The Fedora Linux 39 Beta Go/No-Go[1] meeting is scheduled for Thursday
14 September at 1700 UTC in #fedora-meeting on libera.chat[2]. At this
time, we will determine the status of the F39 Beta for the 19 September
target date #1[3]. For more information about the Go/No-Go meeting, see
the wiki[4].
list of all the composes for each release in the order they
> > happened?
> >
> >
> Yes idea was to have the compose_id as a document root since it is unique
> for each compose.
> something like this:
>
> Fedora-Rawhide-20230913.n.0:{
> compose_related_metadat
> list.
>
> Does your replacement plan cover the "previous_release" use case, where
> we need a list of all the composes for each release in the order they
> happened?
>
>
Yes idea was to have the compose_id as a document root since it is unique
for each comp
On Wed, 2023-09-13 at 19:48 -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 7:45 PM Ian Laurie wrote:
> >
> > On 9/14/23 05:58, František Šumšal wrote:
> > > I second this as well. I tried to use Wayland with Plasma, but there's
> > > a weird issue where with a multi-monitor setup, switching f
On 9/14/23 09:48, Neal Gompa wrote:
On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 7:45 PM Ian Laurie wrote:
I'm an Xfce user so my care factor is minimal. I've not tried Plasma on
Wayland in the 39 branch yet but I do intend to.
Would you please report this to bugs.kde.org if it shows up in Fedora
39 KDE Beta?
On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 7:45 PM Ian Laurie wrote:
>
> On 9/14/23 05:58, František Šumšal wrote:
> > I second this as well. I tried to use Wayland with Plasma, but there's
> > a weird issue where with a multi-monitor setup, switching focus from
>
> I have repeatedly tried Plasma on Wayland as Virtu
On Wed, 13 Sep 2023, Neal Gompa wrote:
On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 7:02 PM Steven A. Falco wrote:
On 9/13/23 05:23 PM, Neal Gompa wrote:
Right. And I want to stress we are not dropping support for X11
applications. Anything running as an X client in a desktop should work
as it has before.
I'm
On 9/14/23 05:58, František Šumšal wrote:
I second this as well. I tried to use Wayland with Plasma, but there's
a weird issue where with a multi-monitor setup, switching focus from
I have repeatedly tried Plasma on Wayland as VirtualBox guests and it
simply doesn't work. There is a weird 10 t
On 9/13/23 07:16 PM, Neal Gompa wrote:
On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 7:02 PM Steven A. Falco wrote:
On 9/13/23 05:23 PM, Neal Gompa wrote:
Right. And I want to stress we are not dropping support for X11
applications. Anything running as an X client in a desktop should work
as it has before.
I'm n
On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 7:02 PM Steven A. Falco wrote:
>
> On 9/13/23 05:23 PM, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > Right. And I want to stress we are not dropping support for X11
> > applications. Anything running as an X client in a desktop should work
> > as it has before.
>
> I'm not convinced KiCad will wo
On 9/13/23 05:23 PM, Neal Gompa wrote:
Right. And I want to stress we are not dropping support for X11
applications. Anything running as an X client in a desktop should work
as it has before.
I'm not convinced KiCad will work in that scenario, so please let me summarize
what I've read here, an
Chris Adams wrote:
> Do we really need to keep re-litigating decisions that some people don't
> agree with?
FESCo has set a precedent showing how effective that can be:
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2923
So complain to them if you have an issue with decisions getting rehashed for
rediscussion.
Once upon a time, Kevin Kofler said:
> Matthew Miller wrote:
> > Even if you don't want to follow Fedora Discussion in general, to follow
> > changes, you can go subscribe to just those by email.
>
> But I do not want to get the messages by e-mail.
Do we really need to keep re-litigating decisio
Neal Gompa wrote:
> Right. And I want to stress we are not dropping support for X11
> applications. Anything running as an X client in a desktop should work
> as it has before.
Should. But that does not necessarily mean it actually does.
Kevin Kofler
__
Fabio Valentini wrote:
> I doubt that the intention is to drop X11 sessions entirely and make
> "Plasma Wayland" the only session available on Fedora *in general*,
> but rather that the "Plasma X11" session will be dropped, and that
> "Plasma Wayland" will be the only *Plasma* session available.
E
Matthew Miller wrote:
> Even if you don't want to follow Fedora Discussion in general, to follow
> changes, you can go subscribe to just those by email.
But I do not want to get the messages by e-mail. I want to use the one
protocol actually designed for discussions, NNTP. Gmane allows following
On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 5:24 PM Fabio Valentini wrote:
>
> On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 11:19 PM Steven A. Falco
> wrote:
> >
> > A question about this - the removal of X11 is listed on a change proposal
> > for KDE. Does the removal just apply to KDE or would it be distribution
> > wide; i.e. aff
On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 2:46 PM David Edmundson
wrote:
>
> > will also include dropping support for the X11 session entirely
> > I'm more than a bit concerned about dropping X11
>
> It's important that we separate dropping an X11 session and dropping
> X11 (xwayland). They're two very different to
On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 11:19 PM Steven A. Falco wrote:
>
> A question about this - the removal of X11 is listed on a change proposal for
> KDE. Does the removal just apply to KDE or would it be distribution wide;
> i.e. affecting all desktops?
I assume the following is not meant literally:
"
On 9/13/23 12:10 PM, Steven A. Falco wrote:
On 9/13/23 11:53 AM, Aoife Moloney wrote:
Wiki https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/KDE_Plasma_6
== Summary ==
KDE Plasma 6 is successor to KDE Plasma 5 created by the KDE
Community. It is based on Qt 6 and KDE Frameworks 6 and brings many
change
On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 04:32:34PM -0300, Tulio Magno Quites Machado Filho
wrote:
> I've been trying this, but Discourse reverted part of my settings without
> any warnings after a few months.
>
> I raised the issue here:
> https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/discourse-dropped-an-email-address
On 9/13/23 21:50, Sérgio Basto wrote:
On Wed, 2023-09-13 at 19:52 +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
For Fedora Linux, the transition to KDE Plasma 6 will also include
dropping support for the X11 session entirely, leaving only Plasma
Wayland
as the sole offered desktop mode.
Huh?! Why?! KDE
On Wed, 2023-09-13 at 19:52 +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> > For Fedora Linux, the transition to KDE Plasma 6 will also include
> > dropping support for the X11 session entirely, leaving only Plasma
> > Wayland
> > as the sole offered desktop mode.
>
> Huh?! Why?! KDE upstream is still sup
Matthew Miller writes:
> Everything is a balance.
>
> Even if you don't want to follow Fedora Discussion in general, to follow
> changes, you can go subscribe to just those by email.
>
> 1. Sign in you with your Fedora account
>
> 2. Complete creating a Discussion account if you haven't already
On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 1:45 PM Matthew Miller wrote:
>
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 09:20:09AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > IIRC it was a condition of that proposal that we wind up on a hosted
> > version of the *open source* release of gitlab, which is something we
> > managed to talk gitlab i
On Wed, 13 Sept 2023 at 14:14, Adam Williamson
wrote:
> On Wed, 2023-09-13 at 20:07 +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> > Adam Williamson wrote:
> > > From there, it's up to people where they see and respond to them.
> >
> > But every single announcement gets a reply on the mailing list (which
On Wed, 2023-09-13 at 20:07 +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> Adam Williamson wrote:
> > From there, it's up to people where they see and respond to them.
>
> But every single announcement gets a reply on the mailing list (which is not
> properly threaded in KNode/Gmane, by the way) saying s
On Wed, 2023-09-13 at 13:32 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 12:19:05PM +0200, Sandro wrote:
> > On 13-09-2023 08:09, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > > From there, it's up to people where they see and respond to them. If
> > > more people are responding in discourse than on the mai
On Wed, 2023-09-13 at 10:46 +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote:
> Dne 13. 09. 23 v 9:08 Remi Collet napsal(a):
> > Le 13/09/2023 à 08:09, Adam Williamson a écrit :
> > > On Wed, 2023-09-13 at 05:51 +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > it is really a pain that the Change discussio
Adam Williamson wrote:
> From there, it's up to people where they see and respond to them.
But every single announcement gets a reply on the mailing list (which is not
properly threaded in KNode/Gmane, by the way) saying something like:
> The discussion thread to provide feedback for this change
On Wed, 2023-09-13 at 16:49 +0200, Tomas Hrcka wrote:
> I thought this was exactly the JSON blob we will implement, If you look at
> the model of PDC
> https://product-definition-center.github.io/product-definition-center/_images/overview.svg
>
> Those endpoints are covered by relations Release, C
Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
>> For Fedora Linux, the transition to KDE Plasma 6 will also include
>> dropping support for the X11 session entirely, leaving only Plasma
>> Wayland as the sole offered desktop mode.
>
> Huh?! Why?! KDE upstream is still supporting X11 in Plasma 6. I see no
> reaso
> For Fedora Linux, the transition to KDE Plasma 6 will also include
> dropping support for the X11 session entirely, leaving only Plasma Wayland
> as the sole offered desktop mode.
Huh?! Why?! KDE upstream is still supporting X11 in Plasma 6. I see no
reason to force Wayland upon all users. I do
On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 09:20:09AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> IIRC it was a condition of that proposal that we wind up on a hosted
> version of the *open source* release of gitlab, which is something we
> managed to talk gitlab into doing for us. IMBW, though, it was a while
> ago.
Short vers
On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 09:08:57AM +0200, Remi Collet wrote:
> Sadly it seems there is some email issues
>
> For a few days, tons of messages are lost
> so, I also don't receive any of the recent change announcements
>
> BTW, I agree this dual channel is terrible for discussion
>
> I personally
On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 12:19:05PM +0200, Sandro wrote:
> On 13-09-2023 08:09, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > From there, it's up to people where they see and respond to them. If
> >more people are responding in discourse than on the mailing list, that
> >would seem to suggest that there*is* a reason
On Wed Sep 13, 2023 at 12:19 +0200, Sandro wrote:
> On 13-09-2023 08:09, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > From there, it's up to people where they see and respond to them. If
> > more people are responding in discourse than on the mailing list, that
> > would seem to suggest that there*is* a reason to
Hello team,
I don't want to enter a terrain where I don't belong, but I want to express
my opinion. Since I understand that you don't want to and don't like the
discourse interface, please take into account community participation in
discussions. And my example is going to be the controversial
"Pr
On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 12:12 PM Steven A. Falco wrote:
>
> On 9/13/23 11:53 AM, Aoife Moloney wrote:
> > Wiki https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/KDE_Plasma_6
>
> > == Summary ==
> > KDE Plasma 6 is successor to KDE Plasma 5 created by the KDE
> > Community. It is based on Qt 6 and KDE Framew
* Pierre-Yves Chibon:
> On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 10:46:04AM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote:
>> If nothing else, the announcements were previously send to devel-announce
>> with devel in CC, while the CC is not included anymore. IOW can we have
>> devel back in CC, please?
>
> I'm pretty sure devel is sub
On 9/13/23 11:53 AM, Aoife Moloney wrote:
Wiki https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/KDE_Plasma_6
== Summary ==
KDE Plasma 6 is successor to KDE Plasma 5 created by the KDE
Community. It is based on Qt 6 and KDE Frameworks 6 and brings many
changes and improvements over previous versions. Fo
The discussion thread to provide feedback for this change proposal can be found
here
https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/f40-change-proposal-kde-plasma-6-system-wide/89794/1
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devel-announce mailing list -- devel-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org
To
Wiki https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/KDE_Plasma_6
This is a proposed Change for Fedora Linux.
This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes
process, proposals are publicly announced in order to receive
community feedback. This proposal will only be implemented if appro
Il 13/09/23 11:58, Filip Janus ha scritto:
> Hi all,
> mkulik is the main admin of pg_auto_failover component, and I can't reach
> him. So I would like to start the process of moving the main admin role to
> me(I am an admin now but the default assignee is mkulik due to the main admin
> role).
Hey Folks,
Toolbx as a blocker for Fedora Workstation was declared as part of
Fedora Linux 39 changes process.
The idea for test week is for testers is to install latest version of
Toolbx and install Fedora and any other OS as well. The wiki[0] has
all the necessary details. Come join us and make
On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 08:51:16 -0600
Jerry James wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 10:02 PM Jerry James wrote:
> > I looked at blueprint-compiler tonight, and found 2 bugs with the
> > handling of bitfields. Sadly, fixing those still doesn't make the
> > test suite pass, so there is at least one m
On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 10:02 PM Jerry James wrote:
> I looked at blueprint-compiler tonight, and found 2 bugs with the
> handling of bitfields. Sadly, fixing those still doesn't make the
> test suite pass, so there is at least one more bug lurking somewhere.
> Still, I think the package is proba
I thought this was exactly the JSON blob we will implement, If you look at
the model of PDC
https://product-definition-center.github.io/product-definition-center/_images/overview.svg
Those endpoints are covered by relations Release, Compose, RPM through some
others.
The PDC approach is more or les
OLD: Fedora-39-20230912.n.0
NEW: Fedora-39-20230913.n.0
= SUMMARY =
Added images:1
Dropped images: 1
Added packages: 0
Dropped packages:1
Upgraded packages: 4
Downgraded packages: 0
Size of added packages: 0 B
Size of dropped packages:21.53 KiB
Size of
On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 10:46:04AM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote:
>
> Dne 13. 09. 23 v 9:08 Remi Collet napsal(a):
> > Le 13/09/2023 à 08:09, Adam Williamson a écrit :
> > > On Wed, 2023-09-13 at 05:51 +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > it is really a pain that the Change
Am 13.09.23 um 12:19 schrieb Sandro:
On 13-09-2023 08:09, Adam Williamson wrote:
From there, it's up to people where they see and respond to them. If
more people are responding in discourse than on the mailing list, that
would seem to suggest that there*is* a reason to announce things
there.
OLD: Fedora-Rawhide-20230912.n.0
NEW: Fedora-Rawhide-20230913.n.0
= SUMMARY =
Added images:2
Dropped images: 2
Added packages: 9
Dropped packages:17
Upgraded packages: 97
Downgraded packages: 1
Size of added packages: 4.94 MiB
Size of dropped packages
On 13-09-2023 08:09, Adam Williamson wrote:
From there, it's up to people where they see and respond to them. If
more people are responding in discourse than on the mailing list, that
would seem to suggest that there*is* a reason to announce things
there...
I'm quite sure Matthew (mattdm) wou
Hi all,
mkulik is the main admin of pg_auto_failover component, and I can't reach
him. So I would like to start the process of moving the main admin role to
me(I am an admin now but the default assignee is mkulik due to the main
admin role).
Here is the mandatory BZ:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/sho
Dne 13. 09. 23 v 9:08 Remi Collet napsal(a):
Le 13/09/2023 à 08:09, Adam Williamson a écrit :
On Wed, 2023-09-13 at 05:51 +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
Hi,
it is really a pain that the Change discussion is now hidden in a
web forum
behind a web link, instead of happening right here in
Le 11/09/2023 à 19:12, Aoife Moloney a écrit :
The discussion thread to provide feedback on this proposed change can be found
here
https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/f40-change-proposal-php-8-3-self-contained/89611/1
Please don't use above link
Please use this ML for questions/feedback
Le 13/09/2023 à 08:09, Adam Williamson a écrit :
On Wed, 2023-09-13 at 05:51 +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
Hi,
it is really a pain that the Change discussion is now hidden in a web forum
behind a web link, instead of happening right here in this mailing list. It
was promised that Discour
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