Michal Schmidt redhat.com> writes:
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> On Thu, 3 Nov 2011 17:21:08 +0000 (UTC) JB wrote:
> > http://pastebin.com/QsD9LDxb
>
> This log shows no excessive delay during shutdown.
> ...
> Are you sure the long delay occured in the test this log is from?
>
>
JB gmail.com> writes:
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> JB gmail.com> writes:
>
> >
> > Michal Schmidt redhat.com> writes:
> >
> > > ...
> > > Show us the shutdown-log.txt.
> > ...
> >
> > Here you go:
> >
> > http://pastebin.com/EH
JB gmail.com> writes:
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> Michal Schmidt redhat.com> writes:
>
> > ...
> > Show us the shutdown-log.txt.
> ...
>
> Here you go:
>
> http://pastebin.com/EHTiuiR8
>
> JB
>
This is related to selinux:
...
[ 17.701301] sandbox[868]
JB gmail.com> writes:
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> Michal Schmidt redhat.com> writes:
>
> > ...
> > Show us the shutdown-log.txt.
> ...
>
> Here you go:
>
> http://pastebin.com/EHTiuiR8
>
> JB
>
I see these NetworkManager activities that are repeated and seem
Michal Schmidt redhat.com> writes:
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> On 11/03/2011 04:47 PM, JB wrote:
> > Here you go:
> >
> > http://pastebin.com/EHTiuiR8
>
> The parameters "log_buf_len=1M systemd.log_level=debug
> systemd.log_target=kmsg" were not on the command
Michal Schmidt redhat.com> writes:
> ...
> Show us the shutdown-log.txt.
...
Here you go:
http://pastebin.com/EHTiuiR8
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ssible case of "too quick to shutdown after bootup or after
using firefox and terminal" scenario.
I am wondering if there is something similar to 'systemd-analyze blame'
that would apply to shutdown/reboot (instead of boot-up) time ?
Also with 'systemd-analyze plot' capability ?
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port this? Bugs against grub2 or something
> else? Is there a specific forum for initrdless working?
>
> -Cam
> ...
With regard to initrdless boots:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=734274
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dev settle use to be a long boot
> up blocker in previous Knoppix releases. I wouldn't be surprised at
> all if Knoppix init had been changed in the newest release that JB
> tried to no longer call the settle function (or call it with a very
> short timeout) But I'm not going to be
JB gmail.com> writes:
> ...
The only difference to previous run is that ethernet cable (with good ISP
service) was plugged in during boot time.
You can see userspace time, and thus total time reduced by more than 300%.
# less -i /var/log/messages
...
Oct 5 05:33:51 localhost sys
Jef Spaleta gmail.com> writes:
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> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:32 PM, JB gmail.com> wrote:
> > Let me append "The Blame Game".
> > # systemd-analyze blame
> > 32983ms livesys.service
> > 22828ms NetworkManager.service
>
> That timing for
JB gmail.com> writes:
> ...
> Notebook 1:
> ---
> Lenovo TP R61i, Intel Pentium Core 2 Duo 1.86 GHZ, Intel Mobile 965GM,
> 2 GB RAM, HD, CD-RW, sound, internal ethernet and wireless.
>
> F16 beta
> average t1=3m8s
> average t2=10s
> ...
Let me append
n SysV/LSB scripts)
and DE with low resources usage and tailored for desktops
- Fedora having systemd parallel boot and DE tailored for small and simple
devices
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JB gmail.com> writes:
> ...
> There is a video on Youtube (I can not find the link right now, it is on
> www.osnews.com article in comments section) from a German Linux sysadmin
> presentation in Munich, in 2009 I believe - with Lennart present in
> the audience and constantl
Richard Hughes gmail.com> writes:
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> On 24 August 2011 01:35, JB gmail.com> wrote:
> > ...do not expect them to accept your sick "world domination" drive
>
> ...and this is why some upstream developers have unsubscribed from
> fedora-devel list. Ever
good people who are on this list dealing with you
and your project.
You really do not expect them to accept your sick "world domination" drive
and its product as a viable UNIX/Linux standard to be included in this Fedora,
later Red Hat, and other distros, as you stated you expect it t
Björn Persson xn--rombobjrn-67a.se> writes:
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> JB wrote:
> > This does not help in this case. The attack's effect can happen at any time
> > and catch systemd with its pants down at any time in the scenarios you
> > described.
> > The attack is on soc
Lennart Poettering 0pointer.de> writes:
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> On Tue, 23.08.11 17:48, JB (jb.1234abcd gmail.com) wrote:
>
> > Systemd and security - an example # 2 of an attack venue.
> > -
> > The above is dangero
ed (e.g. restarted, initialized,
> configured, fixed, etc).
> We want it to be minimal in its size, minimal in its functions, simple,
> stable, secure (no attack venues, direct or indirect) - yes,
> "beyond approach".
> ...
> JB - do you mean "beyond reproach
f'' stuff, IIRC.
I would say this is not a good idea with how "stop" works.
I usually stop a service for a reason. Perhaps I follow it up with
a reconfiguration or do other related work. I would not want it be started
during that time by systemd's "magic".
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JB gmail.com> writes:
> ...
Here are some more detailed thoughts.
Sys init.
-
Sys init as a process #1 should be "beyond approach" by design, and delegate
all work to other process(es), whether in a permanent or an ad-hoc manner,
that can be operated by sysadmi
but also think for a few minutes about each principle.
It helps clear up one's mind.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy
Eric Steven Raymond
The Art of Unix Programming
http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/taoup/
http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/taoup/html/
The Unix Philosophy
http:
ry be for us to take the time to invest in better
> technologies so we can realize the full potential of those
> technologies.
That's what I have just said above too.
So you are already "FOR", but you did not know about it up to now :-)
Welcome to the club !
>
> -jef
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Adam Jackson redhat.com> writes:
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> On Tue, 2011-07-19 at 11:11 +, JB wrote:
>
> > My suggestion is that you keep both init systems, SysV/LSB and systemd,
> > as separate offerings out of many, and forever so.
>
> We'll take that under advisement.
&
to tailor it for cooperation with other environments (GNOME, etc)
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Adam Jackson redhat.com> writes:
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> On Thu, 2011-07-14 at 17:49 +, JB wrote:
>
> > I am just suggesting how the devs can reach their audience and communicate
> > with them for a mutual benefit.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teaching_grandmother_to_suck_e
uggesting things.
I have emphasized that explicitly already.
Good night everybody :-)
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ey are expecting e.g. this week.
Try it and see the results. Perhaps it will work :-)
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there on
the lists :-)
I am just suggesting how the devs can reach their audience and communicate
with them for a mutual benefit.
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Bryn M. Reeves redhat.com> writes:
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> On 07/14/2011 05:48 PM, JB wrote:
> > Good. Perhaps a weekly snapshot CD, with the latest BTRFS and related utils,
> > so that the testing would be more up-to-date and meaningful.
> > JB
>
> http://alt.fedorapro
Bryn M. Reeves redhat.com> writes:
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> On 07/14/2011 05:26 PM, JB wrote:
> > Now just a loud thinking ...
> > Have you thought about first preparing a CD (even a live CD) with BTRFS and
> > some extra preinstalled software like VirtualBox etc just for testing ?
>
ed" masses who are not aware of all technical
details but are confronted with the prospect of being testers/users of still
risky technology (and their assets at risk ...).
Anyway, we wish you well and hope that you make BTRFS avaiable to us when
ready.
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, to present some test suite results (a la Phoronix, etc) that would
assure yourselves and Fedora testers/users of BTRFS fitness ?
If it came from you it would have a special weight and a sign that you
do no want to sell cats in a bag :-)
I hope, that the community at large will parallel it w
atedly, at every stage of
development, iteratively.
Your BTRFS fs's integrity relies on that !
So, no wobbling, strictly as the doctor prescribed :-)
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Matej Cepl redhat.com> writes:
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> Dne 14.7.2011 09:28, JB napsal(a):
> > The original b-tree algorithm was a result of an academic study,
> > formulation,
> > and empirical testing, and was subjected to scientific scrutiny.
>
> Ehm, I don't claim to have
Martin Langhoff gmail.com> writes:
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> On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 4:50 AM, JB gmail.com> wrote:
> > I have difficulty swallowing the fact that there are so many Red Hat,
> > Oracle,
> > and other famous technology names involved (officially or dev's private
&
in" fs !
The stakes are high because the features are advanced, attractive, and
compelling.
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ords, it is a product of hillbillies, wielding a compiler and
a language a la ax men.
Btw, we have seen similar software dev's "activism" in Fedora that does
exactly that, and does not not stand up to scrutiny :-)
So, what is the true state of BTRFS ?
Do *you
ng the matter worse by suggesting some as preferable more than others, but
still offering them all) is a recipe for "mass copulation" and quite probably
a sign of bad concept and design.
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Alexander Boström root.snowtree.se> writes:
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> tis 2011-07-12 klockan 06:29 +0000 skrev JB:
>
> > Regarding your statement on Parallelism.
> > Let's consider these two ExecStartPre with 'exec':
> > Is that still considered sequential execution, or
JB gmail.com> writes:
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> Michal Schmidt redhat.com> writes:
>
> > ...
> > > 2.
> > > main-service-2.service:
> > > [Unit]
> > > Description=Main service 2
> > > After= ...
> > > ...
> > > [Service]
> >
.
> >
> > But this is what Steve, I believe, wants to do with nfs (to have a bunch of
> > services started from the main one, as under current SysV init system, so
> > his users are not confused by the startup of all these individual service
> > files).
>
> I
ze plot' where you can clearly see
> services starting in parallel.
Well, I wish I could (I am on F15) ...
$ systemd-analyze plot
http://www.w3.org/2000/svg";
xmlns:xlink="http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink"; width="1793pt" height="2290pt"
viewBox="0 0 1793 2290" version="1.1">
$
$ systemd-analyze plot |less
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/bin/systemd-analyze", line 221, in
surface.finish()
IOError: [Errno 32] Broken pipe
$
> This Lennart's blog post has an example:
> http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/blame-game.html
>
> Michal
Thanks.
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mised parallelism in there, in the way the main and
sub services are executed ?
Can you give us a working example of a services setup (or something else) in
systemd where execution-parallelism would be present or at least theoretically
exploitable ?
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ambush-like tactics - do you remember
the reception systemd and GNOME joint attempt to roll over the rest of
UNIX/Linux community received ?
Easy, my fellow Linuxers :-)
Do it for your own interest !
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iple services
of any type (daemons, master/slave, or multithreaded) easily in its own
environment it creates and controlls fully ...
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a need to pre-edit/pre-validate input and
systemd execution environment with regard to what could be passed for execution
as a called app.
This stuff is run with root rights, so just passing to it WMD indiscriminately,
without any preconditions, would be dangerous.
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Jóhann B. Guðmundsson gmail.com> writes:
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> On 07/08/2011 12:41 PM, JB wrote:
> > Johann,
> > I think you are "fixing" it to work according to your world view
> >
>
> Nope
>
> > $ man sysctl
> > ...
> > SYNO
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson gmail.com> writes:
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> On 07/08/2011 11:42 AM, JB wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > you are right about the synchronization problem within a service file exec
> > environment, at least as you showed it in that particular Bugzilla case.
> >
>
re, but it appears to duplicate options from
systemd.unit(5) and systemd.service(5).
Well, systemd was supposed to simplify those silly and primitive bash-based
SysV and LSB system init environments, cure the lack of parallelism, etc ...
Sorry, just having a bad hair day :-)
JB
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JB gmail.com> writes:
> ...
> Btw, TPM, or TXT exactly, can be hacked too (that has been done already).
> ...
... and she is cute too :-)
http://theinvisiblethings.blogspot.com/search/label/trusted%20execution%20technology
and some more ...
http://siblog.mcafee.com/data-pr
t to them, but watch and participate.
Finally.
Btw, TPM, or TXT exactly, can be hacked too (that has been done already).
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JB gmail.com> writes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_computing
TC is controversial because it is technically possible not just to secure the
hardware for its owner, but also to secure against its owner. Such controversy
has led opponents of trusted computing, such as Richard Stallman,
Miloslav Trmač volny.cz> writes:
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> On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 4:21 PM, JB gmail.com> wrote:
> ...
> > Will the TPM allow a third party remote access to the machine ?
> Absolutely not.
You are wrong here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module
"...
Are these drivers open-source ? Is TPM device driver open-source ?
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