Re: Discussion about dropping qemu builds on i686

On Thu, Apr 17, 2025 at 12:27:26AM +0200, Fabio Valentini wrote: > On Wed, Apr 16, 2025 at 10:04 PM Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 06:21:20PM +0200, Fabio Valentini wrote: > > ...snip... > > > > > The only remaining blocker from official Fedora repos, is - to my > > > knowledg

Re: Discussion about dropping qemu builds on i686

On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 03:56:28PM -0400, Cole Robinson wrote: > On 4/15/25 12:21 PM, Fabio Valentini wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2025, 18:14 Stephen Smoogen > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 at 12:10, Daniel P. Berrangé > > mailto:berra...@redhat

Re: Discussion about dropping qemu builds on i686

On Thu, Apr 17, 2025 at 1:18 PM Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 03:56:28PM -0400, Cole Robinson wrote: > > On 4/15/25 12:21 PM, Fabio Valentini wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2025, 18:14 Stephen Smoogen > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tu

Re: Discussion about dropping qemu builds on i686

On Wed, 2025-04-16 at 12:04 -0700, Josh Stone wrote: > On 4/16/25 5:58 AM, Sérgio Basto via devel wrote: > > On Tue, 2025-04-15 at 18:21 +0200, Fabio Valentini wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2025, 18:14 Stephen Smoogen > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 15 Apr

Re: Discussion about dropping qemu builds on i686

On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 06:21:20PM +0200, Fabio Valentini wrote: ...snip... > The only remaining blocker from official Fedora repos, is - to my knowledge > - wine, which pulls in 32-bit multilib libraries on x86_64. > > With work progressing in Wine upstream to make it possible to run 32-bit > Wi

Re: Discussion about dropping qemu builds on i686

On Wed, Apr 16, 2025 at 3:08 AM Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 11:43:47AM -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 15 2025 at 05:40:43 PM +01:00:00, Richard W.M. Jones > > wrote: > > > I've no argument that Webex is hot proprietary garbage, just saying > > > that it

Re: Discussion about dropping qemu builds on i686

On Wed, Apr 16, 2025 at 10:04 PM Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 06:21:20PM +0200, Fabio Valentini wrote: > ...snip... > > > The only remaining blocker from official Fedora repos, is - to my knowledge > > - wine, which pulls in 32-bit multilib libraries on x86_64. > > > > With work

Re: Discussion about dropping qemu builds on i686

On 4/16/25 5:58 AM, Sérgio Basto via devel wrote: > On Tue, 2025-04-15 at 18:21 +0200, Fabio Valentini wrote: >> On Tue, Apr 15, 2025, 18:14 Stephen Smoogen > > wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 at 12:10, Daniel P. Berrangé >> > wrote: >>

Re: Discussion about dropping qemu builds on i686

On Tue, 2025-04-15 at 18:21 +0200, Fabio Valentini wrote: > On Tue, Apr 15, 2025, 18:14 Stephen Smoogen > wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 at 12:10, Daniel P. Berrangé > > wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 11:43:38AM -0400, Cole Robinson wrote: > > > > > > > > Has anyone gone through

Re: Discussion about dropping qemu builds on i686

Chris Adams venit, vidit, dixit 2025-04-15 19:23:36: > Once upon a time, Daniel P. Berrangé said: > > Ultimately as a Fedora maintainer I came here to make OSS software great. > > When we get to the point that proprietary software needs are imposing a > > burden on Fedora maintainers that diverts

Re: Discussion about dropping qemu builds on i686

On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 05:53:36PM +, Gary Buhrmaster wrote: > On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 4:10 PM Daniel P. Berrangé > wrote: > > > Can we just stop building for i686 in Fedora in general, instead of burning > > maintainer time figuring out deps problems like this... ? What's the > > blocker an

Re: Discussion about dropping qemu builds on i686

On 4/15/25 12:21 PM, Fabio Valentini wrote: > On Tue, Apr 15, 2025, 18:14 Stephen Smoogen > wrote: > > > > On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 at 12:10, Daniel P. Berrangé > mailto:berra...@redhat.com>> wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 11:43:38AM -0400, Cole Robin

Re: Discussion about dropping qemu builds on i686

On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 4:10 PM Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > Can we just stop building for i686 in Fedora in general, instead of burning > maintainer time figuring out deps problems like this... ? What's the > blocker and how much longer do we have to put up with its burden in Fedora ? Was there

Discussion about dropping qemu builds on i686

https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/qemu/pull-request/83 Previous discussion: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/C2U5RBADZB2ZUMR74PLNV73C3AIPSLWH/#C2U5RBADZB2ZUMR74PLNV73C3AIPSLWH qemu currently builds binaries for i686, see eg: https://koji.fedorapr

Re: Discussion about dropping qemu builds on i686

Once upon a time, Daniel P. Berrangé said: > Ultimately as a Fedora maintainer I came here to make OSS software great. > When we get to the point that proprietary software needs are imposing a > burden on Fedora maintainers that diverts resources away from making OSS > great, that's a bad tradeoff

Re: Discussion about dropping qemu builds on i686

On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 11:43:47AM -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Tue, Apr 15 2025 at 05:40:43 PM +01:00:00, Richard W.M. Jones > wrote: > > I've no argument that Webex is hot proprietary garbage, just saying > > that it was once noted as being a blocker. > > Let's agree that anything we ca

Re: Discussion about dropping qemu builds on i686

On Tue, Apr 15, 2025, 18:32 Neal Gompa wrote: > On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 12:21 PM Fabio Valentini > wrote: > > > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2025, 18:14 Stephen Smoogen wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 at 12:10, Daniel P. Berrangé > wrote: > >>> > >>> On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 11:43:38AM -040

Re: Discussion about dropping qemu builds on i686

On Tue, Apr 15 2025 at 05:40:43 PM +01:00:00, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: I've no argument that Webex is hot proprietary garbage, just saying that it was once noted as being a blocker. Let's agree that anything we cannot fix also cannot be a blocker. Third-party proprietary software has had two

Re: Discussion about dropping qemu builds on i686

On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 11:32:35AM -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Tue, Apr 15 2025 at 05:18:06 PM +01:00:00, Richard W.M. Jones > wrote: > >What about Webex, the awful video conferencing software? I've no > >desire to investigate this, but ISTR it linked to system i686 libs. > > Irrelevant

Re: Discussion about dropping qemu builds on i686

On Tue, Apr 15 2025 at 12:31:48 PM -04:00:00, Neal Gompa wrote: This is rude and uncalled for. The Flatpak is an unsupported way to use Steam since it has issues with gamepads, can't access game drives, and messes with the built-in sandbox provided by Steam. OK, but we surely cannot block i

Re: Discussion about dropping qemu builds on i686

Once upon a time, Michael Catanzaro said: > Irrelevant. Webex has a web UI. Use that instead. Continuing to > build i686 packages just to support the native application would be > ridiculous. I don't know the specifics of Webex, but "has a web UI" doesn't always replace desktop applications. Oft

Re: Discussion about dropping qemu builds on i686

On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 06:21:20PM +0200, Fabio Valentini wrote: > On Tue, Apr 15, 2025, 18:14 Stephen Smoogen wrote: > > > > > > > On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 at 12:10, Daniel P. Berrangé > > wrote: > > > >> On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 11:43:38AM -0400, Cole Robinson wrote: > >> > > >> > Has anyone gone th

Re: Discussion about dropping qemu builds on i686

On Tue, Apr 15 2025 at 05:18:06 PM +01:00:00, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: What about Webex, the awful video conferencing software? I've no desire to investigate this, but ISTR it linked to system i686 libs. Irrelevant. Webex has a web UI. Use that instead. Continuing to build i686 packages jus

Re: Discussion about dropping qemu builds on i686

On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 12:21 PM Fabio Valentini wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2025, 18:14 Stephen Smoogen wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 at 12:10, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 11:43:38AM -0400, Cole Robinson wrote: >>> > >>> > Has anyone gone through the effort

Re: Discussion about dropping qemu builds on i686

On Tue, Apr 15, 2025, 18:14 Stephen Smoogen wrote: > > > On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 at 12:10, Daniel P. Berrangé > wrote: > >> On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 11:43:38AM -0400, Cole Robinson wrote: >> > >> > Has anyone gone through the effort of removing i686 from a wide reaching >> > non-leaf package? Any adv

Re: Discussion about dropping qemu builds on i686

On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 12:14:08PM -0400, Stephen Smoogen wrote: > > > On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 at 12:10, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 11:43:38AM -0400, Cole Robinson wrote: > > > > Has anyone gone through the effort of removing i686 from a wide reaching > >

Re: Discussion about dropping qemu builds on i686

On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 at 12:10, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 11:43:38AM -0400, Cole Robinson wrote: > > > > Has anyone gone through the effort of removing i686 from a wide reaching > > non-leaf package? Any advice appreciated > > Can we just stop building for i686 in Fedora i

Re: Discussion about dropping qemu builds on i686

On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 11:43:38AM -0400, Cole Robinson wrote: > > Has anyone gone through the effort of removing i686 from a wide reaching > non-leaf package? Any advice appreciated Can we just stop building for i686 in Fedora in general, instead of burning maintainer time figuring out deps prob

Re: Discussion about dropping qemu builds on i686

On 4/15/25 3:56 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/qemu/pull-request/83 > > Previous discussion: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/C2U5RBADZB2ZUMR74PLNV73C3AIPSLWH/#C2U5RBADZB2ZUMR74PLNV73C3AIPSLWH > > qemu current