Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-14 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Adam Jackson wrote: > On Thu, 2010-10-14 at 01:39 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> Adam Williamson wrote: >> > Er, really? I don't see where I offered any insult or un-excellent-ness. >> > I just meant it as a vaguely humorous way of wondering why Kevin was >> > repl

Re: Summary/Minutes for today's FESCo meeting (2010-10-05)

2010-10-14 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Bruno Wolff III wrote: >> There was also talk about whether or not it would be allowed for there >> to be a separate Iceweasel package in Fedora. This might be done to >> test the feasibility of maintaining it. There were mixed feelings about

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-14 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Nonsense. > * Whenever somebody complains about the Firefox maintainers rejecting non- > upstream patches, they give the trademarks as the reason. > * Whenever somebody complains about the branding, they claim it doesn't > matter because we ar

Re: trademarks [was: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs]

2010-10-14 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Brandon Lozza wrote: >> I think an exception should be made for Chromium too. > > No. Just no. > > The exceptions for Firefox need to stop NOW, i.e. no new ones should be > granted and the ones that have alrea

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-10-12 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Michal Schmidt wrote: > On Tue, 12 Oct 2010 09:43:16 -0400 Brandon Lozza wrote: >> On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 6:17 AM, Michal Schmidt wrote: >> >> >  - remove any features Gnome is known for removing features, it was a joke. > > Pe

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-10-12 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 6:17 AM, Michal Schmidt wrote: >  - remove any features > Michal How do you guys update Gnome then? ;) -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: trademarks [was: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs]

2010-10-07 Thread Brandon Lozza
I think an exception should be made for Chromium too. Having a more secure browser would benefit the main repositories. On 10/7/10, Brandon Lozza wrote: > On 10/6/10, Adam Williamson wrote: >> On Wed, 2010-10-06 at 16:41 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >> >>> However

Re: trademarks [was: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs]

2010-10-07 Thread Brandon Lozza
On 10/6/10, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2010-10-06 at 16:41 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > >> However, this here is Fedora, a project that once was aiming at >> "Freedom" - As trivial as it is, restrictive trademark policies simply >> do not fit into this philosophy. > > If we don't protect t

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-06 Thread Brandon Lozza
On 10/6/10, Matej Cepl wrote: > I won't comment on the trademark issue (because that's just pure lunacy), > but let me comment here "they don't accept my patches, so they are non- > free". That's just nonsense ... Yes it is, that's not the issue. They aren't letting us distribute it ourselves, un

Re: Summary/Minutes for today's FESCo meeting (2010-10-05)

2010-10-06 Thread Brandon Lozza
On 10/5/10, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > === > #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2010-10-05) > === > > Meeting started by nirik at 19:30:01 UTC. The full logs are available at > http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-10-05/fesco.2010-10-0

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-05 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >  On 10/05/2010 06:26 PM, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: >> Maybe I'm missed something, but there is a (relative) simple question >> that always pops up in my head when I read things like this. I never >> bothered to ask it in public, but I'll do n

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-05 Thread Brandon Lozza
cal (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P34FB-0003dw-0z; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 05:55:33 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 From: Richard Stallman To: Brandon Lozza In-reply-to: (message from Brandon Lozza on Mon, 4 Oct 2010 09:26:34 -0400) Subject: Re: Trademarks make

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-05 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > Maybe I'm missed something, but there is a (relative) simple question > that always pops up in my head when I read things like this. I never > bothered to ask it in public, but I'll do now: > >  * Why haven't those that want iceweasel and

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-10-05 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: > We knew that this would happen.  We would lose some people.  When a > project like us goes basically directionless for years it picks up > people who have different ideas about what they want to create and where > they want to go with it.  Whe

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-05 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 6:37 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > that's the entire point of having trademarks. Free software projects are > obliged to allow you to access and modify their code. They are not > obliged to allow you to benefit from their reputation. It doesn't make > any sense to say 'I thin

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-05 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 12:01 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 10/05/2010 12:37 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: >> On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 11:08 -0400, Brandon Lozza wrote: >> >>> That's what i've been saying all day. It's only free software if you >>> ch

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Brandon Lozza wrote: >> Let's say I recompile Firefox and make a bunch of my own changes and >> REFUSE to change the name. How long do you think it'll take for >> Mozilla's lawyers to start th

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Michal Schmidt wrote: > On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 11:24:30 -0400 Brandon Lozza wrote: >> Firefox doesn't just include source code. It includes intellectual >> property with specific restrictions on what you're allowed to do with >&g

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Brandon Lozza  wrote: >> >> >> That's what i've been saying all day. It's only free software if you >> change the name, in which case you may loose bran

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: > On 10/04/2010 03:34 PM, Brandon Lozza wrote: >> On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Rahul Sundaram  wrote: >>>   On 10/04/2010 06:53 PM, Brandon Lozza wrote: >>>> On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Rahul Sund

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Florent Le Coz wrote: >  On 04/10/10 15:23, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Ignoring upstream and patching without consent is only feasible if you >> have the amount of resources to do a good job with that.  Fedora doesn't >> have that. >> >> Rahul > I'm not talking about

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Matej Cepl wrote: > No need to call it “political reasons” (on the side of MoFo) ... nowhere > in the definition of free software is written, that upstream has to > accept your patches. It may happen upstream (any upstream) disagrees with > your patch, you may not a

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Brandon Lozza  wrote: >> >> >> GNU Icecat doesn't tell you something? >> > > You said you are going to ask FSF.  How about you just ask them if the > presenc

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >  On 10/04/2010 06:53 PM, Brandon Lozza wrote: >> On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >>> So according to you any free software with a trademark is non-free >>> software?  Good luck getting anyone

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >  On 10/04/2010 06:53 PM, Brandon Lozza wrote: >> On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >>> So according to you any free software with a trademark is non-free >>> software?  Good luck getting anyone

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 6:28 AM, Matej Cepl wrote: > It would be really helpful if instead of calling programs > "unmaintainable" and similar non-sense you would research a bit what > really is the problem ... take a look at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/ > buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&nam

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 6:37 AM, Brandon Lozza wrote: > On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 6:28 AM, Matej Cepl wrote: >> It would be really helpful if instead of calling programs >> "unmaintainable" and similar non-sense you would research a bit what >> really is the p

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >  On 10/04/2010 06:50 PM, Florent Le Coz wrote: >>   On 04/10/10 14:52, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >>>  Trademark cannot be ever free as in freedom. >> That's why Fedora should not ship Firefox, but Iceweasel, or Icecat, or >> Minefield, or anythin

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > We have been through this before.  If you take Fedora and modify it, you are > not allowed to use the Fedora name either.  Trademark cannot be ever free as > in freedom. > > Rahul Exactly the point I brought up Rahul, thanks for your irrelev

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > So according to you any free software with a trademark is non-free > software?  Good luck getting anyone including FSF to agree with that > interpretation. > > Rahul I'm sure they will. Trademark restrictions violate one of the four freedoms

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Brandon Lozza  wrote: >> >> el >> > >> >> Fedora shouldn't include software it doesn't have the resources to >> maintain. > > Fedora doesn&#x

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-10-03 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 11:05 PM, Gerald Henriksen wrote: > On Sat, 2 Oct 2010 20:56:21 -0400, you wrote: > >>Fedora is just going to end up having a million repos for all the >>software that will not be updated for six months. And that makes us >>look silly. Windows doesn't have repositories for u

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-10-02 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Gerald Henriksen wrote: > Look, I realise you are passionate about KDE, and want the best KDE > experience in Fedora.  But most people are not developers, they > instead are using their desktop environment of choice to get regular, > everyday things done with office

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-10-01 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 6:01 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 7:25 AM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: >> >> It shouldn't be. Never be afraid of learning, even in the tightest of >> situations. It is good for your brain. It helps with analytical >> thinking. >> >> Once constant learning

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-27 Thread Brandon Lozza
> What does matter to Fedora is having an updates policy that is > designed to minimize disruption to users during a release is pointless > if a significant part of Fedora - KDE - is going to be allowed to > ignore the updates policy and deliberately introduce visible to the > user changes in the m

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-26 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Gerald Henriksen wrote: > On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 13:41:38 +0200, you wrote: > >>On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: >>> On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 15:53:49 -0400 >>> Brandon Lozza wrote: >>> >>>> It wou

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-25 Thread Brandon Lozza
elegate the latest KDE to backports like everyone else, how does that make Fedora better? And we do want to be better than everyone else if we want to compete with Apple and Microsoft. On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Brandon Lozza wrote: > Wasn't this exception allowed for KDE at Fesco?

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-25 Thread Brandon Lozza
Wasn't this exception allowed for KDE at Fesco? Considering that a typical KDE upgrade contains bug fixes, security fixes as well as new features and UI changes. On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 15:53:49 -0400 > Brandon Lozza wrote: > >&

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-25 Thread Brandon Lozza
It would be nice to list it somewhere as an exception, to avoid panics :) On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Rex Dieter wrote: > Brandon Lozza wrote: > >> It seems like the policy would kill the use of an upgraded KDE (4.5 to >> 4.6) because KDE almost always makes UI change

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-25 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Till Maas wrote: > On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 09:48:34AM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: > >> Say you ship with 50 bugs in a package.  As you update it through the >> lifetime of a release, that number should decrease more or less >> monotonically.  The bugs that take long

Re: Fedora "backports" repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-23 Thread Brandon Lozza
> Er, whut? I didn't post anything advocating people use Rawhide for > day-to-day purposes. I wouldn't suggest such a thing. All I said was > that I haven't noticed the speed difference between debug and non-debug > kernels, because I haven't. I know it's measurably present, but it > doesn't affect

Re: Fedora "backports" repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Brandon Lozza
something like sidux, but fedora based im thinking stable f14 with the goodies stable vision blocks because people want stale software, and i'd rather not use rawhide or opensuse On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Brandon Lozza wrote: > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Richard W.M. Jone

Re: Fedora "backports" repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > I should add that whether this testing happens in Koji or in AutoQA > isn't material.  AutoQA is probably better.  *Provided* that if the > basic sanity tests fail they must prevent the packages from going into > the Rawhide compose. > >

Re: Fedora "backports" repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 8:06 AM, drago01 wrote: > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Richard W.M. Jones > wrote: >> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 09:58:53PM -0400, Arthur Pemberton wrote: >>> 2010/9/20 Michał Piotrowski : >>> > 2010/9/21 Toshio Kuratomi : >>> >> As the concept of using third party repo

Re: Fedora "backports" repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-21 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 09/21/2010 07:20 AM, Brandon Lozza wrote: >> One thing I wanted to point out. Windows users get to install the >> latest Firefox, KDE, and other apps without

Re: Fedora "backports" repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-21 Thread Brandon Lozza
Is GNU/Linux supposed to be a mirror into software's past? On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Brandon Lozza wrote: > One thing I wanted to point out. Windows users get to install the > latest Firefox, KDE, and other apps without having to wait for a new > Windows release. If users h

Re: Fedora "backports" repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-21 Thread Brandon Lozza
One thing I wanted to point out. Windows users get to install the latest Firefox, KDE, and other apps without having to wait for a new Windows release. If users had to wait for Windows 8 to get the latest Firefox, things would be messy. I don't understand what the fear is of doing this on GNU/Linux

Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-15 Thread Brandon Lozza
If I have to wait for the next release of Fedora (14 for example) to get KDE 4.5 then it's looking like the stable updates vision has made Fedora incompatible with what I need. I will need to consider another distribution (OpenSUSE most likely, their GCC 4.5 also doesn't suck; LTO = enabled). After

Re: Fedora Notifications System.

2010-08-22 Thread Brandon Lozza
> > > > 1) I was the one who put a google wave link in the wiki, I tought it might > be a good way of comunication because anyone with a Gmail account can acess > to a wave and use it. If someone do not have a Gmail account he/she simply > can use the IRC, can contact anyone that's helping via the

Re: Fedora Notifications System.

2010-08-20 Thread Brandon Lozza
> > > > You are requesting people participate in discussions via Google Wave. This > is problematic for two reasons: > > a) Google Wave is dead > b) Noone wants to use Google Wave. See a) > > Rahul > a) you're a troll b) you're a troll > > -- > devel mailing list > devel@lists.fedoraproje

Re: Javascript JIT in web browsers

2010-08-20 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 1:48 AM, Léon Keijser wrote: > On Fri, 2010-08-20 at 03:46 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > The "lesser of 2 evils" is no solution. Only NO evil at all will keep the > > user's freedom. Users should NEVER use proprietary software, be it as > > JavaScript or using a proprieta

Re: Javascript JIT in web browsers

2010-08-19 Thread Brandon Lozza
> > > Well, that's not what HTML, nor the underlying HTTP, was designed for. I > don't see it as being an appropriate platform for software at all. (And I > don't see plugins such as Flash as being the solution either. I believe > this > needs a completely different protocol, e.g. NX is something g

Re: Javascript JIT in web browsers

2010-08-16 Thread Brandon Lozza
> > > By your logic we should ban gcc, java, mono, python, perl, bash ... as > one can use them to create and/or run non free software. > > Also you may be aware that javascript has its uses *outside* of the > web too (just like you can write apps in python you can do it in JS; > and having a JIT t

Re: Javascript JIT in web browsers

2010-08-16 Thread Brandon Lozza
I've already seen websites exploit firefox tabs and they made use of my gmail account to send spam. Why should we make firefox easier to exploit? On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 5:07 AM, drago01 wrote: > On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 1:15 AM, Kevin Kofler > wrote: > > drago01 wrote: > >> The times where jav

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 14 Alpha RC3 Available Now!

2010-08-11 Thread Brandon Lozza
2010/8/11 Michał Piotrowski > 2010/8/11 Brandon Lozza : > > On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Michael Cronenworth > > wrote: > >> > >> Michał Piotrowski on 08/11/2010 09:28 AM wrote: > >> > I > >> > downloadedhttp:// > alt.fedor

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 14 Alpha RC3 Available Now!

2010-08-11 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Michał Piotrowski on 08/11/2010 09:28 AM wrote: > > I downloadedhttp:// > alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/desktop/desktop-x86_64-20100810.15.iso > > - it is too large to fit on the CD. > > This is the "Green Age" what ar

Re: Is PulseAudio dead?

2010-08-03 Thread Brandon Lozza
> Which is great and I understand that but systemd will basically cover > the release time frame for F-13 and F-14 and in that timeframe the > support and issues for PA are going unfixed or even un triaged. Not > great for a core sub system. So maybe it would be a good idea to train > up a few peop

Re: Firefox 4 for Fedora 14?

2010-07-28 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Martin Sourada wrote: > On Wed, 2010-07-28 at 09:57 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: >> On 07/28/2010 01:08 AM, Mike McGrath wrote: >> >> On 07/27/2010 10:53 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Are we skipping Firefox 4 for Fedora 14?  Beta 2 has been released >> >>

Re: Firefox 4 for Fedora 14?

2010-07-28 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: > On 28/07/10 13:52, Mike McGrath wrote: > >  Maybe as firefox4 available in >> updates-testing, but certainly not a core default package. > > +1 > > -- > Regards, > > Frank Murphy > UTF_8 Encoded > Friend of Fedora > -- > devel mailing list >

Re: Firefox 4 for Fedora 14?

2010-07-28 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 8:27 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >  On 07/28/2010 05:47 PM, Brandon Lozza wrote: >> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 6:55 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >>>  On 07/28/2010 04:22 PM, Brandon Lozza wrote >>>> The FSF drafted up the four freedoms and it's

Re: Firefox 4 for Fedora 14?

2010-07-28 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 6:55 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >  On 07/28/2010 04:22 PM, Brandon Lozza wrote >> The FSF drafted up the four freedoms and it's not offtopic, we're >> discussing Firefox4 and the fact that we won't be able to make changes >> to i

Re: Firefox 4 for Fedora 14?

2010-07-28 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 6:49 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >  On 07/28/2010 04:15 PM, Brandon Lozza wrote: >> >> We're NOT allowed to make changes (patches) without their permission. >> This is defacto non-free. I understand we work with upstream but that >> shouldn&

Re: Firefox 4 for Fedora 14?

2010-07-28 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 2:57 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > On 07/28/2010 01:08 AM, Mike McGrath wrote: >>> On 07/27/2010 10:53 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Are we skipping Firefox 4 for Fedora 14?  Beta 2 has been released recently and I am wondering if we can go with it if it fits into th

Re: Firefox 4 for Fedora 14?

2010-07-27 Thread Brandon Lozza
On 7/27/10, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 07/28/2010 04:06 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > > According to this two year-old post, it's possible to build Firefox > > with gstreamer support: > > > > > http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/2008/04/firefox-html5-video-with-gstreamer.html > > > > > > Dunno if

Re: Firefox 4 for Fedora 14?

2010-07-27 Thread Brandon Lozza
F11 or F12 had a beta version of firefox spot's chromium builds do support webm, it works great :) On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Athmane Madjoudj wrote: > On 07/27/2010 11:08 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: >> On Tue, 27 Jul 2010, Athmane Madjoudj wrote: >> >>> On 07/27/2010 10:53 PM, Rahul Sundara

Re: Firefox 4 for Fedora 14?

2010-07-27 Thread Brandon Lozza
Doesn't our version already support WebM? On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi, > > Are we skipping Firefox 4 for Fedora 14?  Beta 2 has been released > recently and I am wondering if we can go with it if it fits into the > schedule.  There are dozens of new features includ

Re: Fedora 14 branching and dist-git roll out

2010-07-26 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 10:28 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Sat, 2010-07-24 at 15:31 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: >> On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 09:10:24AM -0400, Brandon Lozza wrote: >> > On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 2:54 AM, Jesse Keating wrote: >> > > Hey all

Re: Using LLVM for build package instead gcc, why not?

2010-07-24 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Horst H. von Brand wrote: > Jonathan MERCIER wrote: >> LLVM itself could allow for much greater flexibility in programming >> language choice. It can allow for anyone to take any language and output >> it in bytecode, machine code, javavm code and so on. Sounds l

Re: Fedora 14 branching and dist-git roll out

2010-07-24 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 2:54 AM, Jesse Keating wrote: > Hey all!  It's that time again, we're gearing up to branch for Fedora 14 > this coming Tuesday!  There is a major twist this time around, we're > going to attempt a roll out of dist-git! --snipped--- I'm just curious but would this allow som

Re: gcc-4.5-RH in F14

2010-07-16 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: > On 07/13/2010 11:55 AM, Brandon Lozza wrote: > >> I'm going to keep a personal note of the apps which do perform faster >> and grab the src rpm's so that I can compile them myself with LTO. > > Jakub J

Re: gcc-4.5-RH in F14

2010-07-13 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Pekka Pietikainen wrote: > On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 11:31:09AM -0400, Brandon Lozza wrote: >> A mass rebuild would be recommended as the new compiler will produce faster >> code. I believe everything will benefit and it's worth looking in

Re: gcc-4.5-RH in F14

2010-07-08 Thread Brandon Lozza
On 7/8/10, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 11:31 -0400, Brandon Lozza wrote: > > > A mass rebuild would be recommended as the new compiler will produce > > faster code. I believe everything will benefit and it's worth looking > > into. For ex

Re: gcc-4.5-RH in F14

2010-07-08 Thread Brandon Lozza
A mass rebuild would be recommended as the new compiler will produce faster code. I believe everything will benefit and it's worth looking into. For example I noticed a significant difference on the OpenSUSE distro when GCC was upgraded and they repackaged their software with it in their developmen

Re: Feature, Fedora 14: Go Programming

2010-07-04 Thread Brandon Lozza
On 7/4/10, Jussi Lehtola wrote: > On Sun, 2010-07-04 at 10:40 -0400, Brandon Lozza wrote: > > you're in now Michel > > > > On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Brandon Lozza > > wrote: > > ok :) > > > > > >

Re: Feature, Fedora 14: Go Programming

2010-07-04 Thread Brandon Lozza
you're in now Michel On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Brandon Lozza wrote: > ok :) > > On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 6:39 AM, Michel Alexandre Salim < > michael.silva...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Brandon Lozza wrote: >> >

Re: Feature, Fedora 14: Go Programming

2010-07-04 Thread Brandon Lozza
ok :) On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 6:39 AM, Michel Alexandre Salim < michael.silva...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Brandon Lozza wrote: > > http://www.pwnage.ca/dist/SRPMS > > http://www.pwnage.ca/dist/RPMS > > Working F13 packages are available if

Re: Feature, Fedora 14: Go Programming

2010-07-01 Thread Brandon Lozza
http://www.pwnage.ca/dist/SRPMS http://www.pwnage.ca/dist/RPMS Working F13 packages are available if anyone wants to try or make comments on them. (Might not meet package guidelines yet) On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Brandon Lozza wrote: > I got it setup for the feature wrangler

Re: Feature, Fedora 14: Go Programming

2010-06-29 Thread Brandon Lozza
I got it setup for the feature wrangler too On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 8:41 PM, Brandon Lozza wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Go_Programming > > <https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Go_Programming>Here is the > feature page > > > On Sun, Jun 27, 2010

Re: Feature, Fedora 14: Go Programming

2010-06-28 Thread Brandon Lozza
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Go_Programming <https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Go_Programming>Here is the feature page On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 10:58 PM, Rakesh Pandit wrote: > 2010/6/27 Brandon Lozza : > > No I have not actually, didn't know I had to. I sa

Re: Feature, Fedora 14: Go Programming

2010-06-27 Thread Brandon Lozza
No I have not actually, didn't know I had to. I saw some other feature requests here. Could you help me do this? 2010/6/27 Conan Kudo (ニール・ゴンパ) : > On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Brandon Lozza wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I'd like to recommend a Go compiler be

Feature, Fedora 14: Go Programming

2010-06-27 Thread Brandon Lozza
Hi, I'd like to recommend a Go compiler be included with Fedora 14. We would have two options: 1) GCC-GO (Included in GCC 4.5?) 2) Google's Go Compiler. (One is made by Conrad Meyer, he mentioned it wouldn't be too easy to add because goinstall basically wants root privileges). Benefits to Fedo

Re: rfc: python2.7 for F14

2010-06-22 Thread Brandon Lozza
I know this might be slightly off topic because of python but: I would love to see a feature for GCC 4.5 if its not already assumed to be in F14 (OpenSUSE will have GCC 4.5 in 11.3 out soon) On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 11:02 AM, David Malcolm wrote: > On Tue, 2010-06-22 at 08:40 +0200, Thomas Spura

Re: pidgin obsoleting itself

2010-06-10 Thread Brandon Lozza
I think you guys are experiencing the infinite loop bug On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 1:52 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 05:07:16 +0200, Kevin wrote: > >> > It fails for a Yum install. I warn about such competing Obsoletes, because >> > they strictly require the user to go the "

Re: bodhi statistics

2010-06-08 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Luke Macken wrote: >> This report definitely conveys the shortcomings in our testing, however, >> it does show us improving with each release. For Fedora 13, we implemented >> the No Frozen Rawhide process with improved Critical Path policies,