Re: YAST for Fedora?

As someone who came to Fedora from openSUSE, yeah, Adam, YaST is definitely a bad approach. It was great for things I did *once* when I set up a box, but for the stuff I did regularly - install / uninstall packages, build stuff from source, etc. - the command line tools beat the crap out of GUIs.

Re: Firefox 52.0.1: CVE-2017-5428

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 4:09 AM Jiri Eischmann wrote: > I'd like to point out that the last build was done on Sept 20. Yes, 7 > months ago. So it has probably its own fair share of unfixed CVEs and > thus it should really not be recommended to use. > > If you'd like to have the latest Firefox imm

Re: Firefox 52 Electrolysis

I found it - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1398717 ... I posted a comment already that it exists with Firefox 52 / Fedora 25. On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 3:19 PM Bojan Smojver wrote: > > Have you checked Red Hat Bugzilla? > > Yes. Nothing in there that I can find about this. > > -- > Bo

Re: Firefox 52 Electrolysis

Yup - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1398717 On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 3:10 PM M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: > Ah ... I just updated and now I have 52. And no e10s, same as you. Have > you checked Red Hat Bugzilla? It may be a bug already filed. Meanwhile, I > don'

Re: Firefox 52 Electrolysis

Ah ... I just updated and now I have 52. And no e10s, same as you. Have you checked Red Hat Bugzilla? It may be a bug already filed. Meanwhile, I don't see anything suspicious in about:config when I search for 'e10s'. On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 3:01 PM Bojan Smojver wrote: > > Are you using Fedora's

Re: Firefox 52 Electrolysis

Are you using Fedora's Firefox or straight from Mozilla? Right now I'm showing Fedora's Firefox is 51. That said, I've had numerous performance issues with e10s in the Mozilla Firefox nightly and developer editions and I usually end up filing a bug at Mozilla and disabling it. On Thu, Mar 9, 2017

Re: rawhide users: Do this now if you want to stick with F26 and not F27

Thanks! I'm going to clone my Rawhide VM and make an F26 with it. On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 8:46 PM Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2017-03-03 at 20:30 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Sat, 2017-03-04 at 04:23 +0000, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: > > > On Fri, Mar 3

Re: rawhide users: Do this now if you want to stick with F26 and not F27

On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 7:01 AM Kalev Lember wrote: > Now that F26 is branched off from rawhide, I know many developers > (including me) want to stay with F26 instead of F27 to make sure we are > testing the upcoming release. By default, everyone who has rawhide > installed stays on the F27 train.

Re: F27 System Wide Change: No More Alphas

On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 4:14 PM M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: > I'm glad someone brought up Tumbleweed because every so often I build a VM > of Tumbleweed, a VM of Rawhide and a VM of Debian "sid" just to see if I > could use any of them as a workstation day-to-day. What

Re: F27 System Wide Change: No More Alphas

On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 6:36 PM M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: > It's been a while since I went through the exercise. For a while the > Workstation Live media wasn't building and the GNOME desktop wasn't > installing from the netinstall because LibreOffice wasn't w

Re: F27 System Wide Change: No More Alphas

On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 4:50 PM Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 00:14:56 + > "M. Edward (Ed) Borasky" wrote: > ...snip... > > > > > Rawhide as it currently exists can't stay solid enough for me even > > with just the few piece

Re: F27 System Wide Change: No More Alphas

On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 4:11 PM Kevin Fenzi wrote: > Anyhow, I am in favor of the proposal. > Yes, so am I, at least until Atomic Workstation has a full GNOME desktop, Firefox and Virtual Machine Manager ;-). -- How many people can stand on the shoulders of a giant before the giant collapses?

Re: F27 System Wide Change: No More Alphas

On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 3:26 PM Neal Gompa wrote: > I also wonder if we're thinking about this problem all wrong. What if > the answer isn't to increase the friction in Rawhide, but instead to > create a regular output stream that people can use to be above > releases? That's more or less how Tum

Re: Please provide "Minimal CD" of Fedora

On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 11:15 AM William Moreno wrote: > Just my 2 cents > > A minimal fedora iso with @base and @core packages can the tool for a > advanced user to build it own fedora experience on top a minimal install. > > If I want just lightdm and i3, openbox, awesome etc a minimal installa

Re: Proposal: Rethink Fedora multilib support (Take Two!)

On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 3:16 PM Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > Partly because there exist more than 2 architectures (think: > RV64G/RV64GC/RV128G, ARMv5/6/7/8, or less esoterically, having various > CPU features like SSE or AVX compiled in and out). Partly because > there will be fewer differences b

Re: Fedora Linux subsystem on Windows machine

Nice!! On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:47 AM Vít Ondruch wrote: > > > Dne 6.1.2017 v 10:03 Martin Bříza napsal(a): > > On Fri, 06 Jan 2017 10:01:01 +0100, Vít Ondruch > > wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> Dne 5.1.2017 v 20:11 M. Edward (Ed) Borasky na

Re: Proposal: Rethink Fedora multilib support

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 10:50 AM Daniel J Walsh wrote: > Well we will be retired at that point, and playing shuffle board. > Well, I'm retired *now* and I'm still a Fedora end-user. ;-) But seriously ... aren't there plenty of distros that support older 32-bit hardware ... enough so that Fedor

Re: F23 Self Contained Change: Astronomy Spin

Seems like the easiest path would be to make sure all the astronomy packages land on the Science / KDE spin that already exists and do a lot of marketing / blogging / etc. to a targeted group of "citizen astronomers". For that matter, maybe their should be a rebranding of the spin as "Fedora for Ci

Re: Btrfs as default filesystem for Fedora 23?

On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Neal Gompa wrote: > Certainly, but with none of the features in Btrfs actually emitting scary > "experimental" warnings anymore, and even all features working in btrfs RAID > 5/6 now, I think we should really start pushing it to more people. Or at > least develop

Re: GCC 5 compatibility problems: GCC 4.10?

This looks like a programming error that previous versions of GCC didn't catch and GCC 5.1.1 does catch, not a GCC bug: On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 12:14 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: > Should I file this in Bugzilla? The log file is huge and I'm guessing > there's just

Re: GCC 5 compatibility problems: GCC 4.10?

Should I file this in Bugzilla? The log file is huge and I'm guessing there's just some default language setting that's changed between 4.9 and 5.1.1. On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 4:57 AM, Rex Dieter wrote: > M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: > >> It's not in Fedora -

Re: GCC 5 compatibility problems: GCC 4.10?

It's not in Fedora - RStudio Server. It's not in any distro; they package it themselves for Debian/Ubuntu, openSUSE and RHEL/CentOS. If you want it on Fedora you have to build it from source. On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 8:33 PM, Rex Dieter wrote: > M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:

Re: GCC 5 compatibility problems: GCC 4.10?

Yes, I'm currently blocked with a major package that compiles on GCC 4.9.1 but collapses in the link step on GCC 5.1.1. I've notified the upstream and they're either fix it or tell me to abandon hope of running on Fedora. ;-) On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 9:10 AM, Paolo Bonzini wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm

Re: Moving Docker image under Cloud edition?

I left off two pieces 6. Fedora Docker Hub images, and 7. CentOS Docker Hub images, which are vastly more popular than the Fedora ones. On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 11:49 AM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: > Agreed - it's too late to change anything for F22. But moving forward, > I thin

Re: Moving Docker image under Cloud edition?

Agreed - it's too late to change anything for F22. But moving forward, I think there's a discussion that needs to happen about the inter-relationships of the various projects associated with "Cloud": 1. OpenShift Origin 2. RHEL Atomic 3. Fedora Atomic 4. CentOS Atomic 5. fedora-dockerfiles and th

Re: How to build one TeXLive subpackage for EPEL-7?

On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 12:30 AM, Matěj Cepl wrote: > On 2015-04-08, 01:06 GMT, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: >> Just package it separately. They should all have proper upstream >> tarballs, and there's no reason not to just make individual packages if >> that's what you need. And, hey, while you'r

Re: Why does disk I/O slow down a CPU bound task?

On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 2:43 PM, drago01 wrote: > > https://lwn.net/Articles/572911/ > https://lwn.net/Articles/467328/ Yeah, I vaguely remember that discussion. I went down this rabbit hole in mid-2008, wrote a couple of papers and moved on with my life. There's no software solution - get faster

Re: Why does disk I/O slow down a CPU bound task?

On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 12:58 PM, Dave Johansen wrote: > I noticed on RHEL 6 that when a large amount of disk I/O is happening that > CPU bound tasks "slow down". I have been able to reproduce it in Fedora 21 > as well and here are the instructions of how I can reproduce it with a > simple test: >

Re: A proposal for Fedora updates

On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Bojan Smojver wrote: > Maybe I'm misunderstanding how things work, but I think every package in > updates-testing is signed by a human, on an "offline" machine (i.e. someone > has to walk the RPM to it using physical media, sign it and then bring it > back and uplo

Re: A proposal for Fedora updates

On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Bojan Smojver wrote: > Kevin Fenzi scrye.com> writes: > >> If you wish to test something before it's fully pushed to testing, you >> can download it directly from the buildsystem via the web interface, >> koji command line or bodhi client command line. > > I am fu

Re: service accepting commands from the network by default

Yes, I would think: a) all services should be disabled and their ports closed by default, and b) the documentation should describe how to enable the service and open the ports On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 6:04 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > Are Fedora packages allowed to have a default conf

Re: yum or dnf in the Fedora 22 Docker base image?

17.2.2015 12:33, Daniel J Walsh wrote: >> >> Not that I know of. >> On 02/16/2015 09:50 AM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: >>> >>> Thanks! Are there tracking bugs in Bugzilla I can subscribe to? > > I don't think there are any - feel free to file it. >>

Re: yum or dnf in the Fedora 22 Docker base image?

Thanks! Are there tracking bugs in Bugzilla I can subscribe to? On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 9:42 AM, Daniel J Walsh wrote: > > On 02/16/2015 12:31 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: >> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 5:19 AM, Daniel J Walsh wrote: >> >>> I think the F22 and Rawhi

Re: yum or dnf in the Fedora 22 Docker base image?

On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 5:19 AM, Daniel J Walsh wrote: > I think the F22 and Rawhide (Is it F23 at this point), should both use dnf > not yum. We need to get more testing on dnf in containers. I'm ready to start testing F22 containers either way and would prefer dnf. What's the best process to

yum or dnf in the Fedora 22 Docker base image?

Right now, the fedora:rawhide image on Docker Hub uses yum instead of dnf, as does the Fedora 21 release. Is there any plan to switch this release over to dnf? I'm in the process of refactoring my remix - big pieces of it are going into Docker images. I'm wondering if it's worth porting the main w

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 22 Branched 20150214 nightly compose nominated for testing

On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > Do note my follow-up email about this compose being DOA, though. Dang! Any ETA for a live one? I have a gcc "bug" I want to troubleshoot. I've got a huge compile that works with F21 but died painfully with Rawhide a few days back. -- O

Re: Mass Fortran rebuilds due to new GCC?

I need FORTRAN for R and R packages - if it's not 100% for the R ecosystme I'd consider any bugs to be at least blockers for beta, if not alpha. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Björn Esser wrote: > Am Freitag, den 13.02.2015, 13:53 -0700 schrieb Kevin Fenzi: >> On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 12:47:07 -080

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 22 Rawhide 20150207 nightly compose nominated for testing

Thanks!! I'll fire up a VM as soon as my Rawhide Workstation VM finishes its so-far-perfect test run. On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 10:25 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Sat, 2015-02-07 at 18:49 -0800, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: >> Any Cloud images, especially Project Atomic hosting a

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 22 Rawhide 20150207 nightly compose nominated for testing

Any Cloud images, especially Project Atomic hosting and Docker base? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: Plan of Record for Fedora 22 Network Install Media

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 12:53 AM, Kamil Paral wrote: > I have missed that discussion, so if it has been decided already, I'm late. > But my feeling is that we're going to shoot ourselves in the foot with this. > Our QA test matrices will explode once again, and we will be offering too > many i

Re: Plan of Record for Fedora 22 Network Install Media

On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 2:24 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > (Cross-posted to the WG mailing lists; please reply only to devel@) > > == Overview == > > Today in #anaconda, we had a discussion of the plans for network install > media for Fedora 22. We acknowledged that the network install (and more

Re: no error handling in Yum any more?

I've seen this before - it's probably some network glitch. I fixed it by killing the yum job, rebooting, running 'yum clean all' and running a speed test before restarting the yum job. On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Felix Miata wrote: > I started a yum upgrade process. When it reached 342/784 (

Re: chromium

On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 5:51 PM, Gerald B. Cox wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 8:33 AM, john.tiger > wrote: >> >> Also as developers, we need to work with all browsers. You need to work with all *popular* browsers. That's IE, Chrome stable, Firefox stable and iOS Safari, perhaps Opera. Look at

Re: docker 1.4.0 available, fixes multiple CVEs - testing/karma needed

Working here on F21 - karma logged! On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 7:57 AM, Lokesh Mandvekar wrote: > I've updated docker to 1.4.0 for fedora and fedora epel. This release fixes: > CVE-2014-9357: https://access.redhat.com/security/cve/CVE-2014-9357 > CVE-2014-9358: https://access.redhat.com/security/cve

Re: "Workstation" Product defaults to wide-open firewall

Is there an upvote mechanism for that? I'd like to join the chorus if I can. ;-) On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 7:06 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Kevin Kofler wrote: >> I just happened to look at the firewalld default settings, and I was not >> amused when I noticed this: >> http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/c

Re: Poll: How users use DNF

I have yet to port my scripts (https://bitbucket.org/znmeb/osjourno) from 'yum' to 'dnf'. I'm not sure I am going to unless the live ISO creation tools also switch. But I have tried both 'dnf' and 'yum' manually during the F21 alpha and beta test phases. I think there were cases where 'yum' said th

Re: "Workstation" Product defaults to wide-open firewall

On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 6:37 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > What we want this discussion to lead to is: > 1. the decision to get fixed in a security update, like the PolicyKit > policy >for PackageKit in F12 (which was also deliberate, but broken) was, and > Agreed - is Workstation the only Fedora-

Re: "Workstation" Product defaults to wide-open firewall

+1 - I've added 'firewall-config' to my remix and changed the default zone to 'public'. I'm not sure what the impact would be of closing off dhcpv6-client and mdns is so I left those open. I left ssh open because the service is disabled by default. On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 4:35 PM, Kevin Kofler wro

Re: "Workstation" Product defaults to wide-open firewall

This would be a good topic for the retrospective, I think. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_21_Retrospective#Could_have_been_better ;-) In my specific case, 'firewall-cmd --set-default-zone=public' in my kickstart file makes this issue go away. On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Alec Leamas w

Re: "Workstation" Product defaults to wide-open firewall

As one who maintains a remix for journalists, I expect the default for a workstation should be that you mus* explicitly know what you are doing to open a port, and enable or start a service - the default release should have a minimum attack surface by design. As a result of this discussion I plan t

Re: "Tick-tock" release cadence?

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:25 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > And unfortunately, a new PostgreSQL IS incompatible, because if you just run > "yum update", your databases will cease to work. You have to actually dump > them BEFORE doing the upgrade (or downgrade PostgreSQL for the dump, or > install the o

Re: "Tick-tock" release cadence?

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:02 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > And for once I think the KDE SIG and the GNOME Desktop Team will agree on > something. :-) Other than the fact that LXDE doesn't use enough RAM? ;-) -- Twitter: http://twitter.com/znmeb; OSJourno: Robust Power Tools for Digital Journalists

Re: "Tick-tock" release cadence?

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 6:58 PM, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: > On 12/05/2014 01:32 AM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: >> As a user/re-mixer, I don't like it. I'm at the point now where I need >> a rolling release. I can live with a six-month or eight-month lag >>

Re: "Tick-tock" release cadence?

As a user/re-mixer, I don't like it. I'm at the point now where I need a rolling release. I can live with a six-month or eight-month lag between desktop updates, but I can't live without regular updates to R and R packages, PostgreSQL/PostGIS, QGIS, the Python data science tools, etc. And I'm runni

Re: PVM: Retire or not to retire?

PVM in particular and high-performance computing in general are severely broken in most Linux distros and applications. First of all, there's licensing - the GPU folk, especially NVidia, aren't willing to back down as long as their intellectual property strategies are making them rich. For example,

Re: PackageKit refresh(?) is wiping out local repositories and changing owner to root

P.S.: I think it's caching the RPMs somewhere in /var - I can go look if it matters. On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 6:40 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: > Yes! I have the exact same problem or a very similar one. My local repo is > already maintained by 'root' It's on &#

Re: PackageKit refresh(?) is wiping out local repositories and changing owner to root

Yes! I have the exact same problem or a very similar one. My local repo is already maintained by 'root' It's on '/opt/LocalYumRepo' and when the "magic" happens, it gets copied to '/opt/LocalYumRepo.tmp'. but the RPMs in *both* directories are deleted! I don't know, however, if this is new to Fedo

Re: Fedora 21 Final blocker bug status report #1

Got it - karma given ;-) On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 12:26 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: > downloading now > > On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 4:52 AM, Patrick Laimbock > wrote: > >> On 22-11-14 07:25, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: >> >>> I'll voluntee

Re: Fedora 21 Final blocker bug status report #1

downloading now On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 4:52 AM, Patrick Laimbock wrote: > On 22-11-14 07:25, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: > >> I'll volunteer to test >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1146232 "f21 workstation >> ships 'default' net

Re: Fedora 21 Final blocker bug status report #1

I'll volunteer to test https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1146232 "f21 workstation ships 'default' network, so loses connectivity when run in a VM" - libvirt / gnome-boxes - when do we expect TC3? On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 9:15 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > Hi folks! We're now into the Fed

Re: Fedora scientific packaging

I think the Fedora policy requires more of a commitment from maintainers than I can offer. In any event, I know RStudio Server can be built from source on Fedora and that it works but it needs a lot of detailed attention to turn it into something that will make it into a release. It has a few depen

Re: Fedora scientific packaging

The two I want most are RStudio (desktop and server) and R Commander. RStudio does exist in RPM form but the packages are made via 'cmake' rather than by Fedora's process, and the server's using the old school /etc/init.d rather than systemd. R Commander's much easier - you just have to package it'

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

I'm killfiling this thread and I'm inches away from leaving the mailing list. Can we move on? On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 16:22:54 -0600, > Michael Catanzaro wrote: > >> >> Is there a bug report about this? Could you point me to it if so? i

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Gerald B. Cox wrote: > I went back and reviewed Fedora Forbidden Items > and > saw nothing that applied to the situation with Firefox. While I agree with > the statement: "The concerns raised ar

Re: Decision on Fedora Product branding: Fedora $PRODUCT 21 vs Fedora 21 $PRODUCT

Fedora 21 Workstation Fedora 21 Server Fedora 21 Cloud That makes it easy for us remixers - CompJournoStick 21 Workstation, for example. On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Simo Sorce wrote: > On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 08:28:16 -0400 > Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > > Hello folks, > > > > I raised a q

Re: btrfs as default filesystem for F22?

I'm happy with ext4. Just out of curiosity, though, how is XFS working out on RHEL 7? On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 6:43 PM, Ian Kent wrote: > On Fri, 2014-10-03 at 13:18 +0200, Juan Orti Alcaine wrote: > > El 2014-10-03 11:38, Steven Whitehouse escribió: > > > Hi, > > > I should also add (just in case

Re: (Rawhide users) Fedora 22 branching: What You Need To Know

I'm ready to start my application testing on a Fedora 21 virtual machine. What's the quickest way for me to get one built? Is there a 'net install' ISO file somewhere I can use? On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 11:38 AM, poma wrote: > On 10.07.2014 18:31, Stephen Gallagher wrote: >> >> -BEGIN PGP SIGN

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: [snip] > Look, please, by all means, calmly discuss the merits of the decision. > Just don't bring into question the motivations of its introduction > unless you have a damn strong factual basis for doing so. I maintain an open source proj

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

I didn't notice this the last time I did an install. But yes, it's a *problem* if it does that. I'll upvote or whatever if someone re-opens; I do so many installs in coffee shops that I would flat out not use a distro that did this! On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 8:28 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Fr

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

I usually install either from the default desktop Live media or the network install, depending on what I'm doing. The advantages to the net install are 1. The image fits on damn near anything. I think it's too big for one of those 220 MB mini-CDs now but a 512 MB USB stick or a regular CD is fine.

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

Is there actual data from what people 'yum install' we could use to make decisions? I suspect most people install from the desktop default media and then just add the stuff they want. If we know what that "stuff they want" is, that's what should be on the DVD. On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Bil

Re: Idea: "{Gnome,KDE,Xfce,...} Minimal Desktop" groups

My "minimal desktop" is OpenBox with fbpanel and lightdm. I'm guessing there are others; openSUSE has a minimal desktop using a stripped IceWM. I've lived comfortably with WindowMaker and even twm. The key to minimizing a desktop IMHO is getting a lighter browser. It's really hard to use a machine

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 19 Graphics Test Week starts tomorrow (2013-04-23)!

updating a bunch of other software; once that's done I'll install KDE and see if I can get a crash. On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 7:28 AM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote: > On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 09:30:15PM -0700, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: >> Count me in for Nouveau - I have a problem I&#

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 19 Graphics Test Week starts tomorrow (2013-04-23)!

Count me in for Nouveau - I have a problem I've been trying to nail down for months on my ancient GeForce 6150SE nForce 430. Symptoms (Fedora 18) none with 3.6 kernel. With 3.7 or later, GNOME desktop comes up but as soon as I launch Firefox, I get diagonal lines across the screen and I need to pow

Re: How do *you* use Fedora?

My use cases fall into two broad categories - algorithmic music composition and computational journalism. The former is almost exactly the Fedora Jam audio spin, augmented by packages from Planet CCRMA. The latter is a mix of Design Suite and Science and Engineering spins and other packages, and ca

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 11:19 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > When talking to Ubuntu users, they are telling Unity is as biasing as > Gnome3. Aside from the visual arrangement of things, I haven't seen *major* differences between the GNOME 3 and the Unity user interfaces. It's not all that hard for m

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Ian Malone wrote: > Gnome 3 is designed for a touch interface. The majority of touch > interfaces are mobile phones. Touch interfaces on computers are a > minority. Gnome 3 is a poor mobile phone interface, but that doesn't > mean it's a good laptop or desktop one

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Peter Jones wrote: > On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 04:25:05AM -0800, Dan Mashal wrote: >> I'm sure QA, releng, docs, etc will go with what the community decides. >> >> Lets have a poll. A very public one. >> >> On the main website. Not somebody's blog. And let's let the

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

I love GNOME 3 and detest KDE 4. I've tried MATE and Cinnamon on both Linux Mint and Fedora and don't really see the point of either of them as long as GNOME 3 offers fallback mode. When you come right down to it, nearly all Linux desktops can be easily customized to provide a Windows-like workflo

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Marc Deop Argemí wrote: > On Wednesday 16 January 2013 12:18:19 Richard W.M. Jones wrote: >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=689127 >> (performance problem with virtual machines) > > I must add that, in my experience, the performance is *bad* not only i

Re: [Test-Announce] Last Minute Testing for Fedora 18 RC4

On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 5:44 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2013-01-09 at 20:32 -0800, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: >> Downloading the Live media 64 bit now ... will try an install once >> it's pushed to a USB stick. I can also run anything in a VMware 9, >> Vir

Re: [Test-Announce] Last Minute Testing for Fedora 18 RC4

On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 8:32 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: > Downloading the Live media 64 bit now ... will try an install once > it's pushed to a USB stick. I can also run anything in a VMware 9, > VirtualBox 4.2.6, F18 Virtual Machine Manager or Windows 8 Pro Client >

Re: Fedora 18 status / F18-RC4 Xen tests

On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: > On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 08:36:59PM +0200, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: >> On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 10:39:53PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: >> > >> > QA:Testcase_Boot_Methods_Xen_Para_Virt - we need someone who's set up >> > for Xen to test this, i

Re: [Test-Announce] Last Minute Testing for Fedora 18 RC4

Downloading the Live media 64 bit now ... will try an install once it's pushed to a USB stick. I can also run anything in a VMware 9, VirtualBox 4.2.6, F18 Virtual Machine Manager or Windows 8 Pro Client Hyper-V guest. Is Windows 8 Pro Client Hyper-V hosting supported? On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 2:07

Re: Enlightenment for Fedora

On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 11:41 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 10:47 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky > wrote: >> >> This is E17, right? E16 is already there, isn't it? > > > Yes. From a packaging stand point, they don't have anyth

Re: Enlightenment for Fedora

This is E17, right? E16 is already there, isn't it? On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 6:49 AM, Edward Mann wrote: > On 02.01.2013 08:12, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Hi > > Forgot to add > > Elementary https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=891282 > Efreet https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.c

Re: Ruby 2.0 in F19

On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 4:47 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: > Hi everybody, > > According to Ruby 2.0 release schedule: > > - code freeze: 23 Dec. > - 2.0.0-rc1 release: 1W Jan. (expected) > - 2.0.0-rc2 release: 1W Feb. (expected) > - 2.0.0-p0 release: 24 Feb. > > the official release date is quic

Re: [rawhide] (was Re: Where are we going? (Not a rant))

On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 6:21 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: > On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Michael Scherer wrote: >> Le dimanche 09 décembre 2012 à 15:18 -0800, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky a >> écrit : >> >>> There's no way I can run my laptop on Rawhide - it&#

Re: [rawhide] (was Re: Where are we going? (Not a rant))

On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Michael Scherer wrote: > Le dimanche 09 décembre 2012 à 15:18 -0800, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky a > écrit : > >> There's no way I can run my laptop on Rawhide - it's dual-booted with >> Windows 8 Pro and Fedora 18. But I do have an ancien

Re: [rawhide] (was Re: Where are we going? (Not a rant))

On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Sat, 08 Dec 2012 17:31:54 +0100 > Michael Scherer wrote: > Just to highlight this... I intend to switch my laptop to rawhide and > run it and try and gather a like minded group of people to fix things > as they break faster and work on mak

Re: Where are we going? (Not a rant)

On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Dan Mashal wrote: > MATE IS growing. And MATE developers are starting to contribute to Gnome. :) > > Dan So is Cinnamon. So is XMonad. So is Unity, for that matter. What *doesn't* seem to be growing is LXDE, and I'm not sure about XFCE, Enlightenment and WindowMak

Re: Where are we going? (Not a rant)

On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 12:21 AM, Jukka Ruohonen wrote: > Quite easy. Ubuntu LTS succeeds where Fedora (and normal Ubuntu) fails. > Moreover, extending the support cycle to five years was a brilliant move > from Ubuntu. Red Hat and its derivatives do not really compete in the same > field. > > I t

Re: Where are we going? (Not a rant)

On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Arun SAG wrote: > > > On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 5:32 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" > wrote: >> >> >> >If we want to solve this we need to release an Fedora LTS release for our >> > and the potential other user >base that don't have to/want to update every >> > 6 >> > o

Re: LuaJIT - an alternative for current Python C bindings (was: Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature)

How much Python code are you proposing "someone" ports to Lua? ;-) On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Alek Paunov wrote: > On 12.11.2012 21:34, Steve Grubb wrote: >> >> >> But the problem I see is a lot of libraries are wrapped by swig, which >> leaks >> memory like a sieve. If swig didn't generat

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2012-11-14 at 16:27 -0800, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: >> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 9:59 PM, Ian Pilcher wrote: >> > On 11/13/2012 06:55 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: >> >> It might be worth re-evaluatin

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Thu, 15.11.12 00:56, Lennart Poettering (mzerq...@0pointer.de) wrote: > >> I think a good way to approach this is by looking for the interesting >> usecases for a minimal installation: >> >> A) Containers >> B) VMs >> C) Bare-Metal Se

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

Time synchronization inside virtual machines is a. Hypervisor-dependent. See the docs for VirtualBox, VMware, Xen and kvm and read the fine print. I don't even know if there *is* documentation for EC2. b. Poorly documented and difficult to test. If you don't *need* anything better than NTP / one s

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 9:59 PM, Ian Pilcher wrote: > On 11/13/2012 06:55 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: >> It might be worth re-evaluating whether that's realistic any more, >> though, and whether we're _really_ committed to finally replacing >> network with NM in some kind of reasonable timeframe. >

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

I can tell you what openSUSE / SUSE Studio does. The smallest appliance you can build is JEOS (Just Enough Operating System). That has kernel, grub, openssh, bash, small vim and zypper, which is the openSUSE equivalent of yum. It does not have man pages; they're stripped out. Next up is something

Re: Fedora Minimal Core SIG -- please join if you're interested

On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > So, here's a proposal for a semi-informal group linking different > stakeholders interested in curating the @core package selection: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Minimal_Core > > Please comment and join if you're interested. This

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