Re: Hundreds of bugzilla mails on one day

2015-01-15 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 16 Jan 2015 05:59:18 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 01/14/2015 05:06 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 12:43:46PM +0100, drago01 wrote: > >> Yeah I just delete those mails now days. Its just spam "F19 is EOL" is > >> not news that I need to get 1000 times. > > > > Ri

Re: echoping - Re: Hundreds of bugzilla mails on one day

2015-01-15 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 15 Jan 2015 13:23:06 +0100, Tomas Mraz wrote: > I would just open a FESCo ticket to get the package removed from Fedora. https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1388 Much more interesting would be to learn whether anyone has any ideas on how to prevent such issues in the future. The EOL-cl

Re: rawhide failing to compose

2015-01-15 Thread Alexander Bokovoy
On Thu, 15 Jan 2015, Simo Sorce wrote: On Thu, 15 Jan 2015 23:14:46 +0200 Alexander Bokovoy wrote: On Thu, 15 Jan 2015, Kevin Fenzi wrote: >On Thu, 15 Jan 2015 08:04:32 -0600 >Bruno Wolff III wrote: > >> Are the rawhide compose failures being looked at? (I just want to >> make sure they have

Re: Hundreds of bugzilla mails on one day

2015-01-15 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 01/14/2015 05:06 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 12:43:46PM +0100, drago01 wrote: Yeah I just delete those mails now days. Its just spam "F19 is EOL" is not news that I need to get 1000 times. Right, clearly, that message is not really for _you_. Really? It's for the pe

Re: against dnssec

2015-01-15 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 07:45:00PM -0500, Neal Becker wrote: > I personally know nothing of the subject, but found this article, I wonder if > there's any truth here? If so, maybe the push for dnssec on f22 isn't as > wonderful as supposed: > > http://sockpuppet.org/blog/2015/01/15/against-dnss

Re: F22 System Wide Change: GCC5

2015-01-15 Thread Peter Robinson
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 4:00 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > Jakub: > > I will test gcc 5 on my Rawhide aarch64 machine, if you can point me > to either a build of it or an SRPM. So far I see no gcc 5 builds in > either Koji or the linked wiki page. aarch64 scratch build that Jakub did yesterday

Re: F22 System Wide Change: GCC5

2015-01-15 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
Jakub: I will test gcc 5 on my Rawhide aarch64 machine, if you can point me to either a build of it or an SRPM. So far I see no gcc 5 builds in either Koji or the linked wiki page. Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/~rjones Read my programming and vi

Re: F22 System Wide Change: RpmOstree - Server side composes and atomic upgrades

2015-01-15 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 15 Jan 2015 20:49:49 -0500 Colin Walters wrote: > Hi Kevin, > > On Thu, Jan 15, 2015, at 05:20 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: ...snip... > > * get new updates (including security fixes) as soon as they hit the > > mirrors, without waiting for a new OS tree compose (every extra > > step in t

Re: against dnssec

2015-01-15 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 16.01.2015 um 01:45 schrieb Neal Becker: I personally know nothing of the subject, but found this article than you should get some understanding *before* refer to random articles on the web where the only truth fact is the expensive deployment which does not bother you on the enduser mach

Re: F22 System Wide Change: RpmOstree - Server side composes and atomic upgrades

2015-01-15 Thread Colin Walters
Hi Kevin, On Thu, Jan 15, 2015, at 05:20 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > * customize your installation by adding/removing packages (and if it were > not prevented, the customizations would not persist across updates), First of course, while that's accurate for the rpm-ostree technology today, the F

Re: F22 System Wide Change: RpmOstree - Server side composes and atomic upgrades

2015-01-15 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 5:20 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > You gain… nothing! > Kevin, If you are unaware of the gains, ask for it. Image based upgrades are very common in cloud environments I work with. It is used as alternative to configuration management in some places and it is incredibly

Re: against dnssec

2015-01-15 Thread Paul Wouters
That article is terrible. I will respond to it later. It is definitely not a valid reason to revisit the fedora feature. Paul Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 15, 2015, at 19:45, Neal Becker wrote: > > I personally know nothing of the subject, but found this article, I wonder if > there's any t

against dnssec

2015-01-15 Thread Neal Becker
I personally know nothing of the subject, but found this article, I wonder if there's any truth here? If so, maybe the push for dnssec on f22 isn't as wonderful as supposed: http://sockpuppet.org/blog/2015/01/15/against-dnssec/ -- -- Those who don't understand recursion are doomed to repeat i

Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root

2015-01-15 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:13:17PM +0100, Nicolas Chauvet wrote: > Another case about the default buildroot is compiler version, one could > rely on a newer gcc (such as with a gcc5 package) and rebuild any packages > with this new buildroot environment without tweaking any sources packages. But yo

Re: GUI applications writing garbage to stdout/stderr

2015-01-15 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 15.01.2015 um 23:23 schrieb Kevin Kofler: Jaroslav Reznik wrote: So it's kWarning, not kDebug and it can't be ignored by using kdebugdialog settings. There are two options - fix the underlying issue or change kWarning to kDebug - it just depends on how important it is and it seem as Harald al

Re: Koji build root caching

2015-01-15 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 15 Jan 2015 16:24:09 +0100 Vít Ondruch wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Dne 14.1.2015 v 23:46 Dennis Gilmore napsal(a): > > On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 16:40:35 +0100 > > Vít Ondruch wrote: > > > > > > > -BEGIN PG

Re: rawhide failing to compose

2015-01-15 Thread Simo Sorce
On Thu, 15 Jan 2015 23:14:46 +0200 Alexander Bokovoy wrote: > On Thu, 15 Jan 2015, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > >On Thu, 15 Jan 2015 08:04:32 -0600 > >Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > > >> Are the rawhide compose failures being looked at? (I just want to > >> make sure they have been noticed by people in a po

Re: GUI applications writing garbage to stdout/stderr

2015-01-15 Thread Kevin Kofler
Reindl Harald wrote: > the same for broken desktop-files and what not reported again and again > in that context and nobody cares about - so why annoy the ordinary user > with that debug informations all day long? I'm with you, debugging spam needs to go away, GUI applications have no business wr

Re: GUI applications writing garbage to stdout/stderr

2015-01-15 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > So it's kWarning, not kDebug and it can't be ignored by using kdebugdialog > settings. There are two options - fix the underlying issue or change > kWarning to kDebug - it just depends on how important it is and it seem > as Harald already pointed out - nobody really cares.

Re: F22 System Wide Change: RpmOstree - Server side composes and atomic upgrades

2015-01-15 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > = Proposed System Wide Change: RpmOstree - Server side composes and atomic > upgrades = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RpmOstree > > Change owner(s): Colin Walters I don't see the advantage of supporting this primitive "take it or leave it" approach to installi

Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root

2015-01-15 Thread Nicolas Chauvet
2015-01-15 20:18 GMT+01:00 Orion Poplawski : > On 01/15/2015 04:20 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > On 01/14/2015 03:10 AM, Orion Poplawski wrote: > >> On 01/12/2015 06:08 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: > >>> Dear Fedora developers, > >>> > >>> I'd like to collect some feedback about the $SUBJECT, i.e. makin

Re: F22 System Wide Change: RpmOstree - Server side composes and atomic upgrades

2015-01-15 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015, at 04:41 PM, Colin Walters wrote: > If it's installing a regular file, then it won't work - the package (daemon) > needs to create it on start. I filed a bug about this: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1182785 Though I wonder if this should be a Change in itse

Re: Meeting minutes for Env-and-Stacks WG meeting (2015-01-14)

2015-01-15 Thread Kevin Kofler
Honza Horak wrote: > * Fedora Rings (hhorak, 12:03:21) [snip] >* IDEA: definition of ring 1 is a minimal set of packages that give > you a functional system, with some sort of approval (hhorak, > 13:31:21) >* IDEA: ring 1 should be self-hosted -- because you want to build very >

rawhide report: 20150115 changes

2015-01-15 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
Compose started at Thu Jan 15 15:03:07 UTC 2015 Broken deps for i386 -- [Sprog] Sprog-0.14-27.fc20.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.0) [aeskulap] aeskulap-0.2.2-0.19beta1.fc22.i686 requires libofstd.so.3.6 aesku

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2015-01-07)

2015-01-15 Thread Peter Hutterer
On Thu, Jan 08, 2015 at 11:50:54AM -0500, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > > Dne 7.1.2015 v 21:14 Stephen Gallagher napsal(a): > > > * #1379 F22 System Wide Change: Change xorg input stack to use libinput > > > - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/LibinputForXorg (sgallagh, > > > 19:51:28) > > >

Re: rawhide failing to compose

2015-01-15 Thread Alexander Bokovoy
On Thu, 15 Jan 2015, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Thu, 15 Jan 2015 08:04:32 -0600 Bruno Wolff III wrote: Are the rawhide compose failures being looked at? (I just want to make sure they have been noticed by people in a position to fix them.) Yes. I meant to send an email about it yesterday, but nev

Golang package review and related question

2015-01-15 Thread Jakub Jedelský
Hi all, I'm maintainer of asciinema package and need some help from more experienced guys. The upstream was rewritten from Python to Go lang. Because I haven't any experience with Go packaging, I'll be happy if somebody take a look. Spec and srpm files are in bugzilla [1]. The second thing: the

Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root

2015-01-15 Thread Orion Poplawski
On 01/15/2015 04:20 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 01/14/2015 03:10 AM, Orion Poplawski wrote: >> On 01/12/2015 06:08 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: >>> Dear Fedora developers, >>> >>> I'd like to collect some feedback about the $SUBJECT, i.e. making >>> minimal build root really minimal, explicitly specif

Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root

2015-01-15 Thread Kevin Kofler
Vít Ondruch wrote: > And somebody might be interested what is the trend: > > = F21 [snip] > 7320 [snip] > = F20 [snip] > 6856 [snip] > = F19 [snip] > 6609 [snip] > = F18 [snip] > 6288 One can see that the number of compiled packages is actually INCREASING. It's just that the number of scripted p

Re: Bodhi policy for pushing updates to stable

2015-01-15 Thread Luke Macken
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 10:19:19AM +0100, Tomas Hozza wrote: > Hi all. > > When upgrading F20 to F21 using FedUp, some users had a problem > with some packages not being upgraded (e.g. [1]). The problem was > caused by broken update path F20 -> F21. > > For example in wget's case I pushed updates

Self Introduction: Jakub Jelen

2015-01-15 Thread Jakub Jelen
Hello all, My name is Jakub Jelen and I am from Czech Republic. I'm member of fedoraproject for a long time, but now will get more active and I will be responsible for future releases of some security components in Fedora. I have almost one year experience in Red Hat with helping to test secur

Re: Koji build root caching

2015-01-15 Thread Vít Ondruch
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dne 14.1.2015 v 23:46 Dennis Gilmore napsal(a): > On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 16:40:35 +0100 > Vít Ondruch wrote: > > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > Dne 14.1.2015 v 16:00 Dennis Gilmore napsal(a): > >> On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 14:57:5

Re: rawhide failing to compose

2015-01-15 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 15 Jan 2015 08:04:32 -0600 Bruno Wolff III wrote: > Are the rawhide compose failures being looked at? (I just want to > make sure they have been noticed by people in a position to fix them.) Yes. I meant to send an email about it yesterday, but never got to it. ;) The issue seems to be

rawhide failing to compose

2015-01-15 Thread Bruno Wolff III
Are the rawhide compose failures being looked at? (I just want to make sure they have been noticed by people in a position to fix them.) -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code

Re: F22 System Wide Change: GCC5

2015-01-15 Thread Richard Hughes
On 14 January 2015 at 15:46, Jonathan Underwood > Perhaps it would be worth adding -std=gnu11 to the F22 default flags > now and having a rebuild, before gcc5 lands, to start shaking out > problems now? I think this is a really good idea. Richard. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject

Re: A little problem with dnf

2015-01-15 Thread Corey Sheldon
another option is dnf install Fedora-packager (has all of eclipse as a "group" install I use eclipse & android studio personally Corey W Sheldon Freelance IT Consultant, Multi-Discipline Tutor 310.909.7672 www.facebook.com/1stclassmobileshine -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: Gn

Re: GUI applications writing garbage to stdout/stderr

2015-01-15 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - > - Original Message - > So it's kWarning, not kDebug and it can't be ignored by using kdebugdialog > settings. There are two options - fix the underlying issue or change > kWarning to kDebug - it just depends on how important it is and it seem > as Harald alrea

Re: A little problem with dnf

2015-01-15 Thread Radek Holy
- Original Message - > From: "Radek Holy" > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" > > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 1:50:59 PM > Subject: Re: A little problem with dnf > > - Original Message - > > From: "Adrian Soliard" > > To: "Development discussions related to

Re: echoping - Re: Hundreds of bugzilla mails on one day

2015-01-15 Thread Tomas Mraz
On So, 2015-01-10 at 12:54 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > Big *sigh*. > > Guys, this is not funny anymore. Almost as if some people at Fedora try to > test how long one can keep one's temper. Well, this is embarrasing and not > casting a positive light on the Fedora Project package collection: >

Re: GUI applications writing garbage to stdout/stderr

2015-01-15 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - > - Original Message - > > On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 11:22:57AM +0100, Marcel Oliver wrote: > > When I run okular I see: > > > > Connecting to deprecated signal > > QDBusConnectionInterface::serviceOwnerChanged(QString,QString,QString) > > kbuildsycoca4 running..

Re: GUI applications writing garbage to stdout/stderr

2015-01-15 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - > On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 11:22:57AM +0100, Marcel Oliver wrote: > When I run okular I see: > > Connecting to deprecated signal > QDBusConnectionInterface::serviceOwnerChanged(QString,QString,QString) > kbuildsycoca4 running... > okular(16844) KMimeTypeRepository::pare

Re: GUI applications writing garbage to stdout/stderr

2015-01-15 Thread Björn Persson
Reindl Harald wrote: > Am 15.01.2015 um 00:36 schrieb Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek: > >> the real problem with that crap messages is that if you are about > >> writing a longer command line and the in background mode started GUI > >> app decides to blow out it's helpful messages they appear unasked

Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root

2015-01-15 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 01/14/2015 03:10 AM, Orion Poplawski wrote: On 01/12/2015 06:08 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dear Fedora developers, I'd like to collect some feedback about the $SUBJECT, i.e. making minimal build root really minimal, explicitly specifying build dependencies, etc. Would it be technically feasib

Re: Bodhi policy for pushing updates to stable

2015-01-15 Thread Matěj Cepl
On 2015-01-15, 09:19 GMT, Tomas Hozza wrote: > I think bodhi should enforce the update path is not broken and > hold the update for F20 until the update for F21 is in stable. Gosh, I thought bodhi already enforces update policy ... :( Matěj -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org ht

Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root

2015-01-15 Thread Igor Gnatenko
On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Vít Ondruch wrote: > Dear Fedora developers, Hi, > I'd like to collect some feedback about the $SUBJECT, i.e. making > minimal build root really minimal, explicitly specifying build > dependencies, etc. I agree with removing this, but we need some time to investiga

BIND 9.10 in rawhide

2015-01-15 Thread Tomas Hozza
Hi all. I updated BIND to the latest stable 9.10 version in rawhide, as discussed here [1]. Feel free to try it out. [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/BIND_9.10 Regards, -- Tomas Hozza Software Engineer - EMEA ENG Developer Experience PGP: 1D9F3C2D Red Hat Inc.

Bodhi policy for pushing updates to stable

2015-01-15 Thread Tomas Hozza
Hi all. When upgrading F20 to F21 using FedUp, some users had a problem with some packages not being upgraded (e.g. [1]). The problem was caused by broken update path F20 -> F21. For example in wget's case I pushed updates for the same NVR in F20 and F21 with auto-karma. However the wget update f