Re: LibreOffice packages

2023-07-02 Thread Demi Marie Obenour
On 7/2/23 19:28, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Sun, Jul 2 2023 at 04:59:39 PM -0400, Demi Marie Obenour > wrote: >>> >> Fedora Flatpaks are also a security disaster: they are shipped in OCI >> format instead of OSTree format, but they aren’t signed by anyone. >> I’ve disabled the Fedora remote an

Re: CentOS Stream, RHEL, and Fedora [was Re: What is Fedora?]

2023-07-02 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Sun, Jul 2 2023 at 06:27:48 PM -0400, Demi Marie Obenour wrote: What about stuff that is too urgent to wait on Red Hat QA? There have been vulnerabilities (such as CVE-2013-0156 and Log4Shell) for which unauthenticated, fully automated, remote code execution exploits have been found very, _v

Re: LibreOffice packages

2023-07-02 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Sun, Jul 2 2023 at 04:59:39 PM -0400, Demi Marie Obenour wrote: Fedora Flatpaks are also a security disaster: they are shipped in OCI format instead of OSTree format, but they aren’t signed by anyone. I’ve disabled the Fedora remote and recommend that others do the same. I didn't know

Re: Red Hat & Fedora -- largely stepping out of this ecosystem

2023-07-02 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Sun, Jul 2 2023 at 08:33:46 AM -0700, Carlos Rodriguez-Fernandez wrote: Hi Michael, We have been told repeatedly that "the source is there" in CentOS stream. The source for the next minor version is there. I can see the scenario that RH branches from CentOS stream to create a new mino

Re: CentOS Stream, RHEL, and Fedora [was Re: What is Fedora?]

2023-07-02 Thread Demi Marie Obenour
On 6/24/23 11:05, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 24 2023 at 08:53:32 AM -0500, Chris Adams > wrote: >>> Is it? At one point, there were considerable gaps in security >>> updates; >> RHEL 9.x would get an update while CentOS Stream 9 (as the target for >> RHEL 9.[x+1]) didn't get a co

Re: CentOS Stream, RHEL, and Fedora [was Re: What is Fedora?]

2023-07-02 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Sun, Jul 2 2023 at 09:53:30 PM +, "Smith, Stewart via devel" wrote: With this development model, what is the thought for those who may want to / be able to submit pull requests to CentOS Stream with security fixes? It really depends. CentOS Stream does accept merge requests. With resp

Re: Orphaning packages (was LibreOffice packages)

2023-07-02 Thread Kevin Kofler via devel
Peter Robinson wrote: > Someone doing work in EPEL is quite a bit different to my point of a > corporate organisation downstream of RHEL adding value and > differentiation that Red Hat doesn't provide as part of RHEL. The discussion was about people being able or unable to obtain the LibreOffice

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

2023-07-02 Thread Demi Marie Obenour
On 6/27/23 05:00, Simon de Vlieger wrote: > On 6/27/23 10:40, Hans de Goede wrote: > > > Ok, so can you provide some instructions for how to make this work ? > I guess it would be something like add the cmdline option + then start > some systemd unit ? Can you please put some instructions for

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

2023-07-02 Thread Demi Marie Obenour
On 6/26/23 12:00, Aoife Moloney wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AnacondaWebUIforFedoraWorkstation > > This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes > process, proposals are publicly announced in order to receive > community feedback. This proposal will only be

Re: CentOS Stream, RHEL, and Fedora [was Re: What is Fedora?]

2023-07-02 Thread Smith, Stewart via devel
On Jun 24, 2023, at 8:05 AM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 24 2023 at 08:53:32 AM -0500, Chris Adams > wrote: >>> Is it? At one point, there were considerable gaps in security >>> updates; >> RHEL 9.x would get an update while CentOS Stream 9 (as the target for >> RHEL 9.[x+1]) didn'

Re: CentOS Stream, RHEL, and Fedora [was Re: What is Fedora?]

2023-07-02 Thread Smith, Stewart via devel
> On Jun 22, 2023, at 2:01 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: >> >>> >>> ELN is a build of (some) Fedora packages with EL-specific options, so >>> it requires Fedora. >> ELN can exist off an internal non fedora tree. Just depends who is >> updating the tree. > > Sure, but... that's the _opposite_ of th

Re: Orphaning packages (was LibreOffice packages)

2023-07-02 Thread Peter Robinson
On Sun, Jul 2, 2023 at 10:27 PM Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: > > Peter Robinson wrote: > > Assuming those "binary compatible distributions" choose to add > > LibreOffice back in and support it, given what they actually do in > > terms of actual development it's actually pretty unlikely they're >

Re: Orphaning packages (was LibreOffice packages)

2023-07-02 Thread Kevin Kofler via devel
Peter Robinson wrote: > Assuming those "binary compatible distributions" choose to add > LibreOffice back in and support it, given what they actually do in > terms of actual development it's actually pretty unlikely they're > going to do all the extra work to add back an office suite and all the >

Re: Intent to retire OpenCOLLADA

2023-07-02 Thread Kevin Kofler via devel
l...@fedoraproject.org wrote: > In this case, OpenCOLLADA can be retired on Rawhide as Blender no longer > explicitely requires it for building. That by itself is not a reason for fast-track retiring the library. Kevin Kofler ___ devel mailing l

Distro feature macros: a replacement for many %if rhel/fedora/amzn

2023-07-02 Thread Smith, Stewart via devel
Myself and a few others over in Amazon Linux land have been musing for a while about possible improvements that could be done in Fedora to help make Fedora and downstream distributions (such as CentOS Stream and Amazon Linux) have an easier and simpler time having their individual opinionated ch

Re: LibreOffice packages

2023-07-02 Thread Demi Marie Obenour
On 6/3/23 08:42, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Sat, Jun 3 2023 at 10:26:07 AM -, John Iliopoulos > wrote: >> Hello, >> >> While i completely understand why you do this i do think that it is >> important for desktop/workstation oriented devices to have some >> optional access to Office direc

Fedora rawhide compose report: 20230702.n.0 changes

2023-07-02 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
OLD: Fedora-Rawhide-20230701.n.0 NEW: Fedora-Rawhide-20230702.n.0 = SUMMARY = Added images:3 Dropped images: 2 Added packages: 1 Dropped packages:0 Upgraded packages: 39 Downgraded packages: 0 Size of added packages: 14.01 KiB Size of dropped packages:0 B

Re: Intent to retire OpenCOLLADA

2023-07-02 Thread luya
In this case, OpenCOLLADA can be retired on Rawhide as Blender no longer explicitely requires it for building. On 2023-06-29 8:02 p.m., Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: Richard Shaw wrote: > If anyone wants to take it over let me know otherwise I plan to retire > early next week. The right thin

Re: rawhide build errors on i686

2023-07-02 Thread Matthias Runge
On 02/07/2023 17:51, Matthias Runge wrote: Hi there in one of my recent builds, I came across this error on i686 [1]. Transaction test succeeded. Running transaction warning: /etc/hosts created as /etc/hosts.rpmnew Error unpacking rpm package shadow-utils-2:4.13-7.fc39.i686 error: unpacking of

Re: [HEADS UP] Fedora 39 Python 3.12 rebuilds to start in a side tag this week

2023-07-02 Thread Michael J Gruber
Perfect! https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/rst2pdf/pull-request/2 ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/p

rawhide build errors on i686

2023-07-02 Thread Matthias Runge
Hi there in one of my recent builds, I came across this error on i686 [1]. Transaction test succeeded. Running transaction warning: /etc/hosts created as /etc/hosts.rpmnew Error unpacking rpm package shadow-utils-2:4.13-7.fc39.i686 error: unpacking of archive failed on file /usr/bin/newgidmap;6

Re: Red Hat & Fedora -- largely stepping out of this ecosystem

2023-07-02 Thread Carlos Rodriguez-Fernandez
Hi Michael, We have been told repeatedly that "the source is there" in CentOS stream. I can see the scenario that RH branches from CentOS stream to create a new minor release, and during QA, a bug is discovered and a patch is backported (or created) to fix it internally in your minor release

Re: Orphaning packages (was LibreOffice packages)

2023-07-02 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Fri, Jun 30 2023 at 05:40:33 AM +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: So Red Hat is essentially killing all work on desktop packages, not just on LibreOffice? No. Losing Bastien is extremely unfortunate and demoralizing, but we are not killing all work on desktop packages. Michael _

Re: Red Hat & Fedora -- largely stepping out of this ecosystem

2023-07-02 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Fri, Jun 30 2023 at 11:09:41 AM -0700, Carlos Rodriguez-Fernandez wrote: Going forward, you will see those patches contributions going into Centos stream first, and they will be accepted by RH engineers, and then they will end up in CentOS Stream distro first, and finally in RHEL. Just fo

Re: List of long term FTBFS packages to be retired in August

2023-07-02 Thread Till Hofmann
Hi, On 6/28/23 09:43, Miro Hrončok wrote: If you see a package that was built, please let me know. If you see a package that should be exempted from the process, please let me know and we can work together to get a FESCo approval for that. If you see a package that can be rebuilt, please do

Re: Orphaning packages (was LibreOffice packages)

2023-07-02 Thread Peter Robinson
On Sun, Jul 2, 2023 at 11:01 AM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > On 02/07/2023 10:51, Simon de Vlieger wrote: > > The suppliers for these enterprise distributions and the support they > > offer also abide by political lines. > > Indeed. That's why having RHEL repacks (Alma, Rocky, Oracle Linux)

Re: Orphaning packages (was LibreOffice packages)

2023-07-02 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 02/07/2023 10:51, Simon de Vlieger wrote: The suppliers for these enterprise distributions and the support they offer also abide by political lines. Indeed. That's why having RHEL repacks (Alma, Rocky, Oracle Linux) is good. While your data won't be gone in an instant you still end up in th

Re: Orphaning packages (was LibreOffice packages)

2023-07-02 Thread Simon de Vlieger
On 7/2/23 08:56, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: On 01/07/2023 14:28, Peter Robinson wrote: This sort of comment is off topic, various companies are free to do with their data as they wish, just as you are free to do with it as you please. This is not offtopic. What I mean is that a distributi