Re: F38 proposal: Add Fedora Auto Firstboot Services to desktop variants (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-12-15 Thread Michael Catanzaro via devel
> On 15/12/2022 13:34, Neal Gompa wrote: > > It should be fixed then. Please report this issue to dnf component. Using weak deps was our original plan, but problem is it broke due to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ExcludeFromWeakAutodetect and we surely do not want to revert that. Also,

Re: F38 proposal: Add Fedora Auto Firstboot Services to desktop variants (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-12-14 Thread Michael Catanzaro via devel
> On Thu, 2022-12-15 at 00:11 +0000, Michael Catanzaro via devel wrote: > > Well, except that we ship Firefox in the default OS image and to make > that play video, overlaying openh264 is *exactly* what's needed. Ah, drat... well there's not a lot of great options, then. We

Re: F38 proposal: Add Fedora Auto Firstboot Services to desktop variants (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-12-14 Thread Michael Catanzaro via devel
> One solution to reduce the time taken by client side layering and those > issues mentioned > above is to move the package overrides back to the server side by using a > layering > approach similar to the one used to build containers. This is the goal of > this change: > https://fedoraproject.o

Re: F38 proposal: Add _FORTIFY_SOURCE=3 to distribution build flags (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-12-13 Thread Michael Catanzaro via devel
> Anyway, the effort that > went into that change proposal has established new expectations for any > change that will > impact system performance: the new flags should be benchmarked in an > environment where all > Fedora packages have been rebuilt with the new flags, so we can critique the > c

Re: F38 proposal: Add _FORTIFY_SOURCE=3 to distribution build flags (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-12-06 Thread Michael Catanzaro via devel
No. He probably doesn't even know about this proposal yet, since it was just published yesterday. This is not the sort of thing that matters for desktop performance, where we care about orders of magnitude rather than a few percent improvement here or there. Even if extra bounds checking makes c

Re: F38 proposal: Add _FORTIFY_SOURCE=3 to distribution build flags (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-12-06 Thread Michael Catanzaro via devel
Red Hat's desktop performance engineer has repeatedly rejected use of DWARF as impractical and outlandish, including on this mailing list [1] and most recently at [2]. [1] https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/UV65DSMPINEE6KWNI5MBH3MBQ26JHNNJ/ [2]