Bug 2381934 - Non-responsive maintainer check for

2025-07-18 Thread Gerald B. Cox
I've created a non-responsive maintainer check for: Robert-André Mauchin I need to get gtiocompressor in rawhide. This is part of my effort to get cantata built for qt6 and also get that pushed to rawhide. Rex Dieter is the maintainer for that package, and I've created a non-responsive mainta

Re: Non-responsive maintainer rdieter

2025-07-16 Thread Gerald B. Cox
I've initiated a request also here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2381541 Has anyone been able to contact Rex? -- ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org

Orphaning fedora-business-cards

2024-11-29 Thread Gerald B. Cox
Package uses old fedora account system https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=237 -- ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://do

Re: F42 Change Proposal: Fedora Plasma Workstation (System-Wide)

2024-04-03 Thread Gerald B. Cox
From what I've been reading it seems the path of least resistance is to just keep the Fedora Workstation branding and have two options: GNOME or KDE Plasma. I don't believe that it should be overly confusing to ask people to pick one. I just asked Google Gemini to come up with a suggestion an

Re: It’s time to transform the Fedora devel list into something new

2023-04-26 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 4/26/23 16:04, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: On 20/04/2023 23:20, Matthew Miller wrote: It’s time to transform the Fedora devel list into something new I think such serious questions should be put to a vote. Not a FESCo vote, but a vote for all Fedora contributors (can be combined with

Re: Orphaned: kitty

2023-04-04 Thread Ian B via devel
Thanks Pavel, and thankyou to the previous maintainer for their efforts. On Tuesday, 4 April 2023 at 09:18:32 pm AEST, Major Hayden via devel wrote: On Mon, Apr 3, 2023, at 18:32, Pavel Solovev wrote: > I'm packaging required go dependencies and I'll grab it. Thank you, Pavel! ;) -- M

Orphaned: kitty

2023-04-03 Thread Ian B via devel
The previous maintainer orphaned Kitty terminal package on 29th March 2023. See: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2165819 https://sw.kovidgoyal.net/kitty/ ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to

FYI... yubioath-desktop is slated to be removed from F38 repository

2023-01-19 Thread Gerald B. Cox
yubioath-desktop and potentially yubikey-manager-qt will not be included in the F38 repository due to packaging issues. For additional information and suggested mitigations, please review: https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/f38-yubioath-desktop-yubikey-manager-qt-will-no-longer-be-available

Re: F38 proposal: Unified Kernel Support Phase 1 (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-12-24 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 12/22/22 15:39, Lennart Poettering wrote: Well, the thing is: a chain of trust is a*chain*, hence you must ultimately hook validation to what the firmware provides you with as root. And that ultimately is the SecureBoot db on commodity hardware. Well, the thing with a chain of trust is the

Re: F38 proposal: Unified Kernel Support Phase 1 (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-12-23 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 12/20/22 21:27, Simo Sorce wrote: Finally, unless this proposal harms Fedora I do not see why oppose it. If, as you fear, it won't work ... then it won't and we'll try something else. You do realize that the day that Lenovo started to sell it's hardware with Fedora pre-installed ( as it w

Re: Would it be useful to have a video call to discuss the "Deprecate Legacy BIOS" Change proposal?

2022-04-14 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 15.4.2022 00:44, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: One of the reasons people use GNU/Linux is exactly to escape the hardware manufacturers' planned obsolescence treadmill. True but that does not mean Fedora is the best distro for that + it looks like hw vendors are taking lessons from the Apple

Re: Would it be useful to have a video call to discuss the "Deprecate Legacy BIOS" Change proposal?

2022-04-14 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 14.4.2022 23:25, Nikolay Nikolov wrote: On 4/15/22 01:53, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 14.4.2022 22:24, Nikolay Nikolov wrote: On 4/14/22 23:49, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 14.4.2022 18:20, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Robbie Harwood said: Given there is consensus that

Re: Would it be useful to have a video call to discuss the "Deprecate Legacy BIOS" Change proposal?

2022-04-14 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 15.4.2022 00:38, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Trying to support that legacy scenario where certain hw may or may not work is a nightmare for developers, support teams and Fedora since Fedora is not a distribution with a long term support, LTS distributions are

Re: Would it be useful to have a video call to discuss the "Deprecate Legacy BIOS" Change proposal?

2022-04-14 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
is response to me in private when I exposed him last time here on devel. "little idiot: the Fedora COC don't apply for pruvate mails just because the topic is fedora relevant" On 14.4.2022 21:46, Reindl Harald (privat) wrote: Am 14.04.22 um 22:49 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmund

Re: Would it be useful to have a video call to discuss the "Deprecate Legacy BIOS" Change proposal?

2022-04-14 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 14.4.2022 22:24, Nikolay Nikolov wrote: On 4/14/22 23:49, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 14.4.2022 18:20, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Robbie Harwood said: Given there is consensus that legacy BIOS is on its way out I don't think this statement is true, unless Fedora do

Re: Would it be useful to have a video call to discuss the "Deprecate Legacy BIOS" Change proposal?

2022-04-14 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 14.4.2022 18:29, Peter Boy wrote: Maybe "legacy BIOS on physical hardware" is on its way out, but it doesn't seem that it is true across the board in VM environments. That’s maybe true for desktops, but in the server world any server needs to be able to do bios boot, because of the data ce

Re: Would it be useful to have a video call to discuss the "Deprecate Legacy BIOS" Change proposal?

2022-04-14 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 14.4.2022 18:20, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Robbie Harwood said: Given there is consensus that legacy BIOS is on its way out I don't think this statement is true, unless Fedora doesn't want to be considered for a bunch of popular VM hosts (e.g. Linode and such) that have no stated

Re: Would it be useful to have a video call to discuss the "Deprecate Legacy BIOS" Change proposal?

2022-04-14 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 14.4.2022 16:38, Ben Beasley wrote: I’m not talking about refurbished parts or new old stock. I’m talking about the brand-new SATA HDDs and SSDs, ATX power supplies, case fans, and other components that are backwards-compatible in systems pushing twenty years old (SATA) or older (PSUs, fans

Re: Would it be useful to have a video call to discuss the "Deprecate Legacy BIOS" Change proposal?

2022-04-14 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 14.4.2022 15:53, Peter Boy wrote: Am 14.04.2022 um 17:33 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson : It should be quite apparent prevent the hw support lifecycle dialog from ever occurring again we need a rigid planned supported hw lifecycle. Again, the legacy BIOS discussion is not about hardware

Re: Would it be useful to have a video call to discuss the "Deprecate Legacy BIOS" Change proposal?

2022-04-14 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 14.4.2022 14:07, Martin Jackson wrote: In many industrial and retail use cases, 10 years is the low end. 3-5 years is an accounting timeline (for depreciation) not necessarily the useful life of the asset. If the asset can be used after it’s done depreciating that is a bonus for the company

Re: Would it be useful to have a video call to discuss the "Deprecate Legacy BIOS" Change proposal?

2022-04-14 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 14.4.2022 13:09, Ben Beasley wrote: For desktop-class hardware, the parts that are most likely to fail around the decade mark are storage drives, power supplies, and perhaps fans. All of these are fully standardized and in plentiful supply; there is no reason that first-party hardware vendor

Re: Would it be useful to have a video call to discuss the "Deprecate Legacy BIOS" Change proposal?

2022-04-14 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 14.4.2022 12:18, JadoNena via devel wrote: But for here we deal with the real world where budgets require plans and hardware exists for years. If you are dealing with the real world with real businesses then you should be aware of the fact that businesses are usually on a 3 - 5 year hw r

Re: Would it be useful to have a video call to discuss the "Deprecate Legacy BIOS" Change proposal?

2022-04-14 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 14.4.2022 11:42, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: For example EU has regulation that requires vendors to have spare parts available for 7–10 years after date of manufacturing so it makes sense for the project to support hw no longer than a decade from the date of

Re: Would it be useful to have a video call to discuss the "Deprecate Legacy BIOS" Change proposal?

2022-04-14 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 14.4.2022 11:53, Peter Boy wrote: Am 14.04.2022 um 12:57 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson : For example EU has regulation that requires vendors to have spare parts available for 7–10 years after date of manufacturing so it makes sense for the project to support hw no longer than a decade

Re: Would it be useful to have a video call to discuss the "Deprecate Legacy BIOS" Change proposal?

2022-04-14 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 14.4.2022 09:17, Tomasz Torcz wrote: On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 10:01:30AM +0200, Ralf Corsépius wrote: Am 13.04.22 um 20:05 schrieb David Cantrell: The Legacy BIOS SIG is a good proposal to handle this sort of ongoing work in Fedora. I do not agree with this statement. Like previous "Legac

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-14 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 14.4.2022 02:23, Demi Marie Obenour wrote: On 4/13/22 17:11, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 13.4.2022 08:04, David Bold wrote: It seems I must be missing something? Why should we not care about a significant number of our users, just because other OSs have more users? Could you explain

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-13 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 13.4.2022 08:04, David Bold wrote: It seems I must be missing something? Why should we not care about a significant number of our users, just because other OSs have more users? Could you explain that? First of all this is not significant number of Fedora's users ( or in the overall deskt

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-12 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 12.4.2022 20:44, Mark Otaris wrote: Your calculations have to be off; I’m pretty sure there are way more than 100 Fedora users with a Nvidia GPU. The Linux Hardware Project alone reports 106 Fedora users with Nvidia GPUs (which is actually 29% of their sample) so that’s a hard minimum: http

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-12 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 12.4.2022 00:24, Mark Otaris wrote: However, the majority of Linux PC users *must* step out of the happy path to get their hardware working for two cases: * NVIDIA graphics * Broadcom wireless In the Firefox Public Data Report, GPU vendor is 69% Intel, 13% Nvidia, 13% AMD, 5% other. I don’t

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

2020-12-28 Thread Gerald B. Cox
I really don't see we have much of a choice here. X11 is eventually going away and Wayland is the path forward. That's already been decided, so at this point it isn't a matter for debate. Human nature being what it is, people tend to procrastinate and not do anything until pressed up against

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-10-20 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 19.10.2020 17:25, Michael Catanzaro wrote: On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 8:16 pm, Arnoldas Skinderis wrote: I'am also have Thikpads and MSI running BIOS and some of those machines  still are the beast in some terms. Dropping BIOS would pretty much force me to use something else. I don't want to

Re: Looking for new Python package maintainers

2020-09-13 Thread Dhanesh B. Sabane
. Will try to continue my activity there. I'm not a part of the ambassadors group though. -- Dhanesh B. Sabane https://dhanesh95.gitlab.io PGP ID: 0xB69A98C9C1642329 Fingerprint: 9655 11F2 0D18 E76A 2396 D64D B69A 98C9 C164 2329 ___ devel mailing list --

Re: Looking for new Python package maintainers

2020-09-12 Thread Dhanesh B. Sabane
Hey Michel, > I'll take python-lupa > > Thanks for your work over the years, and hope you at least remain a > user, I've provided you admin access for python-lupa. Thank you so much for taking it up! :) I'll definitely remain a user and will try to help out with evangelism. I hope I'll get en

Re: Looking for new Python package maintainers

2020-09-12 Thread Dhanesh B. Sabane
Hey Andy! > On Mon, 7 Sep 2020 at 07:44, Dhanesh B. Sabane wrote: > > If there are no takers, I'd like to maintain the python-blindspinner > package. I see there is some room to bring in its "click" dependencies. I've provided you admin access on python-bli

Re: Looking for new Python package maintainers

2020-09-07 Thread Dhanesh B. Sabane
Hey Pruthvi, > I am looking for packages to maintain and this would help a lot. > Do let me know the package that you'd like to maintain and I'll add you as a co-maintainer for it. Have a good one! Cheers! Dhanesh Sabane ___ devel mailing list -- d

Re: Looking for new Python package maintainers

2020-09-07 Thread Dhanesh B. Sabane
Hello Lumir, > I'd like to maintain: > > python-first > python-pipdeptree > python-pipreqs > python-yarg > > These are dependencies of pipenv we (@python-sig) maintain so please add > me as an admin and this group as co-maintainer. > I've added you as admin and @python-sig as committer for th

Looking for new Python package maintainers

2020-09-06 Thread Dhanesh B. Sabane
nesh95/projects Please let me know if anyone would like to take these up by replying to this email. I'll orphan all the packages that don't attract a maintainer till Sunday, 13th Sept 2020. Cheers! -- Dhanesh B. Sabane https://dhanesh95.gitlab.io PGP ID: 0xB69A98C9C1642329 Fingerprint: 9655

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-06 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 6.7.2020 12:07, Tomasz Torcz wrote: On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 01:31:30PM +0200, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: The BIOS provides block device access at sector level, so the boot loader has little choice but implementing drivers for all kinds of stuff. Or use fragile block lists like lilo did in the last

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-06 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 6.7.2020 18:39, Javier Martinez Canillas wrote: On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 10:39 AM Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 5.7.2020 18:34, Javier Martinez Canillas wrote: On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 6:27 PM Lennart Poettering wrote: [snip] Please submit additions to the spec as PRs to systemd github

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-06 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 5.7.2020 19:31, Solomon Peachy wrote: On Sun, Jul 05, 2020 at 07:18:47PM -, Tom Seewald wrote: In terms of physical x86 systems, you are right that UEFI is the overwhelming majority. But as stated elsewhere in this thread, a lot of cloud providers and virtualization software default to us

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-06 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 5.7.2020 18:34, Javier Martinez Canillas wrote: On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 6:27 PM Lennart Poettering wrote: [snip] Please submit additions to the spec as PRs to systemd github. We added a number of new keys in the past that sd-boot itself doesn't make use of (devicetree and such), and we'd be

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-02 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 2.7.2020 10:16, nick...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 2020-07-01 at 21:14 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Solomon Peachy writes: Even putting that aside, for the past several years CSM/BIOS has been slowly bitrotting due to a lack of real testing, as the last few Windows releases have mandated use

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 2.7.2020 01:42, Neal Gompa wrote: On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:23 PM Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 2.7.2020 01:06, Neal Gompa wrote: On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:03 PM Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 1.7.2020 23:28, Neal Gompa wrote: On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 7:19 PM Björn Persson wrote

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 2.7.2020 01:06, Neal Gompa wrote: On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:03 PM Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 1.7.2020 23:28, Neal Gompa wrote: On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 7:19 PM Björn Persson wrote: Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: More user friendly than Grub ( has lilo like interface easier to change

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 1.7.2020 23:28, Neal Gompa wrote: On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 7:19 PM Björn Persson wrote: Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: More user friendly than Grub ( has lilo like interface easier to change kernel entry, which goes nicely with the default editor change ) This made me go "What?!". I

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 1.7.2020 23:18, Björn Persson wrote: Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: More user friendly than Grub ( has lilo like interface easier to change kernel entry, which goes nicely with the default editor change ) This made me go "What?!". I used Lilo back in the day. Its user interface w

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-01 Thread Gerald B. Cox
> On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 7:54 PM Gerald B. Cox > I'm wondering, how do you actually want to define a "production > release" of a kernel module? > Does being part of an upstream kernel release (not in staging modules) > not qualify? > Because that's already

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 1.7.2020 21:50, Neal Gompa wrote: On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 5:29 PM Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 1.7.2020 21:00, Neal Gompa wrote: On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:34 PM Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 1.7.2020 16:10, Solomon Peachy wrote: On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 05:19:01PM +0200, Roberto

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 1.7.2020 21:39, Ricky Zhang wrote: I second your point. I don't see any upside to discontinue support of legacy BIOS. Even my latest machine support legacy BIOS. UEFI caused more headache to me than bringing in any real positive user experiences. What headache exactly? You had bad user ex

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 1.7.2020 20:31, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 6/30/20 3:34 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Given Hans proposal [1] introduced systemd/grub2/Gnome upstream changes it beg the question if now would not be the time to stop supporting booting in legacy bios mode and move to uefi only supported

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 1.7.2020 21:00, Neal Gompa wrote: On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:34 PM Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 1.7.2020 16:10, Solomon Peachy wrote: On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 05:19:01PM +0200, Roberto Ragusa wrote: I'm currently using BIOS, grub, grub2 basically everywhere, even on fresh new mac

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 1.7.2020 17:17, Peter Robinson wrote: The use of legacy or uefi are changes that users have to manually change themselves in their bios from manufactures default settings. There is no tool that can do that for them or migrate those settings however users should be able to change this for hardw

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 1.7.2020 16:10, Solomon Peachy wrote: On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 05:19:01PM +0200, Roberto Ragusa wrote: I'm currently using BIOS, grub, grub2 basically everywhere, even on fresh new machines, This won't be the case for much longer; Intel will finally drop CSM ("BIOS") support this year. Even

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 1.7.2020 09:36, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Di, 30.06.20 19:15, Gerd Hoffmann (kra...@redhat.com) wrote: Hi, So I can't say I'm thrilled about a future that depends on EFI for virt, but I'm resigned to the fact this is the direction the world is taking. So we're not likely to have any

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-06-30 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 30.6.2020 22:38, Kevin Kofler wrote: Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: sd-boot is already installed on end users system, is light weight compared to Grub ( sd-boot only supports uefi,smaller code size, easier to maintain ). And that is exactly the problem, systemd-boot has only a small fraction

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-06-30 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 30.6.2020 22:31, nick...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 2020-06-30 at 21:55 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 30.6.2020 21:14, nick...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 2020-06-30 at 20:32 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Grub discourages users who have tried sd-boot from coming/returning to

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-06-30 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 30.6.2020 21:14, nick...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 2020-06-30 at 20:32 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Grub discourages users who have tried sd-boot from coming/returning to Fedora [1]. Bottom line I think this will be a good move for the distribution and a good time to start looking

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-06-30 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 30.6.2020 19:22, Robbie Harwood wrote: Jóhann B. Guðmundsson writes: On 30.6.2020 17:49, John M. Harris Jr wrote: On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 6:34:27 AM MST Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Given Hans proposal [1] introduced systemd/grub2/Gnome upstream changes it beg the question if now would

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-06-30 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 30.6.2020 18:32, John M. Harris Jr wrote: On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 11:29:13 AM MST Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 30.6.2020 17:49, John M. Harris Jr wrote: On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 6:34:27 AM MST Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Given Hans proposal [1] introduced systemd/grub2/Gnome

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-06-30 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 30.6.2020 18:45, Reindl Harald (privat) wrote: Am 30.06.20 um 20:29 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: On 30.6.2020 17:49, John M. Harris Jr wrote: On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 6:34:27 AM MST Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Given Hans proposal [1] introduced systemd/grub2/Gnome upstream changes it

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-06-30 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 30.6.2020 17:49, John M. Harris Jr wrote: On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 6:34:27 AM MST Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Given Hans proposal [1] introduced systemd/grub2/Gnome upstream changes it beg the question if now would not be the time to stop supporting booting in legacy bios mode and move to

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-06-30 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 30.6.2020 17:47, Robbie Harwood wrote: Jóhann B. Guðmundsson writes: On 30.6.2020 13:56, Igor Raits wrote: On Tue, 2020-06-30 at 13:34 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Given Hans proposal [1] introduced systemd/grub2/Gnome upstream changes it beg the question if now would not be the

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-06-30 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 30.6.2020 17:15, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: Hi, So I can't say I'm thrilled about a future that depends on EFI for virt, but I'm resigned to the fact this is the direction the world is taking. So we're not likely to have any choice and will have to work to mitigate any downsides it brings. Rig

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-06-30 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 30.6.2020 14:27, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 04:00:00PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: * Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: Given Hans proposal [1] introduced systemd/grub2/Gnome upstream changes it beg the question if now would not be the time to stop supporting booting in legacy

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-06-30 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 30.6.2020 14:18, Tom Hughes via devel wrote: On 30/06/2020 14:56, Igor Raits wrote: I think there are many people still install OS in the legacy mode, but I don't really have numbers. One thing we should definitely do if we deprecate legacy BIOS is to properly warn users that still use this

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-06-30 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 30.6.2020 13:56, Igor Raits wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Tue, 2020-06-30 at 13:34 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Given Hans proposal [1] introduced systemd/grub2/Gnome upstream changes it beg the question if now would not be the time to stop supporting

The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-06-30 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
ments on how such move might affect you so feedback can be collected for the future on why such a change might be bad, how it might affect the distribution and scope of such change can be determined for potential system wide proposal. Regards Jóhann B. 1. https://fedoraprojec

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-06-28 Thread Gerald B. Cox
0 at 3:00 PM Justin Forbes wrote: > On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 5:17 PM Gerald B. Cox wrote: > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 2:30 PM Chris Murphy > wrote: > >> > >> On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 2:53 PM Gerald B. Cox wrote: > >> &g

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-06-28 Thread Gerald B. Cox
t;silly you... BTRFS should only be used in non-critical systems - if you're concerned about stability you shouldn't be running it." ===> If we are considering BTRFS as a default, at a bare minimum there should be an official production release from the project. On Sun, Jun 28,

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-06-27 Thread Gerald B. Cox
On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 5:04 PM Chris Murphy wrote: > > But if you can state clearly why it isn't persuasive in a way anyone > could possibly answer, I'm sure someone will try. And it would help > improve the proposal. > Making something the default is a high bar to clear. There needs to be a c

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-06-27 Thread Gerald B. Cox
On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 2:30 PM Chris Murphy wrote: > On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 2:53 PM Gerald B. Cox wrote: > > > Why would we be installing something by default that has widely known > broken functionality? > > Because the default configuration we're using isn't

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-06-27 Thread Gerald B. Cox
On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 2:01 PM Josef Bacik wrote: > On 6/27/20 4:53 PM, Gerald B. Cox wrote: > > > > > > On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 1:23 PM Chris Murphy > <mailto:li...@colorremedies.com>> wrote: > > > > > > The proposal has n

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-06-27 Thread Gerald B. Cox
On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 1:23 PM Chris Murphy wrote: > > The proposal has nothing to do with raid56, let alone by default. The > installer doesn't offer it as an option. And it's not relevant to the > desktop. We're talking about single device btrfs file systems. > > Isn't the proposal talking ab

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-06-27 Thread Gerald B. Cox
I was an early adopter and used BTRFS for many years, singing its praises. I was particularly interested in the RAID capabilities. Then in 2016 the bomb was dropped that: "It turns out the RAID5 and RAID6 code for the Btrfs file-system's built-in RAID support is faulty and users should not be mak

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Fedora-Retired-Packages

2020-06-16 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 16.6.2020 21:44, Solomon Peachy wrote: "retired" tells you nothing more than "no longer packaged". "packaged" does not mean "maintained by fedora". It certianly doesn't mean "kept up to date with upstream releases" or "kept updated with security fixes" And "broken" in this context means not

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Fedora-Retired-Packages

2020-06-16 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 16.6.2020 20:22, Gerald Henriksen wrote: Given the number of cases of evil people getting access to computer systems, and the fallout of said attacks, any package left on a system after it no longer is being maintained is not only broken but a security risk. Unless the process and the approa

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Fedora-Retired-Packages

2020-06-16 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 16.6.2020 12:21, Kamil Paral wrote: I'd like Fedora systems to be transparent and honest. If some packages need to be removed, tell me about it, and ideally also tell me why (e.g. no longer maintained). If possible, tell me how to avoid it temporarily (it might be months or years, but unma

Re: New version of Copr

2019-09-05 Thread Gerald B. Cox
If I understand the discussion here: https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/can-the-copr-category-be-removed-from-the-latest-list/2420 Alot of the traffic can be dealt with using the "do not list this category in latest" function - and there will be an RFE for the "new" category. The one thing th

Re: Debates/back and forths

2019-09-03 Thread Gerald B. Cox
ohn Harris wrote: > On Sunday, September 1, 2019 6:22:04 AM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote: > > John you're comparing apples and oranges. One is active the other is > > passive. One uses your space allocation the other doesn't. > > Sorry, what? What space allocation? If

Re: Debates/back and forths

2019-09-01 Thread Gerald B. Cox
John you're comparing apples and oranges. One is active the other is passive. One uses your space allocation the other doesn't. On Sat, Aug 31, 2019, 19:07 John Harris wrote: > On Friday, August 30, 2019 5:40:22 AM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote: > > You just explained exactly w

Re: Debates/back and forths

2019-08-30 Thread Gerald B. Cox
On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 6:55 AM Chris Peters wrote: > > PS I won't take this thread any further. The irony of a back and forth in > the back and forth thread doesn't escape me! > > That's hilarious and true. I was thinking the exact same thing... ___ d

Re: Debates/back and forths

2019-08-30 Thread Gerald B. Cox
You just explained exactly why it was different ;-) On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 9:23 PM John Harris wrote: > On Wednesday, August 28, 2019 5:09:23 AM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote: > > It's somewhat ironic that Discourse would solve this issue. As I > > previously mentioned, I al

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-30 Thread Gerald B. Cox
I use the gmail android app and on desktop I use the gmail web interface. On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 3:19 PM Przemek Klosowski via devel < devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > On 8/27/19 8:36 PM, Gerald B. Cox wrote: > > Regarding NNTP I've haven't used newsreaders

Re: Error with fedpkg update

2019-08-29 Thread Gerald B. Cox
n Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 12:52 PM Iñaki Ucar wrote: > On Thu, 29 Aug 2019 at 17:36, Gerald B. Cox wrote: > > > > If I do that, I believe I get into a situation where the other builds > f29, f30 and F32 are behind, which if I remember correctly causes other > issues - and shoul

Re: Error with fedpkg update

2019-08-29 Thread Gerald B. Cox
Adam Williamson wrote: > On Thu, 2019-08-29 at 07:56 -0700, Gerald B. Cox wrote: > > Guys, I'm still getting this message: > > fedpkg update > > Could not execute update: Could not generate update request: Cannot find > > release associated with build: copyq-3.9.2-1.

Re: Error with fedpkg update

2019-08-29 Thread Gerald B. Cox
Guys, I'm still getting this message: fedpkg update Could not execute update: Could not generate update request: Cannot find release associated with build: copyq-3.9.2-1.fc31, tags: ['f31'] A copy of the filled in template is saved as bodhi.template.last I just checked bodhi and other packages are

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 31 Beta Freeze

2019-08-28 Thread Gerald B. Cox
I'm still getting these messages when I try to do "fedpkg update" for F31: fedpkg update Could not execute update: Could not generate update request: Cannot find release associated with build: copyq-3.9.2-1.fc31, tags: ['f31'] A copy of the filled in template is saved as bodhi.template.last On We

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-28 Thread Gerald B. Cox
Neal, while you're at it, can you find out what is going on with the RSS support. There was quite a bit of discussion about it - but that has been going on for years now and nothing seems to be happening. On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 11:49 AM Neal Gompa wrote: > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 2:31 PM Emman

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-28 Thread Gerald B. Cox
On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 1:40 AM Kevin Kofler wrote: > I wrote: > >> But what about the die-hard NNTP users? You entirely ignored my post to > >> which you are supposedly replying. > > Gerald B. Cox replied: > > I believe there is a plugin for that with Discourse:

Re: Debates/back and forths

2019-08-28 Thread Gerald B. Cox
It's somewhat ironic that Discourse would solve this issue. As I previously mentioned, I also don't like having my inbox flooded with forum threads that don't interest me. The mailing list solution requires you setup filters or continuously delete dozens of emails. Discourse however allows you t

Re: HyperKitty as a Discourse Replacement - Why still no RSS Support

2019-08-27 Thread Gerald B. Cox
Google John, Google is your friend... ;-) https://wiki.list.org/DEV/ModernArchiving On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 10:32 PM John Harris wrote: > On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 6:27:49 PM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote: > > Don't know what to tell you... it was a planned feature for Mailman 3, &

Re: HyperKitty as a Discourse Replacement - Why still no RSS Support

2019-08-27 Thread Gerald B. Cox
Don't know what to tell you... it was a planned feature for Mailman 3, and it is mentioned here: https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/issues/51 On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 10:23 PM John Harris wrote: > On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 6:20:57 PM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote: > > Well, th

Re: HyperKitty as a Discourse Replacement - Why still no RSS Support

2019-08-27 Thread Gerald B. Cox
On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 10:20 PM Gerald B. Cox wrote: > Well, there is an open ticket to do just that - apparently some people > have a bigger imagination. ;-) > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 10:08 PM John Harris wrote: > >> On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:43:54 PM MST Gerald B.

Re: HyperKitty as a Discourse Replacement - Why still no RSS Support

2019-08-27 Thread Gerald B. Cox
Well, there is an open ticket to do just that - apparently some people have a bigger imagination. ;-) On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 10:08 PM John Harris wrote: > On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:43:54 PM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote: > > > On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:02:36 PM MST Gerald

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-27 Thread Gerald B. Cox
email within HyperKitty. On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 10:00 PM John Harris wrote: > On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:58:11 PM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote: > > > On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:36:58 PM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote: > > > > > > How exactly do your RSS feedreaders handl

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-27 Thread Gerald B. Cox
> On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:36:58 PM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote: > > How exactly do your RSS feedreaders handle threading? Don't you mean how HyperKitty will handle it? I won't be responding from my Feedreader, I would be reading the contents from the feed, and if I was int

Re: HyperKitty as a Discourse Replacement - Why still no RSS Support

2019-08-27 Thread Gerald B. Cox
> On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:02:36 PM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote: > > > > You could also just use NNTP, which wouldn't require you to have anything in > your mailbox. Then you can reply from the same client, as well :) Yeah, Kevin mentioned NNTP also... but as I men

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-27 Thread Gerald B. Cox
> On 8/27/19 11:00 AM, Gerald B. Cox wrote: > > Would your concerns be addressed if tjere was a gateway from this email > list to Discord? Would something simple that just stores each email in a > separate Discord item work, and if not, why? > > BTW, is there a gateway

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-27 Thread Gerald B. Cox
Hey Kevin: > Gerald B. Cox wrote: > > If the plan is to replace mailing lists with something that cannot even > provide the same functionality, that is unreasonable and isn't going to > happen. > > > But you are assuming that we actually WANT to migr

HyperKitty as a Discourse Replacement - Why still no RSS Support

2019-08-27 Thread Gerald B. Cox
People keep mentioning HyperKitty as an alternative to Discourse. While I believe Discourse has more functionality, one thing that would make HyperKitty a somewhat acceptable alternative would be the addition of RSS support. So I started to investigate and found that several tickets were opene

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