up, for example, if they opened the terminal app? > > They only show up on the console / ssh login prompt if I'm not mistaken: > https://github.com/fwupd/fwupd/tree/main/data/motd That means they will show up

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-25 Thread Timothée Ravier
> Would these messages show up, for example, if they opened the terminal app? They only show up on the console / ssh login prompt if I'm not mistaken: https://github.com/fwupd/fwupd/tree/main/data/motd ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-25 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 8:52 AM Timothée Ravier wrote: > > > Actually, why wouldn't this be used everywhere? I could see this be > > useful when people remote into workstations and apply updates. I know > > of plenty of people that split their desktops between local and remote > > access/administr

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-25 Thread Timothée Ravier
> Actually, why wouldn't this be used everywhere? I could see this be > useful when people remote into workstations and apply updates. I know > of plenty of people that split their desktops between local and remote > access/administration. We could enable it everywhere but we've not reached out to

Re: F39 Change Proposal: IBus 1.5.29 (System-Wide)

2023-07-25 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Wed, Jul 05, 2023 at 03:37:27PM +0100, Sebastian Crane wrote: > > As someone who does not use the Plasma desktop currently, I am a > little confused as to why this is a change proposal. If I'm reading it > correctly, Fedora configured Plasma to run on Wayland, which partially > broke IBus suppo

Re: F39 Change Proposal: LibreOffice 7.6 (Self-Contained)

2023-07-23 Thread Mattia Verga via devel
Il 22/07/23 22:31, Kevin Fenzi ha scritto: > On Fri, Jul 21, 2023 at 04:31:01PM +0100, Aoife Moloney wrote: >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/LibreOffice_7.6 >> >> This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes >> process, proposals are publicly announced in order to rec

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-22 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sat, Jul 22, 2023 at 3:32 PM Dan Čermák wrote: > > Hi, > > Aoife Moloney writes: > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/EnableFwupdRefreshByDefault > > > *snip* > > > > == Detailed Description == > > > > Firmware for hardware devices can have bugs and firmware updates > > generally help

Re: F39 Change Proposal: LibreOffice 7.6 (Self-Contained)

2023-07-22 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, Jul 21, 2023 at 04:31:01PM +0100, Aoife Moloney wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/LibreOffice_7.6 > > This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes > process, proposals are publicly announced in order to receive > community feedback. This proposal will on

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-22 Thread Dan Čermák
Hi, Aoife Moloney writes: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/EnableFwupdRefreshByDefault > *snip* > > == Detailed Description == > > Firmware for hardware devices can have bugs and firmware updates > generally help address those. Firmware updates might however need > manual interaction, a

F39 Change Proposal: Enable fwupd-refresh.timer by default on IoT, CoreOS & Server Editions (Self-Contained)

2023-07-21 Thread Aoife Moloney
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/EnableFwupdRefreshByDefault This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes process, proposals are publicly announced in order to receive community feedback. This proposal will only be implemented if approved by the Fedora Engineering Steer

F39 Change Proposal: Haskell GHC 9.4 and Stackage LTS 21 (Self-Contained)

2023-07-21 Thread Aoife Moloney
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Haskell_GHC_9.4_and_Stackage_21 This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes process, proposals are publicly announced in order to receive community feedback. This proposal will only be implemented if approved by the Fedora Engineering S

F39 Change Proposal: LibreOffice 7.6 (Self-Contained)

2023-07-21 Thread Aoife Moloney
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/LibreOffice_7.6 This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes process, proposals are publicly announced in order to receive community feedback. This proposal will only be implemented if approved by the Fedora Engineering Steering Committe

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Color Bash Prompt (System Wide)

2023-07-21 Thread Peter Boy
> Am 15.07.2023 um 21:03 schrieb Matthew Miller : > > On Sat, Jul 15, 2023 at 05:22:15PM +0200, Dan Čermák wrote: >>> For a long time the Fedora default shell prompt has been monochrome, >>> which makes it difficult to find shell prompt commands between long >>> command outputs when scrolling th

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Color Bash Prompt (System Wide)

2023-07-15 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sat, Jul 15, 2023 at 3:04 PM Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 15, 2023 at 05:22:15PM +0200, Dan Čermák wrote: > > > For a long time the Fedora default shell prompt has been monochrome, > > > which makes it difficult to find shell prompt commands between long > > > command outputs when scro

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Color Bash Prompt (System Wide)

2023-07-15 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sat, Jul 15, 2023 at 05:22:15PM +0200, Dan Čermák wrote: > > For a long time the Fedora default shell prompt has been monochrome, > > which makes it difficult to find shell prompt commands between long > > command outputs when scrolling through terminal shell output. > > This Change introduces a

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Color Bash Prompt (System Wide)

2023-07-15 Thread Dan Čermák
Hi, Aoife Moloney writes: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Color_Bash_Prompt > > == Summary == > Introduce a default colored prompt for Fedora's default shell bash. > > == Owner == > > * Name: [[User:Petersen| Jens Petersen]] > > * Email: > > > == Detailed Description == > For a long ti

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Clean Systemd-boot installs (Self-Contained_

2023-07-12 Thread Jeremy Linton
Hi, Thanks for looking at this, and sorry about the delay I was on PTO for a few days. On 6/28/23 09:15, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 12:24:04PM -0500, Jeremy Linton wrote: But, IMHO the largest change is moving the boot kernel/initrd to the ESP, rather than the use of s

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Color Bash Prompt (System Wide)

2023-07-11 Thread Eduard Lucena
What I did with the i3 Spin was to ask to the Design team for something that fits Fedora's color palette. I think for this you could do the same. Br, -- Eduard Lucena Móvil: +56962318010 GNU/Linux User #589060 Ubuntu User #8749 Fedora Marketing Representative ___

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Color Bash Prompt (System Wide)

2023-07-11 Thread Eric Curtin
If you are looking for other ideas, I embed loads of useful info in my prompt: https://imgur.com/a/kVCyVPK time, so you can roughly measure the time between commands, CPU architecture, how far ahead or behind you are in a git repo. But this gets a +1 from me regardless of the result, colors are

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Build Fedora Workstation live ISO with Image Builder (System-Wide)

2023-07-11 Thread Ondřej Budai
On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 2:53 PM Neal Gompa wrote: > On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 8:25 AM Ondřej Budai wrote: > > > > Yep, that's a shortcoming of how we currently upload the builds to koji. > It's something we would like to tackle in the upcoming quarter, see the > tracking ticket: https://issues.red

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Color Bash Prompt (System Wide)

2023-07-10 Thread Jens-Ulrik Petersen
On Fri, Jul 7, 2023 at 7:38 PM Vít Ondruch wrote: > Dne 05. 07. 23 v 11:25 Aoife Moloney napsal(a): > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Color_Bash_Prompt > : > > There seems to be a general desire to have a colored prompt like other > > popular distros, which commonly use green > > Shoul

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Clean Systemd-boot installs (Self-Contained_

2023-07-10 Thread Jeremy Linton
Hi, On 6/22/23 12:28, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/cleanup_systemd_install == Detailed Description == As a first pass, the 'inst.sdboot' option already in anaconda should work. As it stands, that replaces grub+shim with the systemd-boot loader, and

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Color Bash Prompt (System Wide)

2023-07-09 Thread Per Bothner
On 7/9/23 22:20, Jens-Ulrik Petersen wrote: Unfortunately there is no easy way to detect dark or light terminals, to my knowledge at least. You can use the xterm OSC 11;? sequence to request the text background color. Emacs uses this to select light or dark theming. -- --Per Bothner p.

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Color Bash Prompt (System Wide)

2023-07-09 Thread Jens-Ulrik Petersen
On Fri, Jul 7, 2023 at 9:36 PM Marián Konček wrote: > I actually copy-paste the Debian prompt since Debian Jessie on my systems. > Even though it uses blue-green colors, I can see it very well on both > white and black background. > Okay > I think it would be nicer if we played around with sev

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Color Bash Prompt (System Wide)

2023-07-09 Thread Jens-Ulrik Petersen
Thanks for the replies so far. Unfortunately there is no easy way to detect dark or light terminals, to my knowledge at least. Green seems the most friendly color across different palettes and terminals. Though these days modern terminals tend to default to dark (most Fedora editions' default term

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Color Bash Prompt (System Wide)

2023-07-08 Thread Patrick Creech
Sorry if this comes through twice.  Apparently thunderbird's "Reply to list" thought I meant to send it to devel-announce, not devel. On 7/5/23 05:25, Aoife Moloney wrote: == Feedback == Initial [https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/B5AJS3FIIPMF3

Re: F39 Change Proposal: LLVM 17 (System-Wide)

2023-07-07 Thread Tom Stellard
On 7/6/23 10:14, Alessandro Astone wrote: Is there any interest in providing the full older clang binary instead of just compat libraries? In my case, I'm working on an LLVM pass currently targeting LLVM15, and i can use the llvm15 rpm to build it. But then I don't have a way to compile a C so

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Color Bash Prompt (System Wide)

2023-07-07 Thread Marián Konček
I actually copy-paste the Debian prompt since Debian Jessie on my systems. Even though it uses blue-green colors, I can see it very well on both white and black background. I think it would be nicer if we played around with several options and have the user have a simple way of choosing. There

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Color Bash Prompt (System Wide)

2023-07-07 Thread David Both
7 Jul 2023, Chris Adams wrote: Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2023 08:56:00 From: Chris Adams Reply-To: Development discussions related to Fedora To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: F39 Change Proposal: Color Bash Prompt (System Wide) Once upon a time, Vít Ondruch said: Shouldn't blue be t

Re: F39 Change Proposal: LibuserDeprecation (System Wide)

2023-07-07 Thread Tomas Halman
Hi, I went through the thread and there are good points that I was not aware of. But libuser is now pulled into every installation and considering the state of the library (not being developed) I still think we should do something about it. The benefit is small for tools like passwd. The passwd u

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Color Bash Prompt (System Wide)

2023-07-07 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Vít Ondruch said: > Shouldn't blue be the default for Fedora? Blue is probably a bad idea in a prompt, as the human eye doesn't perceive blue as strongly as green. The prompt isn't about art/style, it's purely about functionality. -- Chris Adams __

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Color Bash Prompt (System Wide)

2023-07-07 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Fri, Jul 07, 2023 at 01:38:08PM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: > > > > There seems to be a general desire to have a colored prompt like other > > popular distros, which commonly use green > > > Shouldn't blue be the default for Fedora? > > And I think that dark as well as light color schemes shou

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Color Bash Prompt (System Wide)

2023-07-07 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 05. 07. 23 v 11:25 Aoife Moloney napsal(a): https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Color_Bash_Prompt == Summary == Introduce a default colored prompt for Fedora's default shell bash. == Owner == * Name: [[User:Petersen| Jens Petersen]] * Email: == Detailed Description == For a long ti

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Allow Removal of tzdata (System-Wide)

2023-07-06 Thread Patsy Griffin
On Fri, Jun 30, 2023 at 11:54 AM Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Jonathan Wakely said: > > From the change proposal: > > > > == Feedback == > > In June of 2021, we proposed creating a new tzdata sub-package that > > would only provide the UTC timezone. As part of the discussion around >

Re: F39 Change Proposal: LLVM 17 (System-Wide)

2023-07-06 Thread Alessandro Astone
Is there any interest in providing the full older clang binary instead of just compat libraries? In my case, I'm working on an LLVM pass currently targeting LLVM15, and i can use the llvm15 rpm to build it. But then I don't have a way to compile a C source into an LLVM15-compatible intermediate

Re: F39 Change Proposal: IBus 1.5.29 (System-Wide)

2023-07-05 Thread Sebastian Crane
As someone who does not use the Plasma desktop currently, I am a little confused as to why this is a change proposal. If I'm reading it correctly, Fedora configured Plasma to run on Wayland, which partially broke IBus support. Now, IBus has been updated upstream to support keyboard layout switchin

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Indic Noto fonts (System-Wide)

2023-07-05 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Jul 5, 2023 at 6:04 AM Aoife Moloney wrote: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Indic_Noto_fonts > > This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes > process, proposals are publicly announced in order to receive > community feedback. This proposal will only be im

F39 Change Proposal: Indic Noto fonts (System-Wide)

2023-07-05 Thread Aoife Moloney
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Indic_Noto_fonts This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes process, proposals are publicly announced in order to receive community feedback. This proposal will only be implemented if approved by the Fedora Engineering Steering Committ

F39 Change Proposal: IBus 1.5.29 (System-Wide)

2023-07-05 Thread Aoife Moloney
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/IBus_1.5.29 This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes process, proposals are publicly announced in order to receive community feedback. This proposal will only be implemented if approved by the Fedora Engineering Steering Committee.

F39 Change Proposal: Migrate NetworkManager ifcfg profiles to keyfile (System Wide)

2023-07-05 Thread Aoife Moloney
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/MigrateIfcfgToKeyfile This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes process, proposals are publicly announced in order to receive community feedback. This proposal will only be implemented if approved by the Fedora Engineering Steering Co

F39 Change Proposal: Enable auto-updates by default in Fedora Kinoite (Self-Contained)

2023-07-05 Thread Aoife Moloney
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/KDEKinoiteAutoUpdateByDefault This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes process, proposals are publicly announced in order to receive community feedback. This proposal will only be implemented if approved by the Fedora Engineering Ste

F39 Change Proposal: GNUToolchainF39 (System-Wide)

2023-07-05 Thread Aoife Moloney
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GNUToolchainF39 This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes process, proposals are publicly announced in order to receive community feedback. This proposal will only be implemented if approved by the Fedora Engineering Steering Committ

F39 Change Proposal: Color Bash Prompt (System Wide)

2023-07-05 Thread Aoife Moloney
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Color_Bash_Prompt == Summary == Introduce a default colored prompt for Fedora's default shell bash. == Owner == * Name: [[User:Petersen| Jens Petersen]] * Email: == Detailed Description == For a long time the Fedora default shell prompt has been monochr

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

2023-07-04 Thread Jiří Konečný
4. července 2023 0:44:41 SELČ, Neal Gompa napsal: >On Mon, Jul 3, 2023 at 6:36 PM Jiří Konečný wrote: >> >> Hi, see my replies below. >> >> 2. července 2023 23:56:59 SELČ, Demi Marie Obenour >> napsal: >> >On 6/27/23 05:00, Simon de Vlieger wrote: >> >> On 6/27/23 10:40, Hans de Goede wrote:

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

2023-07-03 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Jul 3, 2023 at 6:36 PM Jiří Konečný wrote: > > Hi, see my replies below. > > 2. července 2023 23:56:59 SELČ, Demi Marie Obenour > napsal: > >On 6/27/23 05:00, Simon de Vlieger wrote: > >> On 6/27/23 10:40, Hans de Goede wrote: > >> > >> > Ok, so can you provide some instructions for how

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

2023-07-03 Thread Jiří Konečný
Hi, see my replies below. 2. července 2023 23:56:59 SELČ, Demi Marie Obenour napsal: >On 6/27/23 05:00, Simon de Vlieger wrote: >> On 6/27/23 10:40, Hans de Goede wrote: >> >> > Ok, so can you provide some instructions for how to make this work ? >> I guess it would be something like add the

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

2023-07-03 Thread Jiří Konečný
Hi 3. července 2023 18:57:39 SELČ, Michael Catanzaro napsal: >On Mon, Jul 3 2023 at 12:32:02 PM -0400, Demi Marie Obenour > wrote: >> Why is that? WebKitGTK+ is one of those packages that one should only >> ship if one is willing to take every update from upstream, but my >> understanding is t

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

2023-07-03 Thread Lukáš Tyrychtr
Hello. And to add to the reasons, if the GTK4 bindings of webkit would be used, we would lose screen reader accessibility completely, see https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=227528. Regards, Lukáš Dne 03.07.2023 v 18:15 Simon de Vlieger napsal(a): On 7/3/23 17:18, Demi Marie Obenour wr

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

2023-07-03 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Mon, Jul 3 2023 at 12:32:02 PM -0400, Demi Marie Obenour wrote: Why is that? WebKitGTK+ is one of those packages that one should only ship if one is willing to take every update from upstream, but my understanding is that WebKitGTK+ tries quite hard to make this easy. The set of packages t

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

2023-07-03 Thread Demi Marie Obenour
On 7/3/23 12:30, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Mon, Jul 3 2023 at 06:15:43 PM +0200, Simon de Vlieger > wrote: >> Funnily enough it was switched explicitly from webkitgtk to Firefox >> for >> a reason I forget; I think it was related to disk size. Perhaps Martin >> or Jiri has more details to sh

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

2023-07-03 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Mon, Jul 3 2023 at 06:15:43 PM +0200, Simon de Vlieger wrote: Funnily enough it was switched explicitly from webkitgtk to Firefox for a reason I forget; I think it was related to disk size. Perhaps Martin or Jiri has more details to share on that. It's because we're going to remove WebKitG

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

2023-07-03 Thread Simon de Vlieger
On 7/3/23 17:18, Demi Marie Obenour wrote: Fair. I wonder how much of that memory use would go away if instead of using Firefox, the web content ran in an embedded WebKitGTK+ webview. Browser security is not a concern here because in this case the web content is trusted, and this would also all

Re: F39 Change Proposal: No custom Qt theming for Fedora Workstation (Self Contained)

2023-07-03 Thread Fabio Valentini
On Mon, Jul 3, 2023 at 10:16 AM Jan Grulich wrote: > > Hi, > > po 26. 6. 2023 v 19:26 odesílatel Fabio Valentini > napsal: >> >> On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 6:21 PM Aoife Moloney wrote: >> > >> >> (snip) >> >> > >> > == Detailed Description == >> > [https://github.com/FedoraQt/QGnomePlatform QGnome

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

2023-07-03 Thread Demi Marie Obenour
On 7/3/23 03:18, Simon de Vlieger wrote: > On 7/2/23 23:56, Demi Marie Obenour wrote: > >> Remote installation is not a solution to the memory bloat. It only >> pushes the problem to whatever machine the browser runs on, and it >> has significant and negative security implications. A solution >>

Re: F39 Change Proposal: LibuserDeprecation (System Wide)

2023-07-03 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Monday, 26 June 2023 at 03:16, James Ralston wrote: [...] > To remove a user from a group: > > lgroupmod -m someuser somegroup [...] > But groupmod has no ability to remove a user from a group. [...] > For shadow-utils 4.10 or later, usermod has a new -r option, so it is > possible to const

Re: F39 Change Proposal: No custom Qt theming for Fedora Workstation (Self Contained)

2023-07-03 Thread Jan Grulich
Hi, po 26. 6. 2023 v 19:26 odesílatel Fabio Valentini napsal: > On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 6:21 PM Aoife Moloney wrote: > > > > (snip) > > > > > == Detailed Description == > > [https://github.com/FedoraQt/QGnomePlatform QGnomePlatform] project is > > a Qt Platform Theme plugin. It reads GNOME conf

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

2023-07-03 Thread Simon de Vlieger
On 7/2/23 23:56, Demi Marie Obenour wrote: Remote installation is not a solution to the memory bloat. It only pushes the problem to whatever machine the browser runs on, and it has significant and negative security implications. A solution here would be ensuring that the web UI uses no more RA

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

2023-07-02 Thread Demi Marie Obenour
On 6/27/23 05:00, Simon de Vlieger wrote: > On 6/27/23 10:40, Hans de Goede wrote: > > > Ok, so can you provide some instructions for how to make this work ? > I guess it would be something like add the cmdline option + then start > some systemd unit ? Can you please put some instructions for

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

2023-07-02 Thread Demi Marie Obenour
On 6/26/23 12:00, Aoife Moloney wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AnacondaWebUIforFedoraWorkstation > > This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes > process, proposals are publicly announced in order to receive > community feedback. This proposal will only be

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Build JDKs once, repack everywhere (System-Wide) - Proposal Addendum

2023-06-30 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 08:14:01PM +0200, Jiri Vanek wrote: > Hi Kevin! > I'm unabel to answer that. First release will be a bit experiemntal > for sure. But final target is sure - to persist the underlying > portables and to enable srpm rebuild as comfortably as possible. Sure. > As far rawhide

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Build JDKs once, repack everywhere (System-Wide) - Proposal Addendum

2023-06-30 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 01:23:42PM -0700, Tom Stellard wrote: > On 6/29/23 10:42, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 10:14:31AM -0700, Tom Stellard wrote: > > > On 6/29/23 09:52, Jiri Vanek wrote: > > > > Hi Tom! > > > > > > > > Thanx a lot of for input. Although I did my bes with the

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