Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-15 Thread Jonathan Masters
On Jul 15, 2013, at 5:11, Miroslav Suchý wrote: > On 07/15/2013 10:44 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: >> = Proposed System Wide Change: No Default Syslog = >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoDefaultSyslog >> >> Change owner(s): Lennart Poettering , Matthew >> Miller >> >> No longer install

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

2013-07-12 Thread Jonathan Masters
my iPad On Jul 12, 2013, at 5:36, Jonathan Masters wrote: > Note that there are teams within Linaro doing benchmarking and driving such. > And once the specific stack protector issue was raised, I poked Marcus in > person and he escalated it such that it will be looked at

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

2013-07-11 Thread Jonathan Masters
On Jul 12, 2013, at 5:32, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 11:58:08PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: >> On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 11:50:24PM -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Or does it mean x86 as PA is out of line? There are a lot more people with ARM devices than x86. Sorry

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

2013-07-11 Thread Jonathan Masters
Note that there are teams within Linaro doing benchmarking and driving such. And once the specific stack protector issue was raised, I poked Marcus in person and he escalated it such that it will be looked at this next engineering cycle. In general we can plan ahead if we know there are issues.

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

2013-07-11 Thread Jonathan Masters
And following the legitimate concerns about stack-protector this was raised by ARM into core Linaro as an urgent action for which engineering resource is being assigned to correct this deficiency ASAP. Thus within a day an issue has been noted that we were unaware of and is being worked through

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

2013-07-10 Thread Jonathan Masters
Thanks Brendan. My Fedora doesn't even use a GNOME desktop. I've happily used XFCE for years. And I make no secret that I care about servers more than desktops (you know, that part of the market where general purpose Linux has a huge footprint and stands a chance). I would hate to look back in f

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

2013-07-10 Thread Jonathan Masters
That option simply preserves the global stack canary value between tasks during context switch. It's not really core to this. The core piece is userspace compiler tooling. I know the option exists and I thought/was lead to believe it works. But if Jakub has concerns I will add that to the feedba

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

2013-07-09 Thread Jonathan Masters
Matthew, We'll be looking into LLVM in due course. There are a few of us capable of fixing the issue (that you were noted as being extremely concerned about on IRC at the time - we will be happy to send you updates on this) but we balance this with other priorities (as well as a desire not to g

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

2013-07-09 Thread Jonathan Masters
Excellent proposal. I of course think this would be just awesome! -- Sent from my iPad On Jul 9, 2013, at 15:37, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > = Proposed System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ARM_as_Primary > > Change owner(s): Dennis Gilmore ,

RE: rpm and config.{guess, sub} (was [aarch64 bugs] dpkg: Does not support aarch64 in f19 and rawhide bug #925276)

2013-06-20 Thread Jonathan Masters
Indeed. This was a concern I raised when we first began the bootstrap. Blindly rerunning autoreconf in every case is a really bad idea. But doing it in a discretionary way, allowing the package maintainer to influence what happens (they in theory know whether this will work for their package and

RE: Which platforms have GRUB?

2013-06-14 Thread Jonathan Masters
However all future 64-bit ARM (AArch64) systems will use GRUB2. Sent from my Android phone using TouchDown (www.nitrodesk.com) -Original Message- From: Jeffrey Bastian [jbast...@redhat.com] Received: Friday, 14 Jun 2013, 17:31 To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: Which platform

Re: aarch64 bugs

2013-03-23 Thread Jonathan Masters
We are doing some enablement work with Linaro (Linaro Enterprise Group) that includes both KVM and Xen, and libvirt. Let's sync up next week Rich. Sent from my Android phone using TouchDown (www.nitrodesk.com) -Original Message- From: Richard W.M. Jones [rjo...@redhat.com] Received: Sat

Re: aarch64 bugs

2013-03-23 Thread Jonathan Masters
ARM deprecate endian switching in ARMv7+ application (server) profiles. It is possible to do big endian but with external hardware assistance. We will be an LP64 little endian architecture with a relaxed memory model. Ping me with questions. Sent from my Android phone using TouchDown (www.nitro

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Dracut HostOnly

2013-01-30 Thread Jonathan Masters
Hi Jaroslav, I would like to raise a caution about implementing this change. Several other non-Linux systems are able to handle a variety of hardware changes after installation, and still boot afterwards. I think it would be unfortunate if, after changing hardware, it were not possible to boot

Fwd: [fedora-arm] Fedora ARM Roadmap from this morning's hackfest discussion

2013-01-20 Thread Jonathan Masters
Forwarding for the broader audience. Note that this is subject to further discussion. Please feel welcomed to join and participate in arm@ with regard to this, and the many other pieces related to FUDCon. Additionally, thank you very much to everyone who attended (physically, virtually, or in sp

FUDCon ARM related followup

2013-01-20 Thread Jonathan Masters
Hi everyone, Thank you very much to those who attended FUDCon in Lawrence, KS this past weekend, in person, online via the streams, on IRC, or otherwise. It was great to see everyone. We in the ARM team had a great time (at least, I know I did) and I was pleased to see more mainstream Fedora di

Re: Fedora ARM F18 Beta VFAD - Test Images posted

2013-01-11 Thread Jonathan Masters
Hey Lukas, I think the other (well meaning) responses haven't yet addressed your original question. For the record, for ARM development boards, we (Fedora ARM) ship prebuilt disk images suitable and intended for dd'ing onto a storage card for convenient installation. Other targets support conve

Re: comps' "standard" group spring cleaning?

2013-01-11 Thread Jonathan Masters
Hi Lennart, I would like to remove finger from the list. It is still very much in use. I use it many times daily. I realize my use case is multiuser and server systems - not of interest to Fedora - but the overhead is little, so I would be grateful if it remained. Jon. -- Sent from my iPad

RE: FYI: Debian multiarch project

2011-07-22 Thread Jonathan Masters
I brought this up previously in the context of the Fedora ARM bootstrap. It will be one of topics in the writeup. -- Sent from my phone - message formatted and/or shortened accordingly. -Original Message- From: Richard W.M. Jones [rjo...@redhat.com] Received: Wednesday, 20 Jul 2011, 8: