Re: 'No bundling' policy details (was Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Playground repository)

On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2014-04-08 at 13:59 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > On 04/08/2014 01:32 PM, Richard Shaw wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Rex Dieter > > > wrote: > > > > > > Stephen Gallagher wrote: >

'No bundling' policy details (was Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Playground repository)

On Tue, 2014-04-08 at 13:59 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > On 04/08/2014 01:32 PM, Richard Shaw wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Rex Dieter > > wrote: > > > > Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > > >> Ask yourself which is more important to most users: 1) My OS

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Playground repository

On 04/17/2014 06:14 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 09:03:20 +0200 Marcela Mašláňová wrote: On 04/15/2014 05:58 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: ...snip... Packages for the repository are built in COPR. The COPR owner can propose the repository as a whole for inclusion into the Playground

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Playground repository

On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 09:03:20 +0200 Marcela Mašláňová wrote: > On 04/15/2014 05:58 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > ...snip... > > > >> Packages for the repository are built in COPR. The COPR owner can > >> propose the repository as a whole for inclusion into the Playground > >> repository by marking it

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Playground repository

On 04/08/2014 08:23 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: So, I need to fully read the change before making more comments, but I thought I would mention Chromium since it seems to come up a lot. Yes, it has a number of bundled things that cannot be easily unbundled. And I would expect that every library bun

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Playground repository

On 04/17/2014 03:03 PM, Florian Weimer wrote: On 04/08/2014 06:17 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: The Playground repository gives contributors a place to host packages that are not up to the standards of the main Fedora repository but may still be useful to other users. For now the Playground reposit

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Playground repository

On 04/08/2014 06:17 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: The Playground repository gives contributors a place to host packages that are not up to the standards of the main Fedora repository but may still be useful to other users. For now the Playground repository contains both packages that are destined fo

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Playground repository

On 04/17/2014 02:34 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 3:03 AM, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: On 04/15/2014 05:58 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: ...snip... Packages for the repository are built in COPR. The COPR owner can propose the repository as a whole for inclusion into the Playground rep

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Playground repository

On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 3:03 AM, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: > On 04/15/2014 05:58 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: >> >> ...snip... >> >>> Packages for the repository are built in COPR. The COPR owner can >>> propose the repository as a whole for inclusion into the Playground >>> repository by marking it as s

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Playground repository

On 04/15/2014 05:58 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: ...snip... Packages for the repository are built in COPR. The COPR owner can propose the repository as a whole for inclusion into the Playground repository by marking it as such in COPR. Repositories/packages successfully built and satisfying the Playg

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Playground repository

...snip... > Packages for the repository are built in COPR. The COPR owner can > propose the repository as a whole for inclusion into the Playground > repository by marking it as such in COPR. Repositories/packages > successfully built and satisfying the Playground repository's > Policies are copi

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Playground repository

Hi, sorry for being a bit late to the discussion. On Tue, 2014-04-08 at 12:23 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote: > > Adding repos definitely should not be taken lightly. Frankly, if 2 is > really something worth doing, then perhaps also the (overly?) stringent > policies need rethinking. The initial

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Playground repository

amer is useless for them and move somewhere else. Christian - Original Message - > From: "Stephen Gallagher" > To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 7:04:54 PM > Subject: Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Playground repository > > -BEG

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Playground repository

On 04/08/2014 10:46 PM, drago01 wrote: On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 6:17 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: = Proposed Self Contained Change: Playground repository = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Playground_repository Change owner(s): Marcela Mašláňová , Mirek Suchý Responsible WG: Env and Stacks

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Playground repository

On Tue, Apr 08, 2014 at 20:21:11 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: Who is doing that work within Fedora today? After the initial review, there is no on-going audit of packages _within_ Fedora to make sure they aren't bundling (or following guidelines at all). That's not to say that we have a massive

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Playground repository

> BTW shake [1] seems to be able to handle ninja [2]. > I posted a review request for it recently. [3] Erm, okay it seems "GN" generates ninja files rather than building them so shake probably doesn't help here. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/m

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Playground repository

On Tue, 2014-04-08 at 15:54 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Tue, Apr 08, 2014 at 13:04:54 -0400, >Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > > >Similarly, there are a great many useful Ruby libraries and > >applications out there for which unbundling them would be an exercise > >in futility. Ask yourself

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Playground repository

> However, earlier this year it also started using another, as far as I > know locally created buildsystem. "GN" at first was not buildable from > source at all. However, it seems that they have improved this and you > can now build it from source on x86_64 (only). That sounds problematic - why x8

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Playground repository

On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 4:54 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Tue, Apr 08, 2014 at 13:04:54 -0400, > Stephen Gallagher wrote: >> >> >> Similarly, there are a great many useful Ruby libraries and >> applications out there for which unbundling them would be an exercise >> in futility. Ask yourself

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Playground repository

On Tue, Apr 08, 2014 at 13:04:54 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: Similarly, there are a great many useful Ruby libraries and applications out there for which unbundling them would be an exercise in futility. Ask yourself which is more important to most users: 1) My OS is perfectly maintainabl

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Playground repository

On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 6:17 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > = Proposed Self Contained Change: Playground repository = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Playground_repository > > Change owner(s): Marcela Mašláňová , Mirek Suchý > > Responsible WG: Env and Stacks WG > > The Playground reposito

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Playground repository

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/08/2014 03:04 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Rex Dieter wrote: >> Adding repos definitely should not be taken lightly. Frankly, if >> 2 is really something worth doing, then perhaps also the >> (overly?) stringent policies need rethinking. >>

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Playground repository

Rex Dieter wrote: Adding repos definitely should not be taken lightly. Frankly, if 2 is really something worth doing, then perhaps also the (overly?) stringent policies need rethinking. I freely admit there's definitely some gray area here, and maybe another repo is indeed the right (ie, least-

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Playground repository

On Tue, 08 Apr 2014 18:34:06 +0200 Marcela Mašláňová wrote: > There are other packages hard to package properly, which could rotten > in Package Reviews. Mostly it's about bundling, but there is also > stuff like Chromium. So, I need to fully read the change before making more comments, but I th

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Playground repository

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/08/2014 01:32 PM, Richard Shaw wrote: > On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Rex Dieter > wrote: > > Stephen Gallagher wrote: > >> Ask yourself which is more important to most users: 1) My OS is >> perfectly maintainab

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Playground repository

On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Rex Dieter wrote: > Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > > Ask yourself which is more important to most users: > > 1) My OS is perfectly maintainable by engineers. > > or > > 2) My OS lets me install the software I need without hassle. > > > > Offering users a slightly-le

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Playground repository

Stephen Gallagher wrote: > Ask yourself which is more important to most users: > 1) My OS is perfectly maintainable by engineers. > or > 2) My OS lets me install the software I need without hassle. > > Offering users a slightly-less stringent repository such as this makes > sense. Adding repos d

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Playground repository

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/08/2014 12:24 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Jaroslav Reznik wrote: >> For now the Playground repository contains both packages that are >> destined for eventual inclusion into the main Fedora repository >> and *packages that are never going to

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Playground repository

On 08/04/14 18:24, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Jaroslav Reznik wrote: For now the Playground repository contains both packages that are destined for eventual inclusion into the main Fedora repository and *packages that are never going to make it there.* This sounds like a problem and not a feat

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Playground repository

Jaroslav Reznik wrote: For now the Playground repository contains both packages that are destined for eventual inclusion into the main Fedora repository and *packages that are never going to make it there.* This sounds like a problem and not a feature. Why would packages never make it to Fedor

F21 Self Contained Change: Playground repository

= Proposed Self Contained Change: Playground repository = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Playground_repository Change owner(s): Marcela Mašláňová , Mirek Suchý Responsible WG: Env and Stacks WG The Playground repository gives contributors a place to host packages that are not up to t