Re: How many users does Fedora have?

At the risk of jumping in, here's my own 2 cents on the subject... On 12/03/2014 12:30 AM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > > On 2 December 2014 at 09:15, mailto:jfm...@free.fr>> wrote: > > 2) It has an uninspiring installer. > > > Ok I need more information on what this means in comparis

Fedora 21 Final blocker status report #2

Hi folks! Time for the second - and hopefully last - Fedora 21 blocker status report. First, the good news: we have no proposed blockers for F21 right now, and all accepted blockers are 'addressed' (closed, or fixed in RC2/RC4), except the special https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=116874

[Test-Announce] 2014-12-03 @ 1600 UTC ** Conditional Blocker Review Meeting

Greetings testers! Typically we'd have a blocker review meeting tomorrow, but with Go/No-Go this Thursday and a pretty solid RC out and being tested, we might not need one. Currently there are no proposed blockers (and let's hope we've handled all of them), so we won't be having a meeting. OTOH, i

Re: Power consumption with Fedora

On 2 December 2014 at 10:06, Adam Jackson wrote: > On Mon, 2014-12-01 at 22:36 -0500, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: > >> One related issue is suspend. It stopped working for me (on the same >> machine) at around Fedora 12. Just stays on the black screen on >> resume. > > 12? Five years ago? > Yeah pretty

5tFTW: Fedora 21 release on track, new leadership and thanks to the old; counting users; more... (2014-12-02)

Reposted from . Fedora is a big project, and it’s hard to keep up with everything that goes on. This series highlights interesting happenings in five different areas every week. It isn’t comprehensive news coverage — just quick summaries with links to

Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo meeting (2014-12-03 at 18UTC)

Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting tomorrow at 18:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. Links to all tickets below can be found at: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/report/9 = Followups = #topic ticket #1349 Fedora 22 scheduling strategy (and b

Re: Power consumption with Fedora

On Tue, 2014-12-02 at 15:23 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 14:44:59 -0700 > "Nathanael D. Noblet" wrote: > > > On Tue, 2014-12-02 at 21:47 +0100, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > > > On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 06:30:57 +0100, Nathanael d. Noblet wrote: > > > > I don't know much about it but I ha

[Test-Announce] F21 testing heads up: RC3 is coming, but RC2 tests are valid, please continue testing RC2

Just an F21 validation test status heads up. We found a cosmetic but highly visible font issue in RC2: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1169979 . The most obvious effect is that at least the Workstation and KDE x86-64 lives use a pretty ugly font 'Nimbus Mono L' as their default monospa

Re: How many users does Fedora have?

On 2 December 2014 at 11:27, Owen Taylor wrote: > On Tue, 2014-12-02 at 11:12 -0700, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > > > On 2 December 2014 at 09:22, Matthew Miller > > wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 05:15:38PM +0100, jfm...@free.fr > > wrote: > > > Now it seems Fedor

Re: Power consumption with Fedora

On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 14:44:59 -0700 "Nathanael D. Noblet" wrote: > On Tue, 2014-12-02 at 21:47 +0100, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > > On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 06:30:57 +0100, Nathanael d. Noblet wrote: > > > I don't know much about it but I hate how bad my battery life is > > > on my laptop... > > > > My 3

Re: Power consumption with Fedora

On 12/02/2014 12:05 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > Question: Shouldn't the evaluation and fix be targeted at Rawhide > first, and then see about "backporting" demonstrated fixes to Fedora Beware of things like debug-enabled kernels though. Rawhide runs a bit slower for this, and more work means more p

Re: Power consumption with Fedora

On Tue, 2014-12-02 at 21:47 +0100, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 06:30:57 +0100, Nathanael d. Noblet wrote: > > I don't know much about it but I hate how bad my battery life is on my > > laptop... > > My 3 years old Lenovo X220 lasts for 12 hours (powertop reports so) on Fedora > 20

Re: Power consumption with Fedora

On 2 December 2014 at 13:05, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 6:17 PM, Stephen John Smoogen > wrote: > > > 1) A problem is identified. > > 2) Profile the problem and show where it might be happening. > > 3) Some amount on fixing the problem is done. > > 4) Find that the problem isn't

Re: Update to Parole 0.6.x stable series - completed port to GTK+3

On 02.12.2014 15:40, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 15:07:59 +0100 > poma wrote: > >> On 01.12.2014 15:22, Kevin Fenzi wrote: >> ... >>> If you read bug 1065457 (or the upstream xfce list) you will see >>> that while this is a stable release of parole, it depends on a >>> unstable delve

Re: Power consumption with Fedora

On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Owen Taylor wrote: > Hi John, > > Power consumption is definitely an area that Fedora can improve, and an > area where we've begun to do some investigation. > > Measuring battery life is hard, because when power saving is working, > battery life depends so much on w

Re: Power consumption with Fedora

On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 06:30:57 +0100, Nathanael d. Noblet wrote: > I don't know much about it but I hate how bad my battery life is on my > laptop... My 3 years old Lenovo X220 lasts for 12 hours (powertop reports so) on Fedora 20 x86_64 with powertop --auto-tune. According to powertop approx. 5.5W

Re: update on ca-certificates, introducing the ca-legacy utility

On Fri, 2014-11-21 at 17:17 +0100, Kai Engert wrote: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/ca-certificates-2014.2.1-1.5.fc19 > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/ca-certificates-2014.2.1-1.5.fc20 I'd appreciate more testing feedback. I'd like to push these packages into the stable update

Re: Power consumption with Fedora

On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 6:17 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > 1) A problem is identified. > 2) Profile the problem and show where it might be happening. > 3) Some amount on fixing the problem is done. > 4) Find that the problem isn't there and there is no quick fix. > 5) Throw away that solution

[Test-Announce] Fedora 21 Final Release Candidate 2 (RC2) Available Now!

As per the Fedora 21 schedule [1], Fedora 21 Final Release Candidate 2 (RC2) is now available for testing. Content information, including changes, can be found at https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/6031#comment:24 . Please see the following pages for download links (including delta ISOs) and t

Re: Review swap

On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 2:02 AM, Thomas Spura wrote: > Taken. > > Could you review ptyprocess, which is a new dependency of python-pexpect: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1167830 Taken. Thank you! -- Jerry James http://www.jamezone.org/ -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedorapro

Re: How many users does Fedora have?

On 2 December 2014 at 11:27, Owen Taylor wrote: > On Tue, 2014-12-02 at 11:12 -0700, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > > > On 2 December 2014 at 09:22, Matthew Miller > > wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 05:15:38PM +0100, jfm...@free.fr > > wrote: > > > Now it seems Fedor

Re: How many users does Fedora have?

On Tue, 2014-12-02 at 11:12 -0700, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > On 2 December 2014 at 09:22, Matthew Miller > wrote: > On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 05:15:38PM +0100, jfm...@free.fr > wrote: > > Now it seems Fedora's downloads have been steadily going > downwards >

Re: How many users does Fedora have?

On 2 December 2014 at 10:29, Alec Leamas wrote: > On 02/12/14 16:45, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > >> On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 09:42:24AM -0500, Ben Cotton wrote: >> > > So, a revised/enhanced/even worse set of questions: >>> > [cut] > > Some of those questions go too far imo and

Re: How many users does Fedora have?

On 2 December 2014 at 09:22, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 05:15:38PM +0100, jfm...@free.fr wrote: > > Now it seems Fedora's downloads have been steadily going downwards > > and it is highly improbable that is due to a spectacular increase of > > number of people setting local m

Re: How many users does Fedora have?

On 2 December 2014 at 09:15, wrote: > > Fedora has a number of problems > 1) It hasn't managed inspire the same kind of fanaticism Debian has. When > in Debian something > is broken, > downright dangerous (eg signed packages came much later ) or just s..cks > it is > not a bug it is a feature.

Re: How many users does Fedora have?

On 02/12/14 16:45, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 09:42:24AM -0500, Ben Cotton wrote: So, a revised/enhanced/even worse set of questions: [cut] Some of those questions go too far imo and expose too much about the individual machines and users. While I think t

Re: How many users does Fedora have?

On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 17:15:38 +0100, jfm...@free.fr wrote: 2) It has an uninspiring installer. In that it doesn't advertise enough features? (I remember seeing promos for joining Fedora as a contributor and Rythmbox when doing some repeated installs over the Thanksgiving weekend. But the

Re: Power consumption with Fedora

On Tue, 2014-12-02 at 11:33 -0500, Owen Taylor wrote: > > * The backlight eats a ton of battery - 4W for the display backlight > and 1W for the keyboard backlight. If you are getting poor battery life, > turn off the keyboard backlight and turn the screen down. But how do we > fix this for all u

Agenda for Env-and-Stacks WG meeting (2014-12-03)

WG meeting will be at 12:00 UTC (07:00 EST, 13:00 Brno, 7:00 Boston, 21:00 Tokyo, 22:00 Brisbane) in #fedora-meeting on Freenode. = Topics = * Follow-ups * SCLs and CentOS * Chairman for next meeting * Open Floor -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/

Re: Power consumption with Fedora

Hi John, Power consumption is definitely an area that Fedora can improve, and an area where we've begun to do some investigation. Measuring battery life is hard, because when power saving is working, battery life depends so much on what the user is doing. Many manufacturers don't even provide ba

Re: How many users does Fedora have?

Problem: How do you know the number of horses in a country? Solution: You count horseshoes and divide by four. Jokes aside any statistician will tell you that when you can't proceed to a direct estimation you estimate something that is correlated. This is particularly useful if you are only i

Re: How many users does Fedora have?

On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 05:15:38PM +0100, jfm...@free.fr wrote: > Now it seems Fedora's downloads have been steadily going downwards > and it is highly improbable that is due to a spectacular increase of > number of people setting local mirrors. Smooge is working on some updated statistics, and fr

Re: How many users does Fedora have?

On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 10:06:04AM -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: > No idea what Matthew meant by "improve that last part" in that respect > though. Possibly he's offering to make some chicken soup? (Which, in > case that doesn't translate, is a traditional folk remedy for a cold.) Sure, chicken sou

Re: How many users does Fedora have?

On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 09:42:24AM -0500, Ben Cotton wrote: > Knowing people use what your make is a very powerful motivator. > > > So, a revised/enhanced/even worse set of questions: > > > > - How many users have installed product X/spin Y? > > - How many users have installed package X? > > - How

Re: Power consumption with Fedora

On Mon, 2014-12-01 at 22:36 -0500, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: > One related issue is suspend. It stopped working for me (on the same > machine) at around Fedora 12. Just stays on the black screen on > resume. 12? Five years ago? > Not that I need the feature often, but there might be people who do. >

Re: How many users does Fedora have?

On Mon, 2014-12-01 at 23:21 +0100, Alec Leamas wrote: > PS Nose-wiping? Sometimes it's hard not being a native speaker... DS It's not an idiom, I meant it literally: that something as innocent as wiping your runny nose because you have a cold would be cause for controversy. No idea what Matthew

Re: How many users does Fedora have?

On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 11:11 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > Okay, this seems like a good start. What _are_ the right questions? Oof, I walked right into this. :-) On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 6:46 AM, Alec Leamas wrote: > Hm... and backtracking this another step, an even more basic issue is "why > would

Re: Update to Parole 0.6.x stable series - completed port to GTK+3

On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 15:07:59 +0100 poma wrote: > On 01.12.2014 15:22, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > ... > > If you read bug 1065457 (or the upstream xfce list) you will see > > that while this is a stable release of parole, it depends on a > > unstable delvelopment release (4.11.x) of libxfce4ui. > > ht

Re: Single Application

On 01.12.2014 15:04, drago01 wrote: > On Monday, December 1, 2014, drago01 wrote: > >> >> >> On Monday, December 1, 2014, poma > > wrote: >> >>> >>> QtSingleApplication >>> http://doc.qt.digia.com/solutions/4/qtsingleapplication/ >>> >>> Does GTK+ has such functionality? >>> >>> >>> Yes https://

Re: How many users does Fedora have?

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Fedora 21 Final Release Readiness Meeting :: Thursday, Dec. 04, 19:00 UTC

Fedora 21 Final Release Readiness Meeting. date: 2014-12-04 place: irc.freenode.net in #fedora-meeting-2 time: 19:00 UTC (2 PM EST, 11 AM PST, 20:00 CET) This Thursday, December 04, we will meet to make sure we are coordinated and ready for the Final release of Fedora 21 on Tuesday, December 09,

Re: Update to Parole 0.6.x stable series - completed port to GTK+3

On 01.12.2014 15:22, Kevin Fenzi wrote: ... > If you read bug 1065457 (or the upstream xfce list) you will see that > while this is a stable release of parole, it depends on a unstable > delvelopment release (4.11.x) of libxfce4ui. http://git.xfce.org/apps/parole/tree/configure.ac.in?id=0.6.1#n11

Re: How many users does Fedora have?

On 1 December 2014 at 20:55, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > > On 1 December 2014 at 05:05, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> >> Am 01.12.2014 um 12:57 schrieb Pierre-Yves Chibon: >>> So we come back to the question: is any number better than no number at >>> all? >>> Even to get a trend? >> >> >> no n

Re: Entire process's environment attached to bugzillas by ABRT

On Tue, 2014-12-02 at 10:32 +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 03:36:11AM +0100, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 08:29:27PM -0500, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > Hi > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Lars Seipel wrote: > > > > > > > >

Re: Entire process's environment attached to bugzillas by ABRT

On Mon, 2014-12-01 at 16:01 +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 03:18:36PM +0100, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 01:43:39PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > > On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 07:39:47AM +0100, Jakub Filak wrote: > > > > The discussi

rawhide report: 20141202 changes

Compose started at Tue Dec 2 05:15:02 UTC 2014 Broken deps for i386 -- [3Depict] 3Depict-0.0.16-3.fc22.i686 requires libmgl.so.7.2.0 [NetworkManager-openconnect] NetworkManager-openconnect-0.9.8.4-4.fc22.i686 requires libopen

F-21 Branched report: 20141202 changes

Compose started at Tue Dec 2 07:15:03 UTC 2014 Broken deps for armhfp -- [avro] avro-mapred-1.7.5-9.fc21.noarch requires hadoop-mapreduce avro-mapred-1.7.5-9.fc21.noarch requires hadoop-client [openstack-nova] openstac

Re: How many users does Fedora have?

On 02/12/14 03:46, Ben Cotton wrote: That's not to say that there aren't useful questions that could be answered, but so far they haven't been asked. I think if you start with the right question, it will be easier to find a route to the answer. Hm... and backtracking this another step, an even

Re: Power consumption with Fedora

> On 2 Dec 2014, at 11:27, john.tiger wrote: > > Obviously priority is now on F21 bugs but looking beyond that > > I want to work with someone more knowledgeable on power consumption - it > stinks on Fedora 20. > > OSX on mac air gets 11-12 hrs Fedora gets 4 > Chrome OS on Chromebook gets 9

Re: Entire process's environment attached to bugzillas by ABRT

On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 03:36:11AM +0100, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 08:29:27PM -0500, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Hi > > > > On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Lars Seipel wrote: > > > > > > > > > There's also OpenNebula (^ONE_) and Vmware (^VI_) doing the same. See

Re: Power consumption with Fedora

- Mensaje original - > De: "john.tiger" > Para: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > Enviados: Lunes, 1 de Diciembre 2014 17:57:43 > Asunto: Power consumption with Fedora > > Obviously priority is now on F21 bugs but looking beyond that > > I want to work with someone more knowledgeable on

Re: Review swap

Jerry James schrieb am Mon Dec 01 2014 at 9:12:13 PM: > CVC4 has a new version with a new dependency. How about yet another > review swap, this time for abc: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1169492 > > Let me know what I can review in exchange. Thanks, > Taken. Could you revie

Fwd: Broken dependencies: glances

Dear all, We have a case here of a dependent package, requiring a higher version of python-psutil than is currently built. There are some other packages that depend on psutil:  sudo dnf repoquery --whatrequires python-psutil autotest-framework-server-0:0.16.0-3.fc21.noarch fedmsg-0:0.11.0-1.fc21