On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 09:26:16PM -0700, Orion Poplawski wrote:
> On 12/1/19 10:48 AM, Adrian Reber wrote:
> > I prepared a protobuf upgrade from 3.6 to 3.11 in rawhide. It comes with
> > a soname update and requires its dependencies to be rebuilt.
> >
> > I tested it all in copr and most of the
On Fri, 2019-12-13 at 13:15 +0100, Jun Aruga wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 12:17 PM Frank R Dana Jr.
> wrote:
> > Hmmm. If there's a plan is to get it working again relatively soon,
> > though, I should probably withdraw my PR[1] to remove mention of it
> > from the Non-Responsive Maintainer Po
On 12/1/19 10:48 AM, Adrian Reber wrote:
I prepared a protobuf upgrade from 3.6 to 3.11 in rawhide. It comes with
a soname update and requires its dependencies to be rebuilt.
I tested it all in copr and most of the packages are rebuilding except
for the following packages:
* dynafed - compile
On Monday, December 16, 2019 6:30:14 PM MST Adam Williamson wrote:
> All you have to do is subscribe to the test-announce@ list and, when a
> mail like this one appears:
>
> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test-announce@lists.fedoraproj
> ect.org/thread/TU5YRBVDQIKUHLZCYVRUMFFPENHL3C
On Monday, December 16, 2019 6:30:14 PM MST Adam Williamson wrote:
> Yup. This was anticipated. What's the alternative? We never drop Python
> 2 support in order to keep software that is clearly becoming
> increasingly out of date in a distribution which has "First" as one of
> its core principles?
Dear all,
You are kindly invited to the meeting:
Modularity Team (weekly) on 2019-12-17 from 15:00:00 to 16:00:00 UTC
At fedora-meetin...@irc.freenode.net
The meeting will be about:
Meeting of the Modularity Team.
More information available at: [Modularity Team
Docs](https://docs.pagure.o
On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 9:37 PM Kevin Kofler wrote:
>
> Adam Williamson wrote:
> > BTW, there is another point here which you may not appreciate: Fedora
> > and Debian aren't really in competition. Fedora does not see its job as
> > being to Conquer The World and have everyone run Fedora. Fedora i
Greetings y'all.
My name is Carson Black & it's nice to meet y'all.
I'm from Frankfort, Kentucky (and no, I'm not interested in bourbon), and
I'm currently a student at one of the high schools here. I'd be lying if I said
I had
any explicit goals with the Fedora project, as I just do what I feel
Paul -
See:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Orphaned_package_that_need_new_maintainers#Claiming_Ownership_of_a_Retired_Package
because the package has been retired for longer than 8 weeks it needs to
go through a new review. I would run fedora-review on the package and
file a review request
Adam Williamson wrote:
> BTW, there is another point here which you may not appreciate: Fedora
> and Debian aren't really in competition. Fedora does not see its job as
> being to Conquer The World and have everyone run Fedora. Fedora is
> targeted at particular purposes and particular audiences. I
On Mon, 2019-12-16 at 16:52 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote:
>
> Right, my only contributions to Fedora on this account have been Mindshare
> related, and various Copr builds. I'm not currently a packager, nor am I a
> member of QA. However, that doesn't change much about my argument. It's still
On Monday, December 16, 2019 12:16:29 PM MST Kamil Paral wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 4:06 PM John M. Harris Jr
>
> wrote:
> > > An older installation medium can be used and the system upgraded. And
> >
> > older
> >
> > > installation medium can be used and pointed at latest installation
>
On Monday, December 16, 2019 10:41:57 AM MST Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Sun, 2019-12-15 at 22:59 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote:
>
> > This is not the only change I am referring to. We've been in the
> > habit of dropping things that work, with no real reasons lately.
> > For example, look at dro
On Monday, December 16, 2019 11:48:49 AM MST Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Adam Williamson wrote:
>
> > This is not accurate. You're not accounting for the time it takes to
> > write the disc, and we also have to check that the media check works,
> > which takes quite a while on its own.
>
>
> Who cares
On Monday, December 16, 2019 12:52:49 PM MST Kamil Paral wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 6:14 PM John M. Harris Jr
>
> wrote:
> > On Monday, December 16, 2019 9:56:01 AM MST Adam Williamson wrote:
> > > This is not accurate. You're not accounting for the time it takes to
> > > write the disc, an
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Ruby_2.7
== Summary ==
Ruby 2.7 is the latest stable version of Ruby. Many new features and
improvements are included for the increasingly diverse and expanding
demands for Ruby. With this major update from Ruby 2.6 in Fedora 31 to
Ruby 2.7 in Fedora 32, Fedo
Chris Murphy wrote:
> There is nothing sudden about this proposal. It is not unusual. It has
> been laboriously explained. You just don't like what you're hearing.
> And you are resorting to a variety of slander in mischaracterizing
> people's decisions, through your word selection.
You are the on
On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 7:50 PM Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Adam Williamson wrote:
> > This is not accurate. You're not accounting for the time it takes to
> > write the disc, and we also have to check that the media check works,
> > which takes quite a while on its own.
>
> Who cares whether the media
On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 6:14 PM John M. Harris Jr
wrote:
> On Monday, December 16, 2019 9:56:01 AM MST Adam Williamson wrote:
> > This is not accurate. You're not accounting for the time it takes to
> > write the disc, and we also have to check that the media check works,
> > which takes quite a
On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 6:04 PM Adam Williamson
wrote:
> On Mon, 2019-12-16 at 13:13 +0100, Kamil Paral wrote:
> > It's also important to understand the current state of optical media
> > release criteria. We've dropped the blocker requirement for most
> > installation media two years ago. Only E
On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 4:06 PM John M. Harris Jr
wrote:
> > An older installation medium can be used and the system upgraded. And
> older
> > installation medium can be used and pointed at latest installation
> > repositories (this is not guaranteed to work, but works in majority of
> cases).
>
Adam Williamson wrote:
> This is not accurate. You're not accounting for the time it takes to
> write the disc, and we also have to check that the media check works,
> which takes quite a while on its own.
Who cares whether the media check works? If it fails, but the distro still
installs, that i
On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 1:28 AM John M. Harris Jr wrote:
> This is based on random choice and personal whim, not objective reasoning.
> That there is a process does not mean that the outcome is based on anything
> more than various individuals' personal opinions.
whim
/(h)wim/
a sudden desire or
On 12/16/19 1:07 PM, Andreas Tunek wrote:
Den mån 16 dec. 2019 kl 18:42 skrev Adam Williamson
mailto:adamw...@fedoraproject.org>>:
Sometimes someone will propose that we've crossed the line when we
haven't, and usually we realize this and the proposal fails (excellent
example: the recentish "x
Den mån 16 dec. 2019 kl 18:42 skrev Adam Williamson <
adamw...@fedoraproject.org>:
>
>
> Sometimes someone will propose that we've crossed the line when we
> haven't, and usually we realize this and the proposal fails (excellent
> example: the recentish "x86-64 micro-architecture update" proposal,
On Sun, 2019-12-15 at 22:59 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote:
> This is not the only change I am referring to. We've been in the
> habit of dropping things that work, with no real reasons lately.
> For example, look at dropped x86 support, and soon we will be
> dropping Python 2. We have already had
On Monday, December 16, 2019 9:56:01 AM MST Adam Williamson wrote:
> This is not accurate. You're not accounting for the time it takes to
> write the disc, and we also have to check that the media check works,
> which takes quite a while on its own.
I was accounting for that time. Writing to a dis
On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 6:45 AM Kevin Kofler wrote:
>
> Chris Murphy wrote:
> > On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 7:37 PM John M. Harris Jr
> > wrote:
> >> It's certainly true that Apple will not service your hardware if you've
> >> got an OS other than their proprietary nonsense installed.
> >
> > In no w
On Mon, 2019-12-16 at 13:13 +0100, Kamil Paral wrote:
> It's also important to understand the current state of optical media
> release criteria. We've dropped the blocker requirement for most
> installation media two years ago. Only Everything netinst and Workstation
> Live remained. This proposal
On Mon, 2019-12-16 at 10:49 +0100, Gerd Hoffmann wrote:
>
> Wishlist item: Can we just have cdn.fedoraproject.org download urls
> please?
If you mean 'a URL that redirects you to a mirror that carries the
file', that's what download.fedoraproject.org is.
--
Adam Williamson
Fedora QA Community M
On Sun, 2019-12-15 at 20:48 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote:
> Instead of trying to make arguments against those who use CDs, why not keep
>
> what already works maintained? The level of effort required here is
>
> surprisingly small, testing installation from a physical CD takes, with a
> SATA
This is one of our most common questions, and why we are adding
podman generate systemd ...
People are interested in running containers as standard services on
linux systems. Valentin dug deep into how to do this. He explains it
all here.
https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/podman-shareable-system
OLD: Fedora-Rawhide-20191215.n.0
NEW: Fedora-Rawhide-20191216.n.0
= SUMMARY =
Added images:0
Dropped images: 0
Added packages: 1
Dropped packages:0
Upgraded packages: 45
Downgraded packages: 0
Size of added packages: 6.94 MiB
Size of dropped packages:0 B
=
#fedora-meeting-1: FESCO (2019-12-16)
=
Meeting started by contyk at 15:00:06 UTC. The full logs are available
at
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2019-12-16/fesco.2019-12-16-15.00.log.html
Meeting summar
No missing expected images.
Compose FAILS proposed Rawhide gating check!
4 of 43 required tests failed
openQA tests matching unsatisfied gating requirements shown with **GATING**
below
Failed openQA tests: 18/165 (x86_64), 1/2 (arm)
New failures (same test not failed in Fedora-Rawhide-20191215.
On Monday, December 16, 2019 5:13:11 AM MST Kamil Paral wrote:
> It's very important to understand that dropping a release criterion for
> optical boot doesn't mean Fedora can't be installed from a DVD in the
> future. The bugs that affect just bare-metal optical booting (and not
> virtual machines
On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 09:19:55AM +0100, Lukas Brabec wrote:
> The oldest laptops I have experience with are HP 4520s and Lenovo
> X201i, both from 2010, both support USB boot.
I still have two AMD server motherboards deployed that don't support
booting off of USB sticks. But to give an idea o
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the
FESCo meeting Monday at 15:00UTC in #fedora-meeting-1 on
irc.freenode.net.
To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto
or run:
date -d '2019-12-16 15:00 UTC'
Links to all issues to be
On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 9:40 PM Ben Cotton wrote:
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Drop_Optical_Media_Criterion
>
> = Drop Optical Media Release Criterion =
>
> == Summary ==
> Proposal to make all Fedora optical media non-blocking. This means
> we'd stop blocking on bugs found during the
Chris Murphy wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 7:37 PM John M. Harris Jr
> wrote:
>> It's certainly true that Apple will not service your hardware if you've
>> got an OS other than their proprietary nonsense installed.
>
> In no way is it true, let alone certainly true.
>
> They've explicitly sup
Ryan Walklin wrote:
> Those are pretty vague references to old workstations and servers rather
> than specific make/model. Can you not use a generic rescue DVD/CD running
> something like rEFInd http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind to then actually
> boot from USB? Then you wouldn't have to faff keeping
Hello,
To better co-ordinate the maintenance of Science and Technology related
packages, we've created the scitech_sig group on FAS for package
maintainers[1]. If you are a package maintainer and maintain or are
interested in maintaining general packages related to Science and
Technology, please:
Hi,
> Soon after release, weeks, this first update payload is easily the
> size of the Workstation Live ISO. Is it typical to setup a local
> mirror to mitigate this problem? If it were easier to setup a local
> mirror, or locally mirror a subset of the RPMs in a release, would
> that help make
Hi,
I would like to ask if anyone knows how to contact Steve Jenkins (fas:
stevej). I tried his mail but without success. All the bugs assigned to him
[0] are untouched and in NEW state, so I created Non-responsive maintainer
check bug [1].
Thanks for any information you can provide.
[0] -
https:/
On Monday, December 16, 2019 1:19:55 AM MST Lukas Brabec wrote:
[snip]
> I'm the one who usually does it [1][3][4][5], sometimes it is cmurf [2].
I saw. It's odd that Fedora supports that walled garden environment, though
that's neither here nor there. The fact that it is actually tested is why I
On Monday, December 16, 2019 12:20:32 AM MST Chris Murphy wrote:
> First, I haven't claimed it's not getting tested.
Sorry, must have been a misunderstanding on my part.
> Second, you have used a fallacy of circular reasoning. The test is
> being done because it's required to be done. That the te
I'm +1.
The oldest laptops I have experience with are HP 4520s and Lenovo X201i, both
from 2010, both support USB boot.
Two biggest online stores in Czechia:
- CZC.cz lists 1422 laptops without optical drive, 128 with.
- Alza.cz lists 2223 without optical drive filter, 138 with.
Every autumn, we
On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 06:41:35AM -0500, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>Hi
>On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 11:43 AM Pierre-Yves Chibon
><[1]pin...@pingoured.fr> wrote:
>
> `Monitoring` means: you get a bugzilla ticket
> `Monitoring and scrach builds` means: you get the bugzilla ticket and a
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