Re: Let's retire original glib and gtk+ (new report)

2022-03-09 Thread Bill Nottingham
Peter Boy (p...@uni-bremen.de) said: > And, by the way, it is one of Linux’s (and Fedora Linux’s) core > distinguishing features that it does not follow the short-term commercial > life cycles, but enables long-term usability, for "old" hardware as well > as software. And we should not give that

Re: Packaging of Ansible collections

2020-02-10 Thread Bill Nottingham
James Cassell (fedoraproj...@cyberpear.com) said: > > > I guess if would be enough to put the files somewhere under > > > /usr/share/ansible, but not sure. Also I'm not sure what download URL > > > could > > > be used. > > > > What is the goal of downstream collection packaging here - what colle

Re: Packaging of Ansible collections

2020-02-10 Thread Bill Nottingham
Igor Gnatenko (ignatenkobr...@fedoraproject.org) said: > Hello, > > Did anybody had an experience of packaging Ansible collections into an RPM? > > I guess if would be enough to put the files somewhere under > /usr/share/ansible, but not sure. Also I'm not sure what download URL could > be used.

orphaning: comps-extras, goffice08

2019-07-11 Thread Bill Nottingham
comps-extras: required by PackageKit goffice08: required by nip2, cutter Neither has required any significant maintenance if someone wants to pick them up. Bill ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to dev

Re: Fedora Lifecycles: imagine longer-term possibilities

2018-11-14 Thread Bill Nottingham
Josh Boyer (jwbo...@fedoraproject.org) said: > > > If 7 years is what manufacturers really want, then it sounds like > > > CentOS is much better positioned to be get shipped on laptops than > > > Fedora. Instead of working on a new "Fedora LTS" for this usage case, > > > would time be better spent

Re: Fedora Lifecycles: imagine longer-term possibilities

2018-11-14 Thread Bill Nottingham
Ben Rosser (rosser@gmail.com) said: > On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 2:55 PM Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > From what I have talked with in the past.. 3 years is their bare > > minimum and 7 is their what we really want. It usually takes the > > vendor about 3-6 months of work to make sure the OS w

Re: Semi-serious proposal: drop all optional entries from comps

2018-09-24 Thread Bill Nottingham
Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) said: > On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 06:05:16AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > > Some of the group stuff is also used during the compose and if things > > aren't in groups specified but needed by say a kickstart the packages > > won't be in certain places and w

Re: Intent to orphan Python 2

2018-04-04 Thread Bill Nottingham
Adam Williamson (adamw...@fedoraproject.org) said: > This rather begs the question of whether there are any modules which > only work *with python 2*, though... Given 1500+ modules, all of which can have their own python library dependencies, the safe answer is 'yes'. We're working to solve that

Re: F27 System Wide Change: Graphical Applications as Flatpaks

2017-07-18 Thread Bill Nottingham
Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) said: > > On a more general note I think a lot of people are assuming we're all > > horrible evil people, trying to subvert the One True Fedora Way. This > > is exceptionally poisonous and needs to stop, otherwise Fedora should > > to drop both the "Friends", "Features

Re: Proposal: Rethink Fedora multilib support (Take Two!)

2017-01-05 Thread Bill Nottingham
Stephen Gallagher (sgall...@redhat.com) said: > The main reason for this is trying to simplify the module-building process. We > really don't want to attempt to build both arches within the same buildroot > for > most of the reasons we've established in this extended conversation. My first > prop

Re: Fedora on Macs, removing the release criterion

2016-11-15 Thread Bill Nottingham
Josh Boyer (jwbo...@fedoraproject.org) said: > > If that is not the case anymore it would be good if that would be > > communicated in advance so that all users on mac hw could either > > switch distros or gang together to make a remix or something. > > You are confusing Fedora with a company. T

Re: Please unpush FEDORA-2016-7776983633 on all releases or drop support for libjasper

2016-09-14 Thread Bill Nottingham
Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) said: > On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 08:50:49PM +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: > > before pushing the next update? Three people gave the update positive > > karma and I can't believe all three did so without actually opening a > > JPEG-2000 image in any GTK-using

Re: Fedora development of Snap packages

2016-06-15 Thread Bill Nottingham
Neal Gompa (ngomp...@gmail.com) said: > And frankly, if you're trying to solve delivering software in a > cross-distro fashion, you're doing it wrong. Take for example how RPMs > "work": packages are generated with a set of generic dependencies > based on the symbols of libraries and programs. The

Re: introducing curl-minimal and libcurl-minimal RPM packages

2016-03-19 Thread Bill Nottingham
Kamil Dudka (kdu...@redhat.com) said: > Are you reading it from the specfile? > > It is just an implementation detail of the packaging (the RemovePathPostfixes > feature of rpm). The string you mentioned neither appears in the SONAME, nor > in any file installed by the RPMs in question. ...

Re: introducing curl-minimal and libcurl-minimal RPM packages

2016-03-19 Thread Bill Nottingham
Kamil Dudka (kdu...@redhat.com) said: > On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 16:19:23 Bill Nottingham wrote: > > Kamil Dudka (kdu...@redhat.com) said: > > > Are you reading it from the specfile? > > > > > > It is just an implementation detail of the packaging (the

Re: introducing curl-minimal and libcurl-minimal RPM packages

2016-03-19 Thread Bill Nottingham
Kamil Dudka (kdu...@redhat.com) said: > > - "Minimizing the fedora docker base image footprint" (by yanking dnf et.al. > > into a seprate container, making size of it much more irrelevant) - "DNF > > into C initiative started" (enabling a much larger depythoning that doesn't > > require differing

Re: introducing curl-minimal and libcurl-minimal RPM packages

2016-03-19 Thread Bill Nottingham
Kamil Dudka (kdu...@redhat.com) said: > > If you care about a consistent developer, user, and debugging experience > > regardless of mechanism of delivery, you wouldn't do this in the first > > place, or you'd change the global curl package. Either the features are > > important, or they aren't. >

Re: introducing curl-minimal and libcurl-minimal RPM packages

2016-03-19 Thread Bill Nottingham
Ville Skyttä (ville.sky...@iki.fi) said: > On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 6:36 PM, Kamil Dudka wrote: > > The curl and libcurl packages, which are both required by dnf, > > Hm, does dnf really require curl? On my F-23 box: > > $ rpm -e --test curl > error: Failed dependencies: > curl is needed by (ins

Orphaning: xchat-gnome

2016-02-26 Thread Bill Nottingham
Reasons: - it's effectively dead upstream (and has been for about 5 years...) - it has a variety of crashers I haven't gotten around to finding time to fix - I don't really use it any more anyways Suggestions: use hexchat, or polari, or irccloud, or really anything else. Or take it if you want

Re: three questions: f24 branch, python3 default, where to put /etc/rsyslog.d/gluster.conf.example

2016-02-24 Thread Bill Nottingham
Peter Robinson (pbrobin...@gmail.com) said: > > Yeah, this is because the Samba and FreeIPA packages didn't quite finish > > their python 3 conversion in time. By F25, we should be able to avoid > > shipping python 2 in the default installation of Fedora Server. > > Except if you want to use ansi

Re: Minimizing the fedora docker base image footprint

2016-02-22 Thread Bill Nottingham
Courtney Pacheco (cpach...@redhat.com) said: > Hi everyone, > > I've spent some time trying to minimize the footprint of the Fedora docker > base image. Overall, I managed to reduce its size by 39.9%. > > A summary of the work I did can be found here: > https://gist.github.com/iamcourtney/1a4af7

Re: F24 Self Contained Change: System Python

2016-02-10 Thread Bill Nottingham
Miro Hrončok (mhron...@redhat.com) said: > I had this in mind as well, but currently, this is not the part of the > change. Once we need this and we have system-python, we can propose a > system wide change that system-python is a different version. ... is the goal that the system-python is outsi

Re: On packager motivation

2016-02-03 Thread Bill Nottingham
Michael Schwendt (mschwe...@gmail.com) said: > > Sometimes a provenpackager will make a bad change, and that's > > unfortunate, but it happens. Sometimes package owners make bad changes > > too! :-) > > You're taking it too lightly. Somebody who performs version upgrades really > needs to take ca

Re: ZFS on linux

2016-01-14 Thread Bill Nottingham
Gerald B. Cox (gb...@bzb.us) said: > On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Stephen John Smoogen > wrote: > > > > > Here is a simple if then for figuring out how ZFS support may ever get > > into Fedora: > > > I originally believed it was simply a licensing issue that was preventing > the inclusion

Re: ansible in Fedora 23+ (python3)

2015-11-19 Thread Bill Nottingham
Till Maas (opensou...@till.name) said: > On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 04:00:41PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > OK - so what's the clear and non-controversial definition of "modules > > like 'file', 'template' and 'copy'"? What do those modules share in > > common that we can define clearly and c

Re: ansible in Fedora 23+ (python3)

2015-11-18 Thread Bill Nottingham
Adam Williamson (adamw...@fedoraproject.org) said: > > You really really want libselinux-python(2) for that as well - it's needed > > for any file/copy/templating you'd do on the node to ensure proper SELinux > > contexts. (In fact, Ansible will abort on the node without it if it detects > > SELin

Re: ansible in Fedora 23+ (python3)

2015-11-18 Thread Bill Nottingham
Adam Williamson (adamw...@fedoraproject.org) said: > On Tue, 2015-10-13 at 22:21 -0400, Dusty Mabe wrote: > > > > Does anyone have a good solution for this? Obviously it would be nice > > if ansible went to python3 but I think they have stated clearly that > > they are sticking with python2 for b

Re: ansible in Fedora 23+ (python3)

2015-10-20 Thread Bill Nottingham
Kevin Kofler (kevin.kof...@chello.at) said: > Fabio Alessandro Locati wrote: > > Also, the problem is that RedHat still supports RHEL5 systems which > > for today standards are totally legacy and therefore it has to run on > > Python 2.4. > > The point of forking would be that the fork wouldn't h

Re: ansible in Fedora 23+ (python3)

2015-10-15 Thread Bill Nottingham
Robert Kuska (rku...@redhat.com) said: > > > Yes, DNF module works for ansible from the box. We worked at it for > > > some time: https://github.com/ansible/ansible-modules-extras/pull/527 > > > > ...with the caveat from the first post in this thread: You will need to > > have the python2 dnf bin

Re: comps packagereq items default to "mandatory"

2015-10-01 Thread Bill Nottingham
Orion Poplawski (or...@cora.nwra.com) said: > Almost none of those appear to be "Mandatory". > > We think this is becoming an issue now because it appears that dnf perhaps now > prevents kickstart installs from removing mandatory packages from the install > set. See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/s

Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-12 Thread Bill Nottingham
Adam Williamson (adamw...@fedoraproject.org) said: > > Similarly, if I'm developing some piece of software that embeds/uses > > PostgreSQL, I'm likely targeting multiple distributions, potentially > > including Fedora, CentOS, RHEL, Ubuntu, and more. Even if Postgres > > is a core > > well maintai

Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-11 Thread Bill Nottingham
Stephen Gallagher (sgall...@redhat.com) said: > Sorry, I was unclear. I do agree that once upon a time, this was > absolutely effective. I probably should have said something more along > the lines of what you did below; that the battlefield has changed and > our former tactics are no longer suffi

Re: Rawhide plans

2015-08-20 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jonathan Wakely (jwak...@redhat.com) said: > "Rawhide" already *perfectly* implies rolling to me. > > Rollin' rollin' rollin' though the streams are swollen. Nice to see tht some things survive, some 17 years on https://lwn.net/1998/0820/rawhide.html Bill -- devel mailing list devel@list

Re: Rawhide plans

2015-08-19 Thread Bill Nottingham
Rex Dieter (rdie...@math.unl.edu) said: > Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > * Matt opened a thread on the marketing list about renaming rawhide. It > > sounds like most people would prefer us to make the changes first, > > then and only then look at renaming. > > s/renaming/rebranding/ > > I personally

Re: Is it time to allow Chromium in Fedora?

2015-08-11 Thread Bill Nottingham
Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) said: > On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Gerald B. Cox wrote: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:No_Bundled_Libraries > > Meanwhile, on OS X I was already given notification of Firefox being > updated to 40.0.0 just a bit ago. And while I see Fir

Re: Validity of i686 as a release blocker

2015-08-04 Thread Bill Nottingham
Paul W. Frields (sticks...@gmail.com) said: > On Tue, Aug 04, 2015 at 09:47:27AM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > [...snip...] > > Perhaps it is time that we evaluate where i686 stands in Fedora more > > closely. For a starting suggestion, I would recommend that we do not > > treat it as a release bloc

Re: gross DNF bandwidth inefficiency if filesystem space limited

2015-08-03 Thread Bill Nottingham
Kevin Fenzi (ke...@scrye.com) said: > So, you are proposing we do things exactly as we are now, but also keep > around all previous copies of the packages in the repos (but not in the > repodata)? > > I'm not sure if that setup would work with dnf. I think it requires > whatever mirror(s) it use

Re: Pushing the extra AppData files into Rawhide

2015-03-31 Thread Bill Nottingham
David Timms (dti...@iinet.net.au) said: > On 01/04/15 00:34, Richard Hughes wrote: > > On 31 March 2015 at 14:07, David Timms wrote: > >> I see my package was adjusted, but I can't get it to build: > > > > I only build the new-enough libappstream-glib into rawhide -- seeing > > as most of the f2

Re: Why -mtune=atom?

2015-03-12 Thread Bill Nottingham
Florian Weimer (fwei...@redhat.com) said: > The default CFLAGS set by RPM include “-mtune-atom”. > > Why? I doubt Atom CPUs are Fedora's primary target. It's not even a > documented GCC option. There is such a wide variety of CPUs under this > label that it's not even clear what it would mean.

Re: Deleting f20-gnome-3-12 copr

2015-01-07 Thread Bill Nottingham
Pete Travis (li...@petetravis.com) said: > On Jan 7, 2015 6:00 AM, "Richard Hughes" wrote: > > > > I'm planning to delete > > https://copr.fedoraproject.org/coprs/rhughes/f20-gnome-3-12/ this > > week. The original description always had "This COPR will be updated > > until Fedora 21 has been rel

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

2015-01-07 Thread Bill Nottingham
Hedayat Vatankhah (hedayat@gmail.com) said: > > /*Bill Nottingham */ wrote on Tue, 6 Jan 2015 11:39:27 > -0500: > ><...> > >- Even searching for -devel packages implies a "target == host" build > > sensibility that is relevant mostly to those

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

2015-01-06 Thread Bill Nottingham
Andrew Lutomirski (l...@mit.edu) said: > On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 10:36 AM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > >> While I think you are right in some cases like cashier, isn't this > >> discussion really about the Fedora Workstation?! Since for this the > >> target user is a developer, can we just agree that

Re: How to handle upgrades to Fedora 21

2014-10-06 Thread Bill Nottingham
Stephen Gallagher (sgall...@redhat.com) said: > Rehashing the conversation elsewhere, the problem with DIY and similar > is that it doesn't make much sense in the context of Spins, which are > non-productized but not particularly do-it-yourself. While they're not DIY in the context of the initial

Re: Comps fails to validate (patch inside!)

2014-07-13 Thread Bill Nottingham
As the guilty party in many cases for not updating the .rng file... Kevin Fenzi (ke...@scrye.com) said: > > The comps-el4.xml.in and comps-el5.xml.in changes remove a nearly > > empty named "editors". The description claims that the group > > contains emacs and vi, but it doesn't. All it conta

Re: Cc: on dead packages

2014-06-30 Thread Bill Nottingham
Bastien Nocera (bnoc...@redhat.com) said: > Apparently, people can still file bugs for dead packages: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1114180 > > And I (and many others) get CC:ed on those bugs files, with > no possibility to remove ourselves from the CC: in pkgdb. > > Any idea whe

Re: comps categories: are they any use to anyone any more?

2014-06-21 Thread Bill Nottingham
Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) said: > Working on comps for the NetworkManager submodule change (see other > email) made me wonder: are the comps 'categories' actually used for > anything any more? > > I believe they were used in oldUI for presentation of the 'pick a > package' UI. We don'

Re: [RFC] plans for initscripts in F22

2014-04-28 Thread Bill Nottingham
Michael Scherer (m...@zarb.org) said: > > For LSB, there is an explicit promise that if a vendor does what is > > specified, the package will be possible to install and will run > > correctly. We do, of course, have the option to repudiate LSB and > > explicitly say we don't care for future relea

Re: [RFC] plans for initscripts in F22

2014-04-28 Thread Bill Nottingham
Lukáš Nykrýn (lnyk...@redhat.com) said: > >Also the sysctl stuff should be consumed by systemd: > >/usr/lib/sysctl.d/00-system.conf > >/etc/sysctl.conf > >/etc/sysctl.d/99-sysctl.conf > > > >Can we have a joint initscripts + systemd release in a few days to > >change ownership of those files? > >

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall

2014-04-22 Thread Bill Nottingham
Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) said: > AFAICS this discussion basically says "applications can't depend on > firewalld, therefore they can't use firewalld APIs, therefore they wouldn't > know whether the firewall restircts them, therefore firewalld must be > removed". > > The only given reason wh

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Ruby193 in SCL

2014-04-22 Thread Bill Nottingham
Marcela Mašláňová (mmasl...@redhat.com) said: > On 04/14/2014 10:17 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > >Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) said: > >>= Proposed System Wide Change: Ruby193 in SCL = > >>https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Ruby193_in_SCL > >> &g

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Cockpit Management Console

2014-04-22 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) said: > I think this definitely better way - not being as strict regarding > deadlines for Cockpit and get some test coverage during later Test > Day. I'd be fine with a later deadline for Cockpit if needed, especially since (from the feature page description)

Summary/Minutes for Wednesday's FESCo meeting (2014-04-16)

2014-04-16 Thread Bill Nottingham
=== #fedora-meeting: FESCo (2014-04-16) === Meeting started by notting at 17:01:57 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-04-16/fesco.2014-04-16-17.01.log.html . Meeting summary

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Remote Journal Logging

2014-04-16 Thread Bill Nottingham
Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek (zbys...@in.waw.pl) said: > On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 04:20:16PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) said: > > > = Proposed Self Contained Change: Remote Journal Logging = > > > https://fed

Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo meeting (2014-04-16)

2014-04-15 Thread Bill Nottingham
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting Wednesday at 17:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto or run: date -d '2014-04-16 17:00 UTC' Links to all tickets belo

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Ruby193 in SCL

2014-04-14 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) said: > = Proposed System Wide Change: Ruby193 in SCL = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Ruby193_in_SCL > > Change owner(s): Marcela Mašláňová > > Ruby 1.9.3 with Rails 3.2.8 is still commonly used by many projects. Let's > provide Ruby and Rails i

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Remote Journal Logging

2014-04-14 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) said: > = Proposed Self Contained Change: Remote Journal Logging = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Remote_Journal_Logging > > Change owner(s): Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > > Systemd journal can be configured to forward events to a remote server.

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Smaller Cloud Image Footprint

2014-04-14 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) said: > == Scope == > As mentioned, there's really various changes that are quite independent of > each other but share the common goal. > > * Proposal owners: > ** Replace NetworkManager, etc. with systemd-networkd. > ** Make sure only just kernel-core, not

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Fedora 21 Make 4.0 Update

2014-04-14 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) said: > == Scope == > * Proposal owners: > ** Rebase to make-4.0 > ** 6 patches need to be updated to work with new sources > ** 14 patches will be removed as they are already supported by the make-4.0 > rebase > ** make.spec will be updated > ** local build a

Re: appdata handling

2014-04-14 Thread Bill Nottingham
Richard Hughes (hughsi...@gmail.com) said: > > - How long does it take that the new appdata is propagated to gnome-software > > I do new builds nearly every day, but the builds that are shipped in > gnome-software and pushed to users is usually updated every month or > so. A FAQ related to this

Re: F21 System Wide Change: The securetty file is empty by default

2014-04-14 Thread Bill Nottingham
"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" (johan...@gmail.com) said: > So let's just clear this matter once and for all... > > Is the baseWG supposed to be responsible for the decisions and direction and > the length of maintenance of those 1806 components they self defined as a > part of the baseWG? In the same

Re: F21 System Wide Change: BerkeleyDB 6

2014-04-11 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) said: > == Scope == > * Proposal owners: Create new set of packages and introduce proper versioning > in order to not confuse the dynamic linker. Is this symbol versioning intended to be upstream? Bill -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org htt

Re: trimming down Fedora installed size

2014-04-10 Thread Bill Nottingham
James Antill (ja...@fedoraproject.org) said: > Not that I assume splitting lanauges and docs. into sub packages would > triple primary numbers, but if it did ... that would be bad. To put it in perspective, if we split out 'langpacks' for apps per language, something like gedit then grows *100*

Re: trimming down Fedora installed size

2014-04-09 Thread Bill Nottingham
Florian Festi (ffe...@redhat.com) said: > 1) Normal weak dependencies. In a normal install all the docs (and all > other bells and whistles) get installed by default. You can > remove/deselect packages which are pulled in by weak dependencies. You > can even switch off all weak dependencies to onl

Re: Schedule for Thursday's FPC Meeting (2014-04-10 16:00 UTC)

2014-04-09 Thread Bill Nottingham
James Antill (ja...@fedoraproject.org) said: > For more complete details, please visit each individual ticket. The > report of the agenda items can be found at: > > https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/report/12 > > > If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can reply to > this e-mail,

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Framework for Server Role Deployment

2014-04-08 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) said: > = Proposed System Wide Change: Framework for Server Role Deployment = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/FrameworkForServerRoleDeployment > > Change owner(s): Miloslav Trmač , Fedora Server Working > Group > Responsible WG: Server > > A new

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: NFS Ganesha File Server

2014-04-02 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) said: > = Proposed Self Contained Change: NFS Ganesha File Server = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NFSGanesha > > Change owner(s): Jim Lieb > > NFS Ganesha is a user mode file server that supports NFSv3, NFSv4, and > NFSv4.1 > including pNFS for

Re: F21 System Wide Change: lbzip2 as default bzip2 implementation

2014-04-02 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) said: > = Proposed System Wide Change: lbzip2 as default bzip2 implementation = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/lbzip2 > > Change owner(s): Mikolaj Izdebski > > This change aims at making lbzip2 [1] default bzip2 implementation used in > Fedora.

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part II, “What’s Happening?”)

2014-04-01 Thread Bill Nottingham
Richard W.M. Jones (rjo...@redhat.com) said: > It wasn't about whether VLC could go into Fedora, but if there going > to be a ring, with the Fedora name, where basically anything goes > including software of insalubrious legality (in the US). And I guess > the answer is no. Correct - the relaxin

Re: Heads up: Mesa/LLVM rebase and OpenGTL retirement in F20

2014-03-28 Thread Bill Nottingham
Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) said: > On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 11:37:24AM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: > > It might be nice if Fedora adopted the common practice (among other OSes > > with interface assurances) of at least attempting to define stability > > levels. Whose action item woul

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Apache Mesos

2014-03-28 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) said: > - Original Message - > > Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) said: > > > = Proposed Self Contained Change: Apache Mesos = > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ApacheMesos > > > > > > Change owner(s): Timothy St. Clair > > > > > > Apa

Re: Heads up: Mesa/LLVM rebase and OpenGTL retirement in F20

2014-03-28 Thread Bill Nottingham
Adam Jackson (a...@redhat.com) said: > On Fri, 2014-03-28 at 07:39 -0400, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > > +1 > > > > And yep, it should go to FESCo - this has much more bigger scope than 10.0.3 > > due to LLVM update. You know I'm more than ok with updates to Fn-1 but this > > one should be coordin

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Apache Mesos

2014-03-26 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) said: > = Proposed Self Contained Change: Apache Mesos = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ApacheMesos > > Change owner(s): Timothy St. Clair > > Apache Mesos [1] is a cluster manager for sharing distributed application > frameworks. This change brin

Re: F21 System Wide Change: PrivateDevices=yes and PrivateNetwork=yes For Long-Running Services

2014-03-26 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) said: > = Proposed System Wide Change: PrivateDevices=yes and PrivateNetwork=yes For > Long-Running Services = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/PrivateDevicesAndPrivateNetwork > > Change owner(s): Lennart Poettering , Dan > Walsh, Kay Sievers > > Le

Re: Maybe it's time to get rid of tcpwrappers/tcpd?

2014-03-24 Thread Bill Nottingham
Lennart Poettering (mzerq...@0pointer.de) said: > this through... I'd be happy though if somebody else would pick this > up. Looking at the current FESCO members I am not entirely sure though > whether a proposal to disable libwrap would have a chance in the current > cycle though. (also, M. Mille

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Ruby on Rails 4.1

2014-03-19 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) said: > * Other developers: Update Rails dependent packages to be working with Ruby > on > Rails 4.1 Looking at the repo, the only toplevel 'app' that this would appear to cover would be OpenShift Origin, which is already called out on the feature page? Bi

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Security Policy In The Installer

2014-03-16 Thread Bill Nottingham
Vratislav Podzimek (vpodz...@redhat.com) said: > Thanks for your feedback, it definitely is constructive! I've recorded a > video preview demostrating the feature's functionality. Hope that > answers at least some of your and others' questions. > > https://vimeo.com/89243587 So, having watched t

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Security Policy In The Installer

2014-03-14 Thread Bill Nottingham
Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) said: > There are two ways to avoid this limitation and get better security: either > be a security expert or paranoid yourself (and in that case you don't need > anaconda's handholding), or have an expert (that you trust or have to > listen to) make an informed choi

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Security Policy In The Installer

2014-03-14 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jan Lieskovsky (jlies...@redhat.com) said: > > Is any Fedora 21 product targeted > > mainly for enterprise deployment? > > The vice versa view. Rather effort to use security configuration, > vulnerability and patch > management also in Fedora product(s) (provide necessary tools to allow it). >

Re: Per-Product Config file divergence

2014-03-10 Thread Bill Nottingham
Toshio Kuratomi (a.bad...@gmail.com) said: > At last week's FESCo meeting, the fact that Products desired to have > divergent configuration was briefly touched on. On Thursday, a few FPC > members had a brainstorming session about it and on Friday, sgallagh and > that brainstorming continued with

Re: [Guidelines Change] Changes to the Packaging Guidelines

2014-03-10 Thread Bill Nottingham
Tom Callaway (tcall...@redhat.com) said: > As part of the ongoing effort to update the guidelines for an eventual > change from python2 to python3 as the default python we're promoting use > of %{python2}, %{python2_sitelib}, and %{python2_sitearch} instead of > the unversioned %{python}, %{python

Re: Proposal: Don't show applications in the software center with XPM icons

2014-03-07 Thread Bill Nottingham
Richard Hughes (hughsi...@gmail.com) said: > On 6 March 2014 18:51, Tim Lauridsen wrote: > > Not showing app, because they have bad looking icons, seems like a bad idea > > to me. > > I'm not sure anyone will be surprised in my goal of making the > applications we show users have high quality co

Re: hierarchical comps groups proposal

2014-03-05 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jens Petersen (peter...@redhat.com) said: > > (I'm not going to contribute actual work on this anyway, but) do we actually > > need that complexity? > > I am not sure how complex it is. As Ales pointed out > it might allow us to remove environment groups for example > so it might actually simplif

Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2014-03-05)

2014-03-05 Thread Bill Nottingham
=== #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2014-03-05) === Meeting started by sgallagh at 17:59:49 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-03-05/fesco.2014-03-05-17.59.log.html . Meeting summary --

Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2014-03-05)

2014-03-04 Thread Bill Nottingham
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting Wednesday at 18:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto or run: date -d '2014-03-05 18:00 UTC' Links to all tickets below

Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical Specification

2014-02-28 Thread Bill Nottingham
Josh Boyer (jwbo...@fedoraproject.org) said: > > Basically, what I'm saying is that if Desktop would be OK with using > > xfs-on-LVM as default with all choices demoted to custom partitioning > > (no dropdown), as Server has currently agreed on, that'd be great. Or if > > we could otherwise achiev

Re: F21 System Wide Change: System-wide crypto policy

2014-02-28 Thread Bill Nottingham
Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos (n...@redhat.com) said: > On Thu, 2014-02-27 at 11:52 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > > == Detailed Description == > > > The idea is to have some predefined security levels such as LEVEL-80, > > > LEVEL-128, LEVEL-256, > > > or

Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical Specification

2014-02-27 Thread Bill Nottingham
Stephen Gallagher (sgall...@redhat.com) said: > Directed more broadly at all three products: > > Formal proposal (for discussion): All three products agree to use ext4 > for /boot and XFS-on-LVM for all other partitions in the "guided" > mode. All is fair game in the "custom" mode. > > Also, for

Re: F21 System Wide Change: System-wide crypto policy

2014-02-27 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) said: > = Proposed System Wide Change: System-wide crypto policy = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/CryptoPolicy > > Change owner(s): Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos > > Unify the crypto policies used by different applications and libraries. That > is > al

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's (today's) FESCo Meeting (2014-02-19)

2014-02-19 Thread Bill Nottingham
Tomas Mraz (tm...@redhat.com) said: > Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo > meeting Wednesday at 18:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. > > To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto > > or run: > date

Re: f20, anaconda, net install and video out of range ....

2014-02-07 Thread Bill Nottingham
Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) said: > On Mon, 2014-02-03 at 14:28 -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: > > > > Why would it not install xorg-x11-drv-cirrus when it sees the physical > > > card? > > > > We don't have anything like the kernel's modaliases for X drivers, at > > least not exposed in a

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-02-05 Thread Bill Nottingham
Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) said: > On Tue, Feb 04, 2014 at 08:48:12AM -0500, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > > I'd also like to see some of the restrictions on spins loosened a little > > > bit. I think the spin/remix distinction (Fedora-only software vs. combined > > > with other things

FESCo announces acceptance of Fedora.next PRDs

2014-02-04 Thread Bill Nottingham
it can be. Bill Nottingham, on behalf of FESCo ___ devel-announce mailing list devel-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel-announce -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jiri Eischmann (eischm...@redhat.com) said: > > That being said, as we go forward as Fedora.NEXT, we start to > > see more > > clearly defined divisions between Products, Spins and Remixes. > > Since > > these discussions needed to happen, we (FESCo) felt it

Re: Looking for crypto ciphers being used.

2014-01-29 Thread Bill Nottingham
Eric H. Christensen (spa...@fedoraproject.org) said: > I'm trying to figure out how to catalog what packages are using what > cryptographic ciphers within Fedora (specifically RC4). Does anyone know > of a good way of figuring that out? I'm imagining some dystopia where every imported and rebase

Re: Shipping package metadata in a package

2014-01-24 Thread Bill Nottingham
Richard Hughes (hughsi...@gmail.com) said: > I'm after some advice / ideas. When you install Fedora 20/21 and then > launch gnome-software it has to go and download some metadata before > it can show anything. This is a pretty bad first experience, > considering subsequent runs of gnome-software j

Re: I want to turn on a part of the kernel to make SELinux checking more stringent.

2014-01-24 Thread Bill Nottingham
Daniel J Walsh (dwa...@redhat.com) said: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > I wrote a systemd unit file to enable it, and to allow a user to disable the > feature if he wants. ... why is this not a sysctl? Bill -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admi

Re: Fedora.next in 2014 -- Big Picture and Themes

2014-01-23 Thread Bill Nottingham
Josh Boyer (jwbo...@fedoraproject.org) said: > I wasn't being dismissive. I have seen no plans to alter the core of > how Fedora, at a package level, is built. In fact, if I did see a > proposal that said "we're not going to ship repositories or RPMs" I'd > be pretty damned upset, and I wouldn't

[perl-HTML-TableExtract] Fix requires.

2014-01-23 Thread Bill Nottingham
Summary of changes: f5efb4b... Fix requires. (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailm

[perl-HTML-TableExtract/epel7] (3 commits) ...Fix requires.

2014-01-23 Thread Bill Nottingham
Summary of changes: 51dda63... Perl 5.18 rebuild (*) 567181b... - Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_20_Mass (*) f5efb4b... Fix requires. (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extra

Re: Environment and Stacks PRD

2014-01-21 Thread Bill Nottingham
Marcela Mašláňová (mmasl...@redhat.com) said: > Environment and Stacks Working Group approved the first version of > PRD. Feel free to comment what is missing or what should be altered. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Env_and_Stacks/Product_Requirements_Document I don't see anything necessari

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