Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-05 Thread Pete Zaitcev
On Fri, 02 Mar 2012 12:09:21 +0100 Reindl Harald wrote: > if you are working the whole month on a different component > and give no single feedback to a new reported bug you are > ending in frustrated submitters - if they get a "assigned" > they do not feel ignored This is going to end in counte

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-03 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.03.2012 17:55, schrieb Rahul Sundaram: > On 03/02/2012 10:15 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > >> * writing the systemd-unit takes 2 minutes for postfix >> * no need for package anything, install put it locally in /etc/systemd/system >> * so testing takes another 3 minutes, no compile needed > > T

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Friday, March 2, 2012, 4:21:13 PM, Jóhann wrote: > Some people seem to be confusing this like this would instantly take > effect which is not the case here. > We are just talking about automating the "NonResponsiveMaintainers > policy" as is so instead of an reporter to

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
ike this would instantly take effect which is not the case here. We are just talking about automating the "NonResponsiveMaintainers policy" as is so instead of an reporter to manually perform these steps ( which they can perform at any time now btw ) those steps would be automated

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/02/2012 07:34 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Related to this, Pierre-YvesChibon wrote a tool to check a bunch of things for a fedora account, so you could at least see if someone was still active in some areas while not in others: https://github.com/pypingou/fedora-active-user If you are running

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread drago01
2012/3/2 "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" : > I am a feature owner for a feature that involves components in the hundreds > and is heavily depended on maintainers responsiveness. > > For me to start enacting the non responsive maintainers policy is a > tremendous work thus I'm wondering if there is somethin

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 2 Mar 2012 13:53:55 -0500 Bill Nottingham wrote: > Karel Zak (k...@redhat.com) said: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Policy_for_nonresponsive_package_maintainers > > > > * After 2 attempts of no contact, the reporter asks if anyone > > knows how to contact the maintainer. > > > > *

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 13:53:55 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > 2) It doesn't solve the problem of a non-responsive maintainer where the > requester *DOESN'T* want to take over the package. > > For example, just because I might have a an issue getting a needed change > into glibc doesn't me

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Bill Nottingham
Karel Zak (k...@redhat.com) said: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Policy_for_nonresponsive_package_maintainers > > * After 2 attempts of no contact, the reporter asks if anyone knows how >to contact the maintainer. > > * After another 7 days, the reporter posts a formal request to the >

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 10:20:10AM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > An bugzilla script that acts something like if maintainer has not > responded to a bug report with the status new in a week ( or some > other time ) the non responsive maintainers policy automatically > starts taking effect.

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Kevin Fenzi
Lets drop this subthread please? I don't think it's doing anyone any good to see you two hitting back and forth. If you must, take it to private email? kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 03/02/2012 11:20 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 03/02/2012 05:29 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> That was completely uncalled for. > > I disagree Let me put in another way then. Cut that out. Talking about your world vs my world makes it personal not to mention sarcastic there is zero

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Friday, March 2, 2012, 12:23:51 PM, Jóhann wrote: > On 03/02/2012 05:10 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Again, what access do you need and who have you asked for it? > It's pretty obvious that this is a proposal I made today thus I have > asked no one for it nor can I since infrastructure has mad

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/02/2012 05:29 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: That was completely uncalled for. I disagree I know for a fact that you are well aware of the EOL and other script that is used with bugzilla so you were well aware this was technically achievable and you then your self go about asking me to star

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 03/02/2012 10:53 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 03/02/2012 05:10 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Again, what access do you need and who have you asked for it? > > It's pretty obvious that this is a proposal I made today thus I have > asked no one for it nor can I since infrastructure has

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/02/2012 05:10 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Again, what access do you need and who have you asked for it? It's pretty obvious that this is a proposal I made today thus I have asked no one for it nor can I since infrastructure has made it clear to me when I asked them to fix my user accounti

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/02/2012 10:45 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > for a simple service like postfix or dbmail? surely not! I disagree. > i even sent a bunlde of systemd-units to the devel-list As I informed you at that time, sending a bundle is not very useful. Yo

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 03/02/2012 10:26 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 03/02/2012 04:49 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> What access do you need? If you need something to test and you don't >> have access, run your own instance. > > Here you assume that people have enough hw or vm capable hardware to do > so wh

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - > From: "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" > To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 6:56:47 PM > Subject: Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy > > On 03/02/2012 04:49 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Wha

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 03:27:24PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 03/02/2012 03:21 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > >Process looks like this: > > > >* Guidelines updated > >* Someone notices that the package does not follow the guidelines (Note that > > this step does not require that the

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/02/2012 04:55 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: This timeline is not reasonable. It typically takes half an hour to an hour to write and test it properly Add another half an hour for an individual not familiar with the spec file making the necessary adjustments to the spec file and test rebuild

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.03.2012 17:55, schrieb Aleksandar Kurtakov: > Have you ever thought that for number of people this systemd units might be > something > they know nothing about and they need to spend time on it? have you ever thought that i wrote the systemd-units for nearly all relevant services on my p

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/02/2012 04:49 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: What access do you need? If you need something to test and you don't have access, run your own instance. Here you assume that people have enough hw or vm capable hardware to do so which is not in my case. And this only requires copying the curre

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 03/02/2012 10:15 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > * writing the systemd-unit takes 2 minutes for postfix > * no need for package anything, install put it locally in /etc/systemd/system > * so testing takes another 3 minutes, no compile needed This timeline is not reasonable. It typically takes half

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - > From: "Reindl Harald" > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" > > Cc: "Aleksandar Kurtakov" > Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 6:45:14 PM > Subject: Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy &g

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - > From: "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" > To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 6:45:24 PM > Subject: Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy > > On 03/02/2012 04:42 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 03/02/2012 10:15 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 03/02/2012 04:42 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >>> > Yes the automation would just automate these steps ending with >>> posting >>> > the formal request to devel for fesco to pick up. >>> > >> The best way to convince people is to actually

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.03.2012 17:35, schrieb Aleksandar Kurtakov: >> it takes exactly 5 minutes to write a systemd-unit for most >> services like postfix/dbmail and nothing happens, even >> not if the one you called "boy" submits patches, unit-files >> and pinging maintainers since 3 releases with the result get

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.03.2012 17:23, schrieb Thomas Moschny: > Am 2. März 2012 16:56 schrieb Reindl Harald : >> what are all these maintainers doing? >> >> it takes exactly 5 minutes to write a systemd-unit for most >> services > > Some packages need a bit more love, especially when the sysv init > scripts did

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.03.2012 17:20, schrieb Karel Zak: > On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 01:09:00PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: >> you are missing the differences between "ignored", "assigend" and "fixed" >> where did you see a line that a bug must be fixed in whatever time? >> you did not because it is not there >> >>

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/02/2012 04:42 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Yes the automation would just automate these steps ending with posting > the formal request to devel for fesco to pick up. > The best way to convince people is to actually just do it. Post a script and show that it can be done. Do we have ac

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 03/02/2012 10:04 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > > Yes the automation would just automate these steps ending with posting > the formal request to devel for fesco to pick up. > The best way to convince people is to actually just do it. Post a script and show that it can be done. Rahul -

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/02/2012 04:29 PM, Karel Zak wrote: On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 04:13:44PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: Why do you think it's a bad idea automating a process that is now done manually? because: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Policy_for_nonresponsive_package_maintainers * After 2

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - > From: "Reindl Harald" > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" > > Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 5:56:10 PM > Subject: Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy > > > Am 02.03.2012 16:47, schrieb

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/02/2012 04:23 PM, Thomas Moschny wrote: Am 2. März 2012 16:56 schrieb Reindl Harald: what are all these maintainers doing? it takes exactly 5 minutes to write a systemd-unit for most services Some packages need a bit more love, especially when the sysv init scripts did more than just sta

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Karel Zak
On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 04:13:44PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > Why do you think it's a bad idea automating a process that is now done > manually? because: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Policy_for_nonresponsive_package_maintainers * After 2 attempts of no contact, the reporter asks

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Thomas Moschny
Am 2. März 2012 16:56 schrieb Reindl Harald : > what are all these maintainers doing? > > it takes exactly 5 minutes to write a systemd-unit for most > services Some packages need a bit more love, especially when the sysv init scripts did more than just starting / stopping a service., e.g. creatin

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/02/2012 03:45 PM, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: You are looking for re-review of packages mentioned many times before. But we have problems to find reviewers for new one, so I don't believe we would find enough people for this. If it's an manual process sure I can understand why it's hard to r

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Karel Zak
On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 01:09:00PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > you are missing the differences between "ignored", "assigend" and "fixed" > where did you see a line that a bug must be fixed in whatever time? > you did not because it is not there > > the point is that if a reporter takes time to f

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/02/2012 03:47 PM, Karel Zak wrote: What's your project boy? .. create a huge collection of dirty words?;-) Sorry not following where you are going with this? IMHO it's bad idea. Why do you think it's a bad idea automating a process that is now done manually? JBG -- devel mailin

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.03.2012 16:47, schrieb Karel Zak: > On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 10:20:10AM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: >> I am a feature owner for a feature that involves components in the hundreds >> and is heavily depended on maintainers responsiveness. >> >> For me to start enacting the non respons

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - > From: "Reindl Harald" > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" > > Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 2:09:00 PM > Subject: Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy > > > > Am 02.03.2012 13:00

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 13:55:11 +, "\"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson\"" wrote: > I'm not a packager already nor can I become one since I dont want to > maintain a single package in the distribution since "it does not > scratch my ich" but I would like to be able to fix things if I do > come across t

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Karel Zak
On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 10:20:10AM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > I am a feature owner for a feature that involves components in the hundreds > and is heavily depended on maintainers responsiveness. > > For me to start enacting the non responsive maintainers policy is a > tremendous work

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
On 03/02/2012 04:27 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 03/02/2012 03:21 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: >> Process looks like this: >> >> * Guidelines updated >> * Someone notices that the package does not follow the guidelines >> (Note that >>this step does not require that the Guidelines were

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.03.2012 13:00, schrieb Matthias Runge: > On 02/03/12 12:52, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: >> >> If a maintainer doesn't respond to a bug repord with the status >> new in a week - give commit rights to the reporter in pkgdb >> so he/she can fix it himself. > I kind a' like this proposal. You'r

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.03.2012 12:47, schrieb Marcela Mašláňová: > Some developers prefer ignore it until they have time. Why should I > write yes, yes, it's broken, I'll look at it next month. That's not > helping anyway. IT DOES HELP it is a hughe difference for a bugreporter if he feels a month ignored or be

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 12:34:10 +, "\"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson\"" wrote: > > One way to achieve that would be that one could do so by becoming > proven packager through some kind of mentoring process ( which does > not exist btw ) I would think. I would think the implied process for someone

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.03.2012 12:02, schrieb Marcela Mašláňová: > Ok, so you'll automatically start non-responsive maintainer process, > because maintainer didn't work on a one bug. But he might be working on > different component for whole month. He might be working on a new > upstream release and not paying at

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 12:16:28 +, "\"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson\"" wrote: > On 03/02/2012 11:52 AM, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: > >So I would make a contra-proposal. > > > >If a maintainer doesn't respond to a bug repord with the status new in a > >week - give commit rights to the reporter in p

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/02/2012 03:21 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: Process looks like this: * Guidelines updated * Someone notices that the package does not follow the guidelines (Note that this step does not require that the Guidelines were updated... the packaging bug could have been missed during review or

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 12:37:40PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 03/02/2012 12:03 PM, Vít Ondruch wrote: > > > >Are the changes enforced? I don't think so ... > > Interesting which begs the question to which purpose do the guideline > serve if no one is actually making sure that it's

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/02/2012 01:34 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: I other words, all is proposal would be doing is to cause bureaucratic churn. Well it only causes bureaucratic churn or otherwise inconvenience for non responding maintainers as in maintainers that do not respond to a report in timely manner + t

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/02/2012 12:12 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: On 03/02/2012 11:02 AM, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: Ok, so you'll automatically start non-responsive maintainer process, because maintainer didn't work on a one bug. But he might be working on different component for whole month. He might be wo

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/02/2012 12:41 PM, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: Nope, if you are a packager already and you have a unit file you want to push in my package just ask me about commit rights via pkgdb and a mail explaining it and I'll definetely approve your request and I'm pretty sure that a number of packag

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - > From: "Aleksandar Kurtakov" > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" > > Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 3:08:26 PM > Subject: Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy > > > > - Original Messa

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - > From: "Vít Ondruch" > To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 2:54:52 PM > Subject: Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy > > Dne 2.3.2012 13:47, Aleksandar Kurtakov napsal(a): > > > >

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 2.3.2012 13:47, Aleksandar Kurtakov napsal(a): - Original Message - From: "Vít Ondruch" To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 2:37:53 PM Subject: Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy Dne 2.3.2012 13:19, Aleksandar Kurtako

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
ybody. You read the "Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy" as "remove the original maintainer" or "punish him" but it might be very well read in opposite way, exactly as you proposed. There is no need for drama. This was meant to be read as " Automat

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - > From: "Vít Ondruch" > To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 2:37:53 PM > Subject: Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy > > Dne 2.3.2012 13:19, Aleksandar Kurtakov napsal(a): > > > >

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Matthias Runge
On 02/03/12 13:37, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: > I really have no idea nor I would have the time to deal with such > thing anytime soon as it will also require development work if > accepted. The current process works fine for me. I just wanted to > show that there are better way than throwing out p

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - > From: "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" > To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 2:34:10 PM > Subject: Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy > > On 03/02/2012 12:27 PM, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: > &

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Matthias Runge
On 02/03/12 13:16, Panu Matilainen wrote: > Not to mention bug reporter not necessarily understanding the full > consequences of a change - change that might look trivial but has > world-breaking effects. > > And FWIW, four week vacations are common in this part of the world... > > - Panu - A

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/02/2012 12:03 PM, Vít Ondruch wrote: Are the changes enforced? I don't think so ... Interesting which begs the question to which purpose do the guideline serve if no one is actually making sure that it's being followed? JBG -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 2.3.2012 13:19, Aleksandar Kurtakov napsal(a): - Original Message - From: "Matthias Runge" To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 2:05:07 PM Subject: Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy On 02/03/12 12:53, Mar

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - > From: "Matthias Runge" > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" > > Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 2:34:11 PM > Subject: Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy > > On 02/03/12 13:24, Aleksandar Kurtako

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/02/2012 12:27 PM, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: Well, Fedora ships packages. I might be stupid but would someone please explain me how can one deliver fixed/improved packages to users without do at least a bit of packaging work. I don't see a way this to happen. Spec files are no rocket sc

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Matthias Runge
On 02/03/12 13:24, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: > Well, the whole idea came in a second so someone should refine it. > FWIW the period should be long enough - in my eyes not less than a > months so if noone responded in like 3 months the fix would no longer > be at least quick. And as always we trust

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - > From: "Aleksandar Kurtakov" > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" > > Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 2:27:04 PM > Subject: Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy > > > > - Original

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Matthias Runge
On 02/03/12 13:06, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: > Yes, I would be afraid that reporters won't be able to fix it > properly. Even if I'm a provenpackager, I don't commit into > packages not related to mine. Yes, I guess, that's a more general problem. But since we have proven packagers, they might jump

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - > From: "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" > To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 2:16:28 PM > Subject: Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy > > On 03/02/2012 11:52 AM, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: > >

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/02/2012 12:21 PM, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: Units again:) Are you trying create some metrics because of units on whole distribution? It simply won't fit to all groups. No I'm only using units or rather the systemd migration process since i'm most familiar with it. ( been doing it for 3 r

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - > From: "Matthias Runge" > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" > > Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 2:15:51 PM > Subject: Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy > > On 02/03/12 13:10, Aleksandar Kurtakov

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
On 03/02/2012 01:13 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 03/02/2012 11:47 AM, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: >> Some developers prefer ignore it until they have time. Why should I >> write yes, yes, it's broken, I'll look at it next month. That's not >> helping anyway. > > I disagree it certainly doe

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - > From: "Matthias Runge" > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" > > Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 2:05:07 PM > Subject: Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy > > On 02/03/12 12:53, Marcela Mašláňová

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/02/2012 11:52 AM, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: So I would make a contra-proposal. If a maintainer doesn't respond to a bug repord with the status new in a week - give commit rights to the reporter in pkgdb so he/she can fix it himself. I really think this is way more fare and people that t

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Panu Matilainen
On 03/02/2012 02:00 PM, Matthias Runge wrote: On 02/03/12 12:52, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: If a maintainer doesn't respond to a bug repord with the status new in a week - give commit rights to the reporter in pkgdb so he/she can fix it himself. I kind a' like this proposal. You're speaking of

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Matthias Runge
On 02/03/12 13:10, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: > What about bug reporter being unable to fix the mentioned bug? Oh no. I'm mean unable to fix because of missing knowledge, not unable because of missing commit rights. I might file a bug against kernel, but I'm definitely not the right person to patc

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/02/2012 11:47 AM, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: Some developers prefer ignore it until they have time. Why should I write yes, yes, it's broken, I'll look at it next month. That's not helping anyway. I disagree it certainly does matter. For example let's take these two [1] [2] bugs that are o

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - > From: "Matthias Runge" > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" > > Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 2:00:32 PM > Subject: Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy > > On 02/03/12 12:52, Aleksandar Kurtako

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 2.3.2012 12:52, Aleksandar Kurtakov napsal(a): - Original Message - From: "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 12:20:10 PM Subject: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy I am a feature owne

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
On 03/02/2012 01:00 PM, Matthias Runge wrote: > On 02/03/12 12:52, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: >> >> If a maintainer doesn't respond to a bug repord with the status >> new in a week - give commit rights to the reporter in pkgdb >> so he/she can fix it himself. > I kind a' like this proposal. You're

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Matthias Runge
On 02/03/12 12:53, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: > I'm afraid we end up with more bureaucracy than we have now. I'm not > against tracking some statistics, so you can look up who is active and > probably will answer in few days, but I'd rather not use it for the > unresponsive process. > > Marcela I'm

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 2.3.2012 12:56, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" napsal(a): On 03/02/2012 11:16 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: Actually I support such initiative. We have also filled a few bugs against Ruby components which needs some love due to Ruby update and it happens that we have no response. If there would be to

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Matthias Runge
On 02/03/12 12:52, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: > > If a maintainer doesn't respond to a bug repord with the status > new in a week - give commit rights to the reporter in pkgdb > so he/she can fix it himself. I kind a' like this proposal. You're speaking of current package maintainers getting comm

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - > From: "Marcela Mašláňová" > To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 1:57:11 PM > Subject: Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy > > On 03/02/2012 12:52 PM, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: > >

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/02/2012 11:16 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: Actually I support such initiative. We have also filled a few bugs against Ruby components which needs some love due to Ruby update and it happens that we have no response. If there would be tool that reports "yes, the maintainer was active in some

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
On 03/02/2012 12:52 PM, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: > > > - Original Message - >> From: "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" >> To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" >> >> Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 12:20:10 PM >> Subject:

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
On 03/02/2012 12:12 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 03/02/2012 11:02 AM, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: >> Ok, so you'll automatically start non-responsive maintainer process, >> because maintainer didn't work on a one bug. But he might be working on >> different component for whole month. He mig

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - > From: "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" > > Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 12:20:10 PM > Subject: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy > > I am a feature owner for

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
On 03/02/2012 12:09 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 02.03.2012 12:02, schrieb Marcela Mašláňová: >> Ok, so you'll automatically start non-responsive maintainer process, >> because maintainer didn't work on a one bug. But he might be working on >> different component for whole month. He might be

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 2.3.2012 12:02, Marcela Mašláňová napsal(a): On 03/02/2012 11:20 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: I am a feature owner for a feature that involves components in the hundreds and is heavily depended on maintainers responsiveness. For me to start enacting the non responsive maintainers poli

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/02/2012 11:02 AM, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: Ok, so you'll automatically start non-responsive maintainer process, because maintainer didn't work on a one bug. But he might be working on different component for whole month. He might be working on a new upstream release and not paying attention

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
On 03/02/2012 11:20 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > I am a feature owner for a feature that involves components in the > hundreds and is heavily depended on maintainers responsiveness. > > For me to start enacting the non responsive maintainers policy is a > tremendous work thus I'm wondering

Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
I am a feature owner for a feature that involves components in the hundreds and is heavily depended on maintainers responsiveness. For me to start enacting the non responsive maintainers policy is a tremendous work thus I'm wondering if there is something preventing us from automating the non