Re: [Base] Fedora Base Design Working Group (2014-02-21) meeting minutes and logs

2014-03-03 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/03/2014 01:53 PM, Chuck Anderson wrote: > On Mon, Mar 03, 2014 at 11:19:29AM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> On Mar 3, 2014, at 10:42 AM, Miloslav Trmač >> wrote: >> >>> 2014-02-22 3:08 GMT+01:00 Chris Murphy >>> : On Feb 21, 2014, at 2:38 P

Re: [Base] Fedora Base Design Working Group (2014-02-21) meeting minutes and logs

2014-03-03 Thread Chuck Anderson
On Mon, Mar 03, 2014 at 11:19:29AM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Mar 3, 2014, at 10:42 AM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > > > 2014-02-22 3:08 GMT+01:00 Chris Murphy : > > On Feb 21, 2014, at 2:38 PM, john.flor...@dart.biz wrote: > > The necessary context to add here is that both OS X and Windows ha

Re: [Base] Fedora Base Design Working Group (2014-02-21) meeting minutes and logs

2014-03-03 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mar 3, 2014, at 10:42 AM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > 2014-02-22 3:08 GMT+01:00 Chris Murphy : > On Feb 21, 2014, at 2:38 PM, john.flor...@dart.biz wrote: > > > That makes a lot of sense, but I'd like to add that when doing custom > > partitioning, you can easily spend the bulk of your actual i

Re: [Base] Fedora Base Design Working Group (2014-02-21) meeting minutes and logs

2014-03-03 Thread Miloslav Trmač
2014-02-22 3:08 GMT+01:00 Chris Murphy : > On Feb 21, 2014, at 2:38 PM, john.flor...@dart.biz wrote: > > > That makes a lot of sense, but I'd like to add that when doing custom > partitioning, you can easily spend the bulk of your actual interaction time > getting the partitioning customized exact

Re: [Base] Fedora Base Design Working Group (2014-02-21) meeting minutes and logs

2014-02-27 Thread Vratislav Podzimek
On Thu, 2014-02-27 at 09:17 +0100, Vratislav Podzimek wrote: > On Wed, 2014-02-26 at 11:46 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Wed, 2014-02-26 at 11:17 +0100, Karel Zak wrote: > > > > > Don't try to be smart to everyone, it does not work. IMHO all you > > > need is to support one or a very few

Re: [Base] Fedora Base Design Working Group (2014-02-21) meeting minutes and logs

2014-02-27 Thread Vratislav Podzimek
On Wed, 2014-02-26 at 11:46 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2014-02-26 at 11:17 +0100, Karel Zak wrote: > > > Don't try to be smart to everyone, it does not work. IMHO all you > > need is to support one or a very few scenarios (complete scenarios > > without customization) and a way ho

Re: [Base] Fedora Base Design Working Group (2014-02-21) meeting minutes and logs

2014-02-26 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2014-02-26 at 11:17 +0100, Karel Zak wrote: > Don't try to be smart to everyone, it does not work. IMHO all you > need is to support one or a very few scenarios (complete scenarios > without customization) and a way how to switch from installer > to manual partitioning by parted/fdisk

Re: [Base] Fedora Base Design Working Group (2014-02-21) meeting minutes and logs

2014-02-26 Thread Karel Zak
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 02:04:54PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 16:38 -0500, john.flor...@dart.biz wrote: > > > > With the best of intentions, we'd gone from a reluctant exception to the > > > 'no choice' design to a dropdown which included two very different > > > complex

Re: [Base] Fedora Base Design Working Group (2014-02-21) meeting minutes and logs

2014-02-24 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - > On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 03:37:40PM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > > > > On Feb 22, 2014, at 9:39 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 19:08:15 -0700, > > > Chris Murphy wrote: > > >> > > >> The idea of what Anaconda can do to create powerfu

Re: [Base] Fedora Base Design Working Group (2014-02-21) meeting minutes and logs

2014-02-24 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - > On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 17:08 +0100, Phil Knirsch wrote: > > > Installer is still a hot topic, but thats nothing we could resolve > > during our meeting and which might have to be brought up with FESCO again. > > So, as cmurf has been trying to point out on desktop@ ,

Re: [Base] Fedora Base Design Working Group (2014-02-21) meeting minutes and logs

2014-02-24 Thread David Cantrell
On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 03:37:40PM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Feb 22, 2014, at 9:39 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > > On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 19:08:15 -0700, > > Chris Murphy wrote: > >> > >> The idea of what Anaconda can do to create powerful storage stacks with > >> open source softw

Re: [Base] Fedora Base Design Working Group (2014-02-21) meeting minutes and logs

2014-02-24 Thread John . Florian
> From: li...@colorremedies.com > To: Bruno Wolff III > Date: 02/22/2014 17:38 > Subject: Re: [Base] Fedora Base Design Working Group (2014-02-21) > meeting minutes and logs > Sent by: devel-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org > > > On Feb 22, 2014, at 9:39 AM, Bruno

Re: [Base] Fedora Base Design Working Group (2014-02-21) meeting minutes and logs

2014-02-24 Thread John . Florian
> From: awill...@redhat.com > Date: 02/21/2014 17:05 > Subject: Re: [Base] Fedora Base Design Working Group (2014-02-21) > meeting minutes and logs > Sent by: devel-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org > > On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 16:38 -0500, john.flor...@dart.biz wrote: >

Re: [Base] Fedora Base Design Working Group (2014-02-21) meeting minutes and logs

2014-02-23 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 12:20:14PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > product WGs (except possibly Cloud, depending on whether they intend to > use anaconda in their deliverables at all), base WG, and fesco - The Cloud plan is to generate images using anaconda. For that case, we don't care about the

Re: [Base] Fedora Base Design Working Group (2014-02-21) meeting minutes and logs

2014-02-22 Thread Chris Murphy
On Feb 21, 2014, at 1:20 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > It would probably be a Very > Good Idea to get everyone with an interest - at least anaconda team, the > product WGs (except possibly Cloud, depending on whether they intend to > use anaconda in their deliverables at all), base WG, and fesco

Re: [Base] Fedora Base Design Working Group (2014-02-21) meeting minutes and logs

2014-02-22 Thread Chris Murphy
On Feb 22, 2014, at 9:39 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 19:08:15 -0700, > Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> The idea of what Anaconda can do to create powerful storage stacks with open >> source software has significant merit. But it's in the wrong place. It's an >> anchor on

Re: [Base] Fedora Base Design Working Group (2014-02-21) meeting minutes and logs

2014-02-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 19:08:15 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: The idea of what Anaconda can do to create powerful storage stacks with open source software has significant merit. But it's in the wrong place. It's an anchor on the installer, and can only be leveraged during an install of RHEL,

Re: [Base] Fedora Base Design Working Group (2014-02-21) meeting minutes and logs

2014-02-21 Thread Chris Murphy
On Feb 21, 2014, at 2:38 PM, john.flor...@dart.biz wrote: > That makes a lot of sense, but I'd like to add that when doing custom > partitioning, you can easily spend the bulk of your actual interaction time > getting the partitioning customized exactly the way you want and when > anaconda cra

Re: [Base] Fedora Base Design Working Group (2014-02-21) meeting minutes and logs

2014-02-21 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 16:38 -0500, john.flor...@dart.biz wrote: > > With the best of intentions, we'd gone from a reluctant exception to the > > 'no choice' design to a dropdown which included two very different > > complex choices: LVM and btrfs. So now the installer path which was > > originally

Re: [Base] Fedora Base Design Working Group (2014-02-21) meeting minutes and logs

2014-02-21 Thread John . Florian
> From: awill...@redhat.com > Date: 02/21/2014 15:20 > Historically, QA and anaconda more or less agreed on an approach whereby > the 'guided' partitioning path would be expected to work extremely > reliably: QA would undertake to test every (well, nearly every) route > through that path regularly

Re: [Base] Fedora Base Design Working Group (2014-02-21) meeting minutes and logs

2014-02-21 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 17:08 +0100, Phil Knirsch wrote: > Installer is still a hot topic, but thats nothing we could resolve > during our meeting and which might have to be brought up with FESCO again. So, as cmurf has been trying to point out on desktop@ , we (QA) have some concerns in this area

[Base] Fedora Base Design Working Group (2014-02-21) meeting minutes and logs

2014-02-21 Thread Phil Knirsch
Main meeting agenda for today was a discussion about the Workstation Tech Spec and any implications, changes or actions it would require from Base. Matthias Clasen from the Workstaing WG joined us today and every a long discussion and review specifically around the Core Services and Features