Re: mingw packaging: equivalent of %cmake_build, %cmake_install macros?

2024-01-30 Thread Eric Smith
In the fmt.spec you posted, I see > > %mingw_cmake -G Ninja [...] > > this means that you are generating ninja build scripts, not Makefiles. If > you want to use ninja, you should call > > %mingw_ninja > > after %mingw_cmake -G Ninja. > Thanks! That appears to be the right thing for the %build sec

mingw packaging: equivalent of %cmake_build, %cmake_install macros?

2024-01-29 Thread Eric Smith
I'm trying to add mingw build support to the fmt package spec. I've done this previously with the pugixml and zipios packages, and submitted the spec diffs to the package maintainer of those.. Both packages use cmake. Both in the %build section use %cmake then %cmake_build, and in the %install sect

macro(s) to use in RPM spec for /usr/lib/modules-load.d

2018-05-18 Thread Eric Smith
What macro(s) should I use in an RPM spec to refer to a directory like /usr/lib/modules-load.d, which is under /usr/lib even if libdir is /usr/lib64? Is there something better than %{_usr}/lib/modules-load.d? ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedorap

Re: apitrace, bundled libbacktrace

2017-12-17 Thread Eric Smith
Resurrecting a very old thread: On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Jakub Jelinek wrote: > On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 06:56:40PM +0200, Sandro Mani wrote: > > apitrace 5.0 bundles libbacktrace, which looks like is living within > > the gcc sources. libbacktrace is not build as a shared library from >

Re: cross-compiler support?

2016-12-19 Thread Eric Smith
On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Igor Gnatenko wrote: > I found only one cross-compiler in repos -- arm-none-eabi-gcc-cs > > But it doesn't work: This package is compiled in bootstrap mode and used only to solve circular > build dependency. You don't want to use this package. It's not expected t

Re: Haskell packaging issue: dnf reports "nothing provides ghc()"

2016-12-13 Thread Eric Smith
On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 4:38 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: > Actually, you do need some more BuildRequires: > but I can't reproduce your ghc() issue on EL7 or F25. Thanks for looking at it! With your suggested BuildRequires, scratch builds on Koji succeed for both F24 and F25, but the resulting F2

Haskell packaging issue: dnf reports "nothing provides ghc()"

2016-12-13 Thread Eric Smith
I'm trying to package BNFC, a Haskell program to translate labelled BNF grammars to lexer and parser specifications for common lexer and parser generators (Alex, JLex, Flex, Happy, CUP, and Bison). I've tried to follow the Haskell packaging guidelines. My package builds locally, and if I install it

Re: systemd and dmcrypt/luks question

2015-03-23 Thread Eric Smith
On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 11:17 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > zfs-import-cache.service has After=cryptsetup.target, and > zfs-mount.service has After=zfs-import-cache.service, so the ordering should > be there. Interesting, I didn't notice that the scripts in github already had the "Aft

Re: systemd and dmcrypt/luks question

2015-03-22 Thread Eric Smith
On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 9:15 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > I vaguely recall that zfsonlinux did some very strange things. How > do the units you are using look? These are the three that I think are relevant: https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/blob/master/etc/systemd/system/zfs-impor

Re: systemd and dmcrypt/luks question

2015-03-21 Thread Eric Smith
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 4:37 AM, Corey Sheldon wrote: > did you rebuild the initramfs and /or initrd after this change? I didn't. I'm not using ZFS on root (or anything else needed during boot), so I didn't think that was necessary. I'll give it a try. Thanks for the suggestion. -- devel mailing

systemd and dmcrypt/luks question

2015-03-20 Thread Eric Smith
I'm using a non-Fedora filesystem (zfsonlinux) which provides appropriate services and a target for systemd. The services state: Requires=systemd-udev-settle.service After=systemd-udev-settle.service This works fine for basic usage, but if trying to use zfs over dmcrypt/LUKS, the mount se

Re: IntelliJ

2015-01-20 Thread Eric Smith
I think it's a great idea. IntelliJ is the basis for the new Android dev env (though Eclipse can still be used). I looked at trying to package it again, but as you say it looks like a pretty big task. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listi

Re: Make buildSRPMFromSCM faster?

2014-07-19 Thread Eric Smith
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Richard Shaw wrote: > On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Eric Smith wrote: >> That could lead to packages that happen to build some of the time due >> to an undetected dependency on something that isn't in the BR but >> happens to be in a

Re: Make buildSRPMFromSCM faster?

2014-07-19 Thread Eric Smith
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 7:26 AM, Richard Shaw wrote: > How about not rebuilding the chroot every time... It's not like you have to > worry about leftover BR's from building another package. That could lead to packages that happen to build some of the time due to an undetected dependency on someth

Re: Make buildSRPMFromSCM faster?

2014-07-19 Thread Eric Smith
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 5:30 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > (1) Limit the use of macros in Source lines, so that only a simple, > standard, perhaps pre-cached buildroot can be used. How about just trying to parse the Source lines, and if that fails due to use of macros that can't be evaluated in

Re: Adding pkg-config not provided by upstream when packaging a library?

2014-06-16 Thread Eric Smith
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 12:57 AM, Kalev Lember wrote: > Otherwise it could create a situation where software developed > on Fedora relies on .pc files and doesn't work on other distros, and the > other way around: software developed on other distros won't use the nice > pkg-config integration ava

Re: Adding pkg-config not provided by upstream when packaging a library?

2014-06-15 Thread Eric Smith
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Eric Smith wrote: > > I don't really understand how this is "adding to the API" or results in > > incompatibilities. Do other people think that doing this is a mistake? > > Would it actually be bette

Re: Adding pkg-config not provided by upstream when packaging a library?

2014-06-15 Thread Eric Smith
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Adding pkg-config not provided by upstream when packaging a library?

2014-06-15 Thread Eric Smith
Because a new version of the Free42 calculator has switched to the Intel decimal floating point library (an implementation of the decimal part of IEEE-754), I'm working on packaging it: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1098820 Intel supplies it as portable code intended to be linke

Re: Orphaning drgeo, drgeo-doc

2014-06-12 Thread Eric Smith
On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Yaakov Selkowitz wrote: > IMHO it would be nice if this could stay in, but I'm not a Fedora packager > (yet? :-). FWIW, I just posted a patch for the FTBFS: I'll take over the 1.x pre-smalltalk package, incorporate your patch (thanks for that!), and otherwise

Re: Qt packages necessaries to develop for Android

2014-06-11 Thread Eric Smith
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 5:49 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Hunting for patents is one thing (I wouldn't recommend it either), but > looking for obviously patent-encumbered stuff (like MP3 codecs) is another > . Unfortunately it is generally not obvious what things are "obviously patent-encumbered".

Re: Qt packages necessaries to develop for Android

2014-06-09 Thread Eric Smith
On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Isaac Cortés González < w.isaac.cor...@gmail.com> wrote: > So, should I just clone the git repositories and build from those raw > sources? > Sounds reasonable to me. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/list

Re: Qt packages necessaries to develop for Android

2014-06-08 Thread Eric Smith
On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 8:36 PM, Isaac Cortés González < w.isaac.cor...@gmail.com> wrote: > I can look for any "patented" or closed source software > IANAL, but multiple lawyers have told me that it is generally a bad idea to go looking for patents, at least in the US. If they're brought to your

Re: Deprecate setjmp/longjmp? [was Re: Maybe it's time to get rid of tcpwrappers/tcpd?]

2014-04-30 Thread Eric Smith
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 2:24 AM, Florian Weimer wrote: > On 04/28/2014 09:52 AM, Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos wrote: > > setjmp and longjmp are tools, that one may use in a good or bad way. >> Along the same lines one could argue for dropping programs that use goto >> in Fedora (because everyone know

Request for comments regarding default configuration of pam_abl module

2014-03-23 Thread Eric Smith
In bug #1079767, it is requested that the default configuration for pam_abl be changed such that multiple root login failures from a network host will (temporarily) blacklist that host. The existing default configuration deliberately does not do that, due to potential for a Denial of Service. For

Re: Maybe it's time to get rid of tcpwrappers/tcpd?

2014-03-21 Thread Eric Smith
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 8:07 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > You do realize that if software engineering has shown something then > yes, software development is never finished, it's a process. You do need > maintains for such things. > The software in my microwave oven, coffee maker, thermostat,

Re: OpenCASCADE and applications depending on it (was: LinuxCNC RTAI kernel)

2014-02-13 Thread Eric Smith
On Feb 13, 2014 4:29 PM, "Sandro Mani" wrote: > On 14.02.2014 00:12, Eric Smith wrote: >> but several people suggested that it would be better to wait for OCE (downstream) to be rebased on the new OpenCASCADE release, and the OCE package to be moved from RPM Fusion into Fed

Re: LinuxCNC RTAI kernel

2014-02-13 Thread Eric Smith
I wrote: > but several people suggested that it would be better to wait for OCE (downstream) to be rebased on the new OpenCASCADE release, and the OCE package to be moved from RPM Fusion into Fedora. I see that OCE 0.15 was released yesterday, and is now based on the upstream OpenCASCADE 6.7.0, wh

Re: LinuxCNC RTAI kernel

2014-02-13 Thread Eric Smith
but stalled of since it's quite an effort. Anyone else interested in joining the effort? > > Eric Smith is packaging it already. I asked on the Fedora Legal list whether it was OK to package it with the new license, and the answer was yes. I worked on an RPM, but several people sug

Re: Fedora.next in 2014 -- Big Picture and Themes

2014-01-24 Thread Eric Smith
On Jan 24, 2014 10:29 AM, "Kevin Fenzi" wrote: > The things they are working on have been known for years, but our 6 > month release cycle with no hope of being able to work on tooling > hasn't allowed them to do so. Thanks for the clarification. I'm certainly on board with lengthening a release

Re: Fedora.next in 2014 -- Big Picture and Themes

2014-01-24 Thread Eric Smith
On Jan 23, 2014 2:33 PM, "Kevin Fenzi" wrote: > > On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 19:03:02 +0100 > Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > > I'm still undecided if I overall like Fedora.next or fear it. But more > > and more I tend to the latter position and wonder if it might be wise > > to slow things down: Do one more

Re: trouble with library dependency when main package depends on -libs subpackage

2013-11-29 Thread Eric Smith
The problem was that it was non-executable. Thanks for the help! On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 13:26:20 -0700, Eric Smith wrote: > > > I'm having a bit of trouble with RPM dependencies. I'm trying to package > > faif

trouble with library dependency when main package depends on -libs subpackage

2013-11-29 Thread Eric Smith
I'm having a bit of trouble with RPM dependencies. I'm trying to package faifa, which manages HomePlug AV interfaces. There's a library (libfaifa) and two executables, faifa and hpav_cfg. I'm putting the executables in the main package (faifa), the shared library in a -libs subpackage, and the h

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-25 Thread Eric Smith
On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > i really do not justify my decisions inside support cycles > because *you* quote out of context and sound like "booh nobody > is running Fedora in production" And I didn't say that nobody is running Fedora in production. -- devel mailing li

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-25 Thread Eric Smith
On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Thu, 2013-07-25 at 16:04 -0600, Eric Smith wrote: >> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Reindl Harald >> wrote: >> > if that would be the case i would not run Apache 2.4, and Zend Opcache >> > in produc

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-25 Thread Eric Smith
On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > if that would be the case i would not run Apache 2.4, and Zend Opcache > in production on Fdora 17 I wouldn't run *anything* in production on Fedora 17. That's what the downstream "enterprise" distributions are for. -- devel mailing list d

Re: EPEL (was Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk))

2013-07-22 Thread Eric Smith
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 10:52 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 07/22/2013 04:41 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: >> They chose to use a _downstream_ distribution. RHEL *is* Fedora, it's >> just a Fedora that's been hardened and held to a certain level of >> ABI/API compatibility. > Which is my

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-18 Thread Eric Smith
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 10:11 AM, James Hogarth wrote: > Then you were not using it with a default installed Fedora anyway which has > a default of LVM in place I don't remember why there wasn't LVM. I don't remember whether I was the one that installed Linux on that machine in the first place.

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-18 Thread Eric Smith
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 9:54 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > Why not read this files on another Fedora host ( or some other distro that > uses systemd )? > What's the reason for this hard dependency on Windows? Because I was about six hundred miles away from my office, didn't want to take th

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-18 Thread Eric Smith
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 1:56 AM, James Hogarth wrote: > >> > Oh how do you get your logs to read in windows from your lvm/ext4/btrfs >> > filesystems currently in a disk boot scenario? >> >> Using ext2fsd: >> http://www.ext2fsd.com >> > > ... I'd suggest you read that page and then look at

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-18 Thread Eric Smith
On Jul 18, 2013 12:22 AM, "James Hogarth" wrote: > Oh how do you get your logs to read in windows from your lvm/ext4/btrfs filesystems currently in a disk boot scenario? Using ext2fsd: http://www.ext2fsd.com Eric -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedorapr

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-17 Thread Eric Smith
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 8:39 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > Allowing editing of log files is a pure security risk... So is giving a sysadmin the root password, but we do it. I generally make a copy of a log file and edit the copy, but I'd oppose anything that took away the ability for log

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-17 Thread Eric Smith
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 8:32 AM, drago01 wrote: > On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Denys Vlasenko wrote: >> Progress happens by removing stuff which works? > Yes and replacing it by stuff that's better. > You know people know use cars rather then horses. Not because horses > stopped working but b

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-16 Thread Eric Smith
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 08:58:40PM -0400, Ding Yi Chen wrote: >> You still have not addressed the third party programs and scripts >> that monitor /var/log/messages > A) If someone is installing a program that expects this file, they can als

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Change Packaging Guidelines to discourage requires into /bin and /sbin

2013-07-16 Thread Eric Smith
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 2:22 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > /bin/sh is *not* a bash script > /bin/sh is *whatever* your default shell would be I certainly hope not. I've worked on plenty of Unix machines where the default shell was csh or tcsh, but if /bin/sh had been csh or a link to it, all hell w

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-16 Thread Eric Smith
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > I don't like things that have differing > behavior between a TTY and a pipe. I don't either, but that battle was lost many years ago with the 'ls' command, which defaults to columnar output to a tty but not to a pipe. Eric -- devel mailing l

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-15 Thread Eric Smith
On Jul 15, 2013 5:51 PM, "Lennart Poettering" wrote: > > On Tue, 16.07.13 09:13, Dan Fruehauf (malko...@gmail.com) wrote: > > > > Well, there are certain things on Unix that are text files and many > > > things that are not. Binary log files have a long tradition on Unix, for > > > example in wtmp

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-15 Thread Eric Smith
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 3:53 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > And honestly I dont understand why people are ack/nack-ing this since this > is FESCO decision Some of us would like to think that FESCO members might be influenced by arguments made on the development list. Maybe that's just wish

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-15 Thread Eric Smith
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > But this specific usecase certainly warranted this, and the > journal does deliver the requirements we cared for. I'm sure it does. But I think those requirements mainly apply to servers and enterprise installations, not the average Fe

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-15 Thread Eric Smith
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 3:45 PM, Till Maas wrote: > Oh, sorry, I was imprecise. Bash actually tells you when new mail is put > into the spool. E.g. if you log in as root, touch /var/spool/root and > wait up to 60 seconds and run e.g. ls, bash should tell you that there > is new mail before the nex

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-15 Thread Eric Smith
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Robert Nichols wrote: > So, all users on a multi-user system are now expected to dig through > syslog output to see the output from their cron jobs? A fair point, but in my experience the most common case is a single-user system where the user doesn't even use cro

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-15 Thread Eric Smith
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > (But > really, the comparison is just wrong, since the registry is a > configuration store, and not a log store.) It's not a perfect analogy, yet the arguments for both seem very similar, which is why I brought it up. We should try to l

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-15 Thread Eric Smith
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Till Maas wrote: > But the information cron sends via email is usually more important than > the regular log entries, because output in cron jobs usually means there > is an error. It seems wrong to store the important data hidden among > less important data. Then

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-15 Thread Eric Smith
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Till Maas wrote: > Bash usually tells you when there is mail in the spool, which is IMHO a > big difference to /dev/null. Funny, I just ssh'd into my machine, and it didn't tell me anything about mail being in the spool, but when I do an ls on the spool directory,

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-15 Thread Eric Smith
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Mon, 15.07.13 14:53, Eric Smith (brouh...@fedoraproject.org) wrote: >> If we go to having only binary logs by default, maybe we should also >> go to having only binary configuration files by default. It's &

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-15 Thread Eric Smith
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > It's a matter of finding the right balance: i.e. what can be text files, > and where we have to win more by making it binary. I am pretty sure this > is a case where we win more by sticking to binary files. It's totally > fine if you dis

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-15 Thread Eric Smith
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > I just want to look at the file without having to learn to type journalctl > isn't very compelling to me, even though I do recognize the change cost. > > However, the diagnostic value of an easily-accessible /var/log/messages is > pretty hig

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-15 Thread Eric Smith
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 2:43 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > So removing the binary journal has huge downsides. I don't dispute that removing it would have a downside. I might dispute that the downside is "huge", but for now I'll let that pass. > The need for > /var/log/messages filter

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-15 Thread Eric Smith
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > We created the journal with real > usecases in mind, and we are not giving those up. I don't actually care whether there's a binary journal or not, but far more of us have real usecases for /var/log/messages, so we shouldn't give up tha

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-15 Thread Eric Smith
> One process less in the system → faster bootup. As has been pointed out, it could easily be the systemd journal process that writes to /var/log/messages, so there wouldn't necessarily be one fewer process. > Logs not duplicated → less disk usage. True. So keep /var/log/messages and make the bi

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-15 Thread Eric Smith
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > (Just to mention this: we are neither the pioneer on the > no-default-syslog feature nor on no-default-sendmail... A lot of other > distros stopped installing an MTA by default a long time ago -- > including Ubuntu since 2007 or so -- a

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-15 Thread Eric Smith
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 11:50 AM, DJ Delorie wrote: > I worry about the security implications of mail that would have gone > to root@ being either silently discarded or unknowingly ignored. > > If there is no other way to send mail to local users, we should have a > local MTA configured for such.

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-15 Thread Eric Smith
I vote against this proposal as stated. I want all the systems I administer to have a /var/log/messages without any special configuration having to be done. I don't care whether /var/log/messages is written by syslog or systemd journal, as long as it has essentially the same text-based format as

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-15 Thread Eric Smith
+1 for this proposal. One of the first steps I take after installing Fedora on a new machine is to remove the MTA. It would be nice for this to be the default. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Getting rid of systemd-sysv-convert?

2013-06-20 Thread Eric Smith
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > yes - why was such a basic service *not* a systemd-unit > at the F15 release-day? > > in my understanding of develop quality software this > would not have happened and systemd at all not be > shipped as replacement until the rest of the dist

Re: Minimal install diff from F16 to F19 (TC6)

2013-06-20 Thread Eric Smith
Does NM in F19 support statically assigning multiple subnets to the same physical interface, WITHOUT using VLANs? I often need that on server machines, and wasn't able to figure out any way to do it with NM on F17, but I haven't yet tried it on F19. With the old-style network configuration, it wa

Re: icedtea-web installed and enabled by default in Fedora 19

2013-06-19 Thread Eric Smith
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 11:29 PM, Dhiru Kholia wrote: > Some recent news, > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/06/14/java_june_critical_patch_update/ > > "The majority are vulnerable through browser plugins, 11 of which are > exploitable for complete control of the underlying operating system," >

Re: A need for build triggers & automatic rebuilds

2013-06-19 Thread Eric Smith
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 4:23 AM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > You don't need a special trigger. You need your requirements to match the > constraints declared at the rpm level, then incompatibilities will be > caught at this level by normal distro tooling. How does that work? A pointer to the docs i

Re: bugzilla.redhat.com vs upstream bug trackers

2013-06-17 Thread Eric Smith
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Jeffrey Ollie wrote: > In no way should packagers be expected to provide end-user support for > packages, be an expert in every aspect of a package, or be expected to > work with upstream to debug issues because the end user is unwilling > to do the work themselves

Re: bugzilla.redhat.com vs upstream bug trackers

2013-06-17 Thread Eric Smith
On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 11:46:13 -0600 Eric Smith wrote: > Is the source code of the Red Hat Bugzilla instance published > somewhere? A quick search didn't turn it up. On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > It's very close to upstream bugzilla 4.4 at this point I

Re: bugzilla.redhat.com vs upstream bug trackers

2013-06-17 Thread Eric Smith
Is the source code of the Red Hat Bugzilla instance published somewhere? A quick search didn't turn it up. Eric On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Eric Smith wrote: > Is the source code of the Red Hat Bugzilla instance published > somewhere? A quick search didn't turn it up. &

Re: help requested for consolehelper/pam in gsmartcontrol

2013-06-13 Thread Eric Smith
Adam Williamson wrote: > If I were you I'd just look at any app that's still using consolehelper > and working, and copy its configuration. Shouldn't be too hard. Makes sense. I already have mtr-gtk installed, and it uses consolehelper. As it happens, it exhibits the same behavior, and uses an

Re: help requested for consolehelper/pam in gsmartcontrol

2013-06-13 Thread Eric Smith
I have no idea how it's happening, but I do seem to get another pair of these messages to /var/log/messages every time I click on gsmartcontrol in the menu. On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Eric Smith wrote: > I have no idea how it's happening, but I do seem to get another pa

help requested for consolehelper/pam in gsmartcontrol

2013-06-13 Thread Eric Smith
I have gsmartcontrol working with consolehelper in F17, but it fails to launch in F18 and F19, and logs messages like this: Jun 12 19:33:30 localhost /etc/gdm/Xsession[2594]: The password you typed is in\ valid. Jun 12 19:33:30 localhost /etc/gdm/Xsession[2594]: Please try again. I suspect that t

Re: udev rules, ACL_MANAGE, udev-acl?

2013-04-28 Thread Eric Smith
Tomasz Torcz wrote: You need either to classify device in udev rules or tag it with "uaccess". I made a writeup some time ago: http://enotty.pipebreaker.pl/2012/05/23/linux-automatic-user-acl-management/ I hope it helps. Thanks Tomasz! That was extremely helpful! It completely solved my ud

udev rules, ACL_MANAGE, udev-acl?

2013-04-27 Thread Eric Smith
I'm trying to package something that talks to a USB device. Upstream has a udev rule that uses the group "plugdev", which apparently is not used in Fedora, and I've seen advice to instead use an ACL_MANAGE variable and a udev-acl executable. However, I can't find any documentation on either, a

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-01-29 Thread Eric Smith
On 01/28/2013 09:56 AM, inode0 wrote: After four releases it isn't bad to step back and take a look at how things are working out. I hope we can do that with an eye to where we want to go in the future rather than looking to the past. I couldn't have said it better. I'm much more concerned ab

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-01-29 Thread Eric Smith
On 01/28/2013 09:27 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: The gnome desktop certainly isn't perfect but I see a lot more users using it than most of the rest of the other options. That's selection bias. It's the default, so of course it's going to get more users. That doesn't necessarily mean that they

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-01-29 Thread Eric Smith
On 01/29/2013 05:25 AM, Dan Mashal wrote: Lets have a poll. A very public one. On the main website. Not somebody's blog. And let's let the users decide what they want. I'll tell you what, last time I checked #1 spin is KDE. I like that idea. It's ultimately up to FESCo to decide, but a po

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-01-29 Thread Eric Smith
On 01/28/2013 08:47 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote: I think switching the desktop that has been our default for over 10 years and 18 releases requires just a bit more research and reason than that. ~m I don't disagree with the "more research and reason" part, but the current default desktop has only

Re: intel ipw2100/ipw2200 firmware must be removed

2012-07-14 Thread Eric Smith
Kevin Fenzi wrote: See: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:LicensingGuidelines#Binary_Firmware Ralf Ertzinger wrote: Question about that: The first requirement is that the file is non-executable. Does that mean that Fedora cannot ship firmware for hardware that has a CPU compatible with

Re: Fedora 17 ARM GA Release

2012-07-11 Thread Eric Smith
Rahul Bhalerao wrote: Is there a build compatible with WM8650 ARM 926 EJ-S or Cortex Nuvoton M0? It is nearly guaranteed that there will never be a Fedora build for a Cortex-M0 from any vendor. Or Cortex-M1, M3, or M4. The Cortex-M and Cortex-R series cores don't have an MMU, so they can't

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-19 Thread Eric Smith
Seth Johnson wrote: The positive/negative right formulation is a post-New Deal notion, rooted in the question of whether it has been textually granted -- very different from the notion that we hold rights prior to government. Nevertheless, even prior to that formulation rights like freedom of t

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-19 Thread Eric Smith
I wrote: I would claim that the moral right to run whatever software we wish on hardware we own is a negative right; it doesn't put any obligation on another party to help you do it. If you can hack up Fedora to run on a Nokia Windows phone, more power to you, but Nokia and Microsoft aren't obl

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-19 Thread Eric Smith
Andrew Haley wrote: The problem with this claim is that it equivocates on the meaning of "a right". There are at least two definitions of "a right" in this sense: moral rights and legal rights. These are not the same. Moral rights are not in the gift of any Government. While we may not have a

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-15 Thread Eric Smith
Jesse Keating wrote: The point in which you find yourself arguing over the semantics of Goodwin's law is also a clear indication that the thread has lost any amount of usefulness. Godwin's Meta-Law? Or maybe Keating's Corollary to Godwin's Law? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject

Re: MATE 1.2

2012-06-03 Thread Eric Smith
Stefan Schulze Frielinghaus wrote: On Sat, 2012-06-02 at 10:21 -0400, Randall Berry wrote: Does anyone plan to package MATE 1.2[1] for Fedora? MATE is a promising A Gnome 2.3 fork. If so I would like to be a co-maintainer. Or if nobody is planning on it I'll gladly start the project with a li

Re: another upgrade, another disaster

2012-05-29 Thread Eric Smith
Neal Becker wrote: I did try distro-sync, but it looked like there would be a lot of issues, so I abandoned that idea. I'd expect that if distro-sync has a lot of issues, preupgrade and Anaconda are likely to as well. None of these do any magic. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproj

Re: Strategy for packaging an ARM Cortex-M toolchain

2012-05-23 Thread Eric Smith
Rob Spanton wrote: There are an increasing number of ARM Cortex-M based boards around, and I'd like to get a cross-compilation toolchain for them into the Fedora repositories. I hope you're more successful with that than I was. I found a resounding lack of interest when I put an arm-none-eabi

Re: Like C++? Not afraid of quirky build systems? Seeking LLVM co-maintainers

2012-05-15 Thread Eric Smith
Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: LLVM is becoming an increasingly integral part of our distribution (with mesa now using it to build the LLVMpipe renderer, for example) that I don't really feel comfortable maintaining it mostly by myself. I'm not sure how much help I'd be with maintaining the nati

Re: Fwd: Approving commit access for djvulibre

2012-05-06 Thread Eric Smith
Jonathan Underwood wrote: Some months ago I requested commit on the el6 branch of djvulibre, but the package owner (cc'd) hasn't responded. Please can someone grant me commit access so I can make some updates? There's a process to be followed for this kind of issue: http://fedoraproject.org/wi

Re: GitHub is a terrible upstream

2012-04-20 Thread Eric Smith
Corey Richardson wrote: Getting source tarballs from github is a nightmare. See http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2011-February/148676.html The debian tool doesn't help very much because one still needs revision garbage in the specfile. Is there any more recent ways to mitigate this

Re: package with binaries only in /usr/sbin: rpmlint "no binaries" error, empty debuginfo

2012-03-30 Thread Eric Smith
Michael Schwendt wrote: Rather short files => suspicious! Read on. ;) Thanks, I should have spotted that! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

package with binaries only in /usr/sbin: rpmlint "no binaries" error, empty debuginfo

2012-03-30 Thread Eric Smith
I'm working on packaging HP's LTFS filesystem (which uses fuse), and it has binaries only in /usr/sbin. rpmlint complains that there are no binaries, and the debuginfo package is empty. [eric@p1 SPECS]$ rpm -qlvp ../RPMS/x86_64/hpltfs-1.2.2-1.x86_64.rpm -rw-r--r--1 rootroot

Re: ARM as a primary architecture

2012-03-23 Thread Eric Smith
DJ Delorie wrote: Buy a trimslice and run it with iSCSI. Pete Zaitcev wrote: This is not good enough for me to become involved with Fedora on ARM. Glad it works for you, but I need a real system, like a Netwinder. You did see that there's a "Trimslice H" model that can accomodate a 2.5"

Re: More explanation requested for warning about rawhide inheriting updates

2012-03-10 Thread Eric Smith
Bruno Wolff III wrote: Rawhide inherits from updates of the most recent branch, which is currently the branched release (f17). Updates will inherit from the release. A package is only inherited if there are no builds for it at the current level. [and more good explanation] Thanks! That's ex

More explanation requested for warning about rawhide inheriting updates

2012-03-10 Thread Eric Smith
The "Join the package collection maintainers" page gives the warning: Be sure that you build for rawhide (master) branch before pushing updates for any other branches! Otherwise, those updates will get inherited into rawhide, which is almost certainly not what you want. I've never really unde

Re: help requested with Sourceforge download URL for RPM Source tag

2012-03-09 Thread Eric Smith
Orion Poplawski wrote: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/muparser/muparser_v2_2_2.zip Thanks! I could have sworn that I tried that one, but I guess I must have screwed it up somehow. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

help requested with Sourceforge download URL for RPM Source tag

2012-03-09 Thread Eric Smith
In the process of updating the muParser package to the latest upstream release, I am unable to construct a proper Sourceforge URL for the upstream release that meets the Fedora packaging guideline. Can someone more expert about Sourceforge URLs please give me a hand? The file I want is mupars

Re: Finding package dependencies in repository (was Re: Orphaning a couple of packages)

2012-03-08 Thread Eric Smith
I wrote: Is there a way to query the package database to find out what packages depend on a particular package (in this case, muParser)? I didn't see anything obvious. Vít Ondruch wrote: $ repoquery --whatrequires muParser Cool! I didn't even know of the existence of the repoquery tool, I

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