Re: systemd dependencies

On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 12:38:20AM +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > The reason for dependency on systemd is different: if a package carries > a systemd unit, it should usually be enabled according to presets. It > should also be cleaned up when the package is removed. This requires > a d

[Test-Announce] 2014-08-27 @ 16:00 UTC ** F21 Blocker Review

# F21 Blocker Review meeting # Date: 2014-08-27 # Time: 16:00 UTC (12:00 EDT, 09:00 PDT) # Location: #fedora-blocker-review on irc.freenode.net Greetings testers! It's time again tomorrow for another blocker review meeting! Currently there are 4 proposed blockers, but more can certainly be reporte

Re: systemd dependencies

On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 07:15:46PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > >> > What's the rationale here? I mean, we have so many dependencies, if > >> > you want to minimize them, you have a lng way to go... > >> > >> When I bootstrapped Fedora for ARM way back when, I had to deal with > >> these depe

Re: Mongo client in Rawhide

On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 11:41 PM, Sérgio Basto wrote: > On Ter, 2014-08-26 at 15:57 -0600, Pete Zaitcev wrote: >> Guys, does anyone know what's up with this (in mock_output.log): >> >> ... >> Start: build setup for iwhd-1.6-12.fc22.src.rpm >> ERROR: >> Exception(/var/tmp/koji/tasks/63

Re: Mongo client in Rawhide

On Ter, 2014-08-26 at 15:57 -0600, Pete Zaitcev wrote: > Guys, does anyone know what's up with this (in mock_output.log): > > ... > Start: build setup for iwhd-1.6-12.fc22.src.rpm > ERROR: > Exception(/var/tmp/koji/tasks/6322/7456322/local/work/cli-build/1409089719.76847.osWulSbq/iwh

Re: systemd dependencies

On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 10:16:46AM -0500, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, DJ Delorie said: > > Perhaps the bug is this: that you need to install a whole other RPM > > just to make a directory exist so you can put a file in it. > > > > Why can't the RPM providing the file just make the dire

[perl-Sys-Mmap] Perl 5.20 rebuild

commit 2cda3bfbbe923f237b5219e3ffc4aa16d8823c51 Author: Jitka Plesnikova Date: Wed Aug 27 00:06:22 2014 +0200 Perl 5.20 rebuild perl-Sys-Mmap.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Sys-Mmap.spec b/perl-Sys-Mmap.spec index 654aae2..bb1caab

Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2014-08-27)

Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting Wednesday at 17:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto or run: date -d '2014-08-27 17:00 UTC' Links to all tickets below

Mongo client in Rawhide

Guys, does anyone know what's up with this (in mock_output.log): ... Start: build setup for iwhd-1.6-12.fc22.src.rpm ERROR: Exception(/var/tmp/koji/tasks/6322/7456322/local/work/cli-build/1409089719.76847.osWulSbq/iwhd-1.6-12.fc22.src.rpm) Config(f22-build-2326357-414230) 0 minutes 1

Re: systemd dependencies

On 2014-08-26 11:55, Lennart Poettering wrote: Well, Fedora is not a distribution that cares about whether it is easily bootstrappable. It never was a goal to be one. If you want to make it one, then that's fine, but that'd be something to make an official goal first, by going through FESCO... I

Re: OCaml 4.02.0+rc1 rebuild (was: Re: Contacting the Ocaml maintainers)

On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 09:12:34AM -0600, Jerry James wrote: > On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 2:02 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > The script should build them in BuildRequires order automatically. > > However in this case I have blocked frama-c and gappalib-coq because > > they didn't build in the pre

Re: systemd dependencies

>> > What's the rationale here? I mean, we have so many dependencies, if >> > you want to minimize them, you have a lng way to go... >> >> When I bootstrapped Fedora for ARM way back when, I had to deal with >> these dependencies. A lot. Finding a minimal set of RPMs to > > Well, Fedora is no

Re: systemd dependencies

On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Josh Boyer said: >> Would you be willing to craft a patch and send it to the rsync >> maintainer to do that? > > I believe (later in this thread) someone said that has already been > done, as "rsync-daemon". Excellent. Miss

Re: systemd dependencies

Once upon a time, Josh Boyer said: > Would you be willing to craft a patch and send it to the rsync > maintainer to do that? I believe (later in this thread) someone said that has already been done, as "rsync-daemon". -- Chris Adams -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://a

Re: systemd dependencies

On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Stephen John Smoogen said: >> So after looking at several different container images kickstarts I notice >> they all seem to remove systemd as it is provided by the base systemd of >> the system. I don't know if that is the c

[perl-Digest] Perl 5.20 rebuild

commit 00c58f048eb35548ea1086b2cfc7b3744fc622f0 Author: Jitka Plesnikova Date: Tue Aug 26 19:38:32 2014 +0200 Perl 5.20 rebuild perl-Digest.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Digest.spec b/perl-Digest.spec index bc59bec..633b2d2 10064

Re: systemd dependencies

Once upon a time, Stephen John Smoogen said: > So after looking at several different container images kickstarts I notice > they all seem to remove systemd as it is provided by the base systemd of > the system. I don't know if that is the correct method or not, but seems to > be the common practic

Re: systemd dependencies

On 08/26/2014 04:59 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: 2) sytemd should consider to provide -filesystem package, which would limit the dependency to single small package (but this might be return to the -units subpackage days? Not sure). It's not (just) filesystem ownership, it's scriptlet processing: ht

Re: systemd dependencies

On 08/26/2014 04:59 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 26.8.2014 11:06, Michal Sekletar napsal(a): On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 09:32:26AM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: Hi, Hi Vít, Recently I have noticed that systemd package dependency is creeping into some packages where it is not necessary. subversion [1]

Re: systemd dependencies

On Tue, 26.08.14 10:44, DJ Delorie (d...@redhat.com) wrote: > > > What's the rationale here? I mean, we have so many dependencies, if > > you want to minimize them, you have a lng way to go... > > When I bootstrapped Fedora for ARM way back when, I had to deal with > these dependencies. A l

Re: Re: systemd dependencies

On Tuesday 26 August 2014 18:43:22 Lennart Poettering wrote: > Honestly, I kinda like the pragmatism on Fedora, so far, that there's > no need to split up packages into a myriad of mini packges. And I > think that texlive packaging is an absolute disaster, where things are > split up to the maximum

Re: systemd dependencies

On 26 August 2014 10:43, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Tue, 26.08.14 14:55, Vít Ondruch (vondr...@redhat.com) wrote: > > > Just to be clear, systemd-libs is in minimal build root already, so > I am > > not complaining about systemd-libs package, but about systemd > package. > > >>> Wha

Re: Multiple different licenses for tag in a appdata file

On 26/08/14 10:42, Richard Hughes wrote: > On 25 August 2014 20:09, Erik Schilling wrote: >> I am being on rawhide here. Is there anything I am doing wrong? > > Rawhide might not be new enough; have you got libappstream-glib >= > 0.2.5 installed? No. My Docker rawhide has 0.1.6. So I guess I h

Re: systemd dependencies

On Tue, 26.08.14 14:55, Vít Ondruch (vondr...@redhat.com) wrote: > Just to be clear, systemd-libs is in minimal build root already, so I am > not complaining about systemd-libs package, but about systemd package. > >>> What's the rationale here? I mean, we have so many dependencies, if y

Re: Self introduction: Valentin Gologuzov

Hi Valentin, Welcome to Fedora, I met Copr in FLOCK 2014 and for me is a great project. Regards! Enviado con MailTrack On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 9:27 AM, Valentin Gologuzov wrote: > Hi ev

F21 Alpha Change Freeze

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, As the Fedora 21 schedule[1] states the Alpha change freeze is upon us and we have a confidence in delivering RC composes. As we are now at the change freeze bodhi will be enabled for f21 tomorrow morning US Time. It means all builds will now

Re: Proposal for every WG to send a short summary *to other WGs directly*

On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 16:46:40 +0200 Honza Horak wrote: ...snip... I'm not against each group doing a summary, but as noted by Josh, sometimes the summaries are very repetitive ( ...still working on implemeting roles... etc) > List of proposed MLs to send this summary to: > ser...@lists.fedorapro

Re: systemd dependencies

Once upon a time, DJ Delorie said: > Perhaps the bug is this: that you need to install a whole other RPM > just to make a directory exist so you can put a file in it. > > Why can't the RPM providing the file just make the directory and not > have a dependency at all? It used to work (more or les

Re: systemd dependencies

On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 12:59:23PM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: > 2) sytemd should consider to provide -filesystem package, which would > limit the dependency to single small package (but this might be return > to the -units subpackage days? Not sure). The directories can probably just be added to t

Re: OCaml 4.02.0+rc1 rebuild (was: Re: Contacting the Ocaml maintainers)

On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 2:02 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > The script should build them in BuildRequires order automatically. > However in this case I have blocked frama-c and gappalib-coq because > they didn't build in the previous round, see: > > http://git.annexia.org/?p=goals.git;a=blob;f=fe

Re: Proposal for every WG to send a short summary *to other WGs directly*

Isn't this what the meetingminutes mailing list is for? I'd argue that a better solution is to have regular (not weekly) coordination meetings where representatives of the WGs can talk about what's going on and coordinate cross-WG issues. -- Ben Cotton -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedorapro

Re: systemd dependencies

On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 10:46 AM, DJ Delorie wrote: > > > If I saw systemd-filesystem installed, then I would think that > > something needs to be placed into the systemd folder structure, > > Perhaps the bug is this: that you need to install a whole other RPM > just to make a directory exist so

[perl-YAML/el5] Fix a couple of bugs

commit a687d86815f182ffaea9ea7c70f3d1d6d3aace33 Author: Paul Howarth Date: Tue Aug 26 16:02:00 2014 +0100 Fix a couple of bugs - Fix YAML::Dumper minimum example does not work (#567620, CPAN RT#19838) - Fix handling of large input data (CPAN RT#90593) - Drop %defattr, redun

Re: Proposal for every WG to send a short summary *to other WGs directly*

- Original Message - > I don't have any major objections to this, but I will note that > reports stopped being sent to FESCo because at some point they were > kind of redundant. "Still working on thing X" every week isn't really > something that needs to be sent. So I would avoid a weekly

Re: ca-certificates 2014.2.1 will remove several still valid CA certificates with weak keys

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 12:36:47PM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: > $ gem fetch power_assert > ERROR: Could not find a valid gem 'power_assert' (>= 0), here is why: > Unable to download data from https://rubygems.org/ - > SSL_connect returned=1

Re: systemd dependencies

On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 10:44 AM, DJ Delorie wrote: > >> What's the rationale here? I mean, we have so many dependencies, if >> you want to minimize them, you have a lng way to go... > > When I bootstrapped Fedora for ARM way back when, I had to deal with > these dependencies. A lot. Finding

Re: Proposal for every WG to send a short summary *to other WGs directly*

On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Honza Horak wrote: > Hi working groups members, > > since we have learned on Flock that new Fedora working groups do not > communicate with each other much (or enough), I'd like to propose the > following: > > Every working group will time to time (e.g. weekly) se

Proposal for every WG to send a short summary *to other WGs directly*

Hi working groups members, since we have learned on Flock that new Fedora working groups do not communicate with each other much (or enough), I'd like to propose the following: Every working group will time to time (e.g. weekly) send short summary about what they did / were talking about dir

Re: systemd dependencies

> If I saw systemd-filesystem installed, then I would think that > something needs to be placed into the systemd folder structure, Perhaps the bug is this: that you need to install a whole other RPM just to make a directory exist so you can put a file in it. Why can't the RPM providing the file

Re: systemd dependencies

> What's the rationale here? I mean, we have so many dependencies, if > you want to minimize them, you have a lng way to go... When I bootstrapped Fedora for ARM way back when, I had to deal with these dependencies. A lot. Finding a minimal set of RPMs to cross-compile to get a bootable cor

Self introduction: Valentin Gologuzov

Hi everybody, My name is Valentin Gologuzov. I've recently joined Copr project at Red Hat. Prior I've been using Linux for a long time, but it was primarily debian, so the RH/Fedora ecosystem quite new for me. I have 3 year experience of backend development in Python, mainly aimed for service

Re: Agenda for Env-and-Stacks WG meeting (2014-08-26)

#fedora-meeting: Env and Stacks (2014-08-26) Meeting started by mmaslano at 13:00:13 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-08-26/env-and-stacks.2014-08-26-

F-21 Branched report: 20140826 changes

Compose started at Tue Aug 26 07:15:03 UTC 2014 Broken deps for armhfp -- [APLpy] APLpy-0.9.8-5.fc21.noarch requires pywcs [PyKDE] PyKDE-3.16.6-14.fc20.armv7hl requires sip-api(10) >= 0:10.0 [PyQuante] PyQuante-libint-

Re: systemd dependencies

On 26. 8. 2014 at 14:55:34, Vít Ondruch wrote: > Dne 26.8.2014 14:23, Lennart Poettering napsal(a): > > On Tue, 26.08.14 14:18, Vít Ondruch (vondr...@redhat.com) wrote: > Recently I have noticed that systemd package dependency is creeping > into > some packages where it is not necess

Re: systemd dependencies

Dne 26.8.2014 14:55, Vít Ondruch napsal(a): > Dne 26.8.2014 14:23, Lennart Poettering napsal(a): >> On Tue, 26.08.14 14:18, Vít Ondruch (vondr...@redhat.com) wrote: >> > Recently I have noticed that systemd package dependency is creeping into > some packages where it is not necessary. subve

Re: systemd dependencies

Dne 26.8.2014 14:23, Lennart Poettering napsal(a): > On Tue, 26.08.14 14:18, Vít Ondruch (vondr...@redhat.com) wrote: > Recently I have noticed that systemd package dependency is creeping into some packages where it is not necessary. subversion [1] or rsync [2] are good examples. Ple

rawhide report: 20140826 changes

Broken deps for i386 -- [APLpy] APLpy-0.9.8-5.fc21.noarch requires pywcs [PyKDE] PyKDE-3.16.6-14.fc20.i686 requires sip-api(10) >= 0:10.0 [PyQuante] PyQuante-libint-1.6.4-11.fc22.1.i686 requires libint(x86-32) = 0:1.1.

Re: systemd dependencies

On Tue, 26.08.14 14:22, Vít Ondruch (vondr...@redhat.com) wrote: > > I am really against splitting things up into a million of subpackages, > > unless you have a ver good reason for a split. > > I am against installing million packages when I expect one. If I saw > systemd-filesystem installed, t

Re: systemd dependencies

On Tue, 26.08.14 14:18, Vít Ondruch (vondr...@redhat.com) wrote: > >> Recently I have noticed that systemd package dependency is creeping into > >> some packages where it is not necessary. subversion [1] or rsync [2] are > >> good examples. Please consider moving daemon parts into independent > >>

Re: systemd dependencies

Dne 26.8.2014 13:51, Lennart Poettering napsal(a): > On Tue, 26.08.14 12:59, Vít Ondruch (vondr...@redhat.com) wrote: > >> 2) sytemd should consider to provide -filesystem package, which would >> limit the dependency to single small package (but this might be return >> to the -units subpackage days

Re: systemd dependencies

Dne 26.8.2014 13:49, Lennart Poettering napsal(a): > On Tue, 26.08.14 09:32, Vít Ondruch (vondr...@redhat.com) wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Recently I have noticed that systemd package dependency is creeping into >> some packages where it is not necessary. subversion [1] or rsync [2] are >> good examples.

Re: systemd dependencies

On Tue, 26.08.14 12:59, Vít Ondruch (vondr...@redhat.com) wrote: > 2) sytemd should consider to provide -filesystem package, which would > limit the dependency to single small package (but this might be return > to the -units subpackage days? Not sure). Why? I am really against splitting things

Re: systemd dependencies

On Tue, 26.08.14 11:06, Michal Sekletar (msekl...@redhat.com) wrote: > > Recently I have noticed that systemd package dependency is creeping into > > some packages where it is not necessary. subversion [1] or rsync [2] are > > good examples. Please consider moving daemon parts into independent > >

Re: systemd dependencies

On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 12:59:23PM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: > Dne 26.8.2014 11:06, Michal Sekletar napsal(a): > > On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 09:32:26AM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: > >> Hi, > > Hi Vít, > > > >> Recently I have noticed that systemd package dependency is creeping into > >> some packages w

Re: systemd dependencies

On Tue, 26.08.14 09:32, Vít Ondruch (vondr...@redhat.com) wrote: > Hi, > > Recently I have noticed that systemd package dependency is creeping into > some packages where it is not necessary. subversion [1] or rsync [2] are > good examples. Please consider moving daemon parts into independent > su

Re: systemd dependencies

Dne 26.8.2014 11:06, Michal Sekletar napsal(a): > On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 09:32:26AM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: >> Hi, > Hi Vít, > >> Recently I have noticed that systemd package dependency is creeping into >> some packages where it is not necessary. subversion [1] or rsync [2] are >> good examples.

Re: Circular dependencies in RPM

On 2014-08-25, Miroslav Suchý wrote: > Or we can wait for F21, which will have weak dependencies in RPM. And > I anticipate that weak dependencies will break a lot of circles. > Does Fedora have guidelines what should and what should not be a weak dependency? My experience with Perl packages is t

Re: ca-certificates 2014.2.1 will remove several still valid CA certificates with weak keys

Hi Kay, This update has potential to break RubyGems with error: $ gem fetch power_assert ERROR: Could not find a valid gem 'power_assert' (>= 0), here is why: Unable to download data from https://rubygems.org/ - SSL_connect returned=1 errno=0 state=SSLv3 read server certificate B: cer

ICU upgraded to 53.1 with soname bump

Hi all, ICU has been upgraded to 53.1 in Rawhide. This includes a soname bump, as usual. I will start rebuilding dependencies when the build gets into the buildroot. D. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Condu

Re: Circular dependencies in RPM

On 2014-08-24, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > Installation scripting is not the only source of the problem. Perl > modules have been prone to this. > > * Perl module A requires perl module B. > * Perl module B requires perl module C. > * One small script or macro in module C requires one small script

Re: systemd dependencies

On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 09:32:26AM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: > Hi, Hi Vít, > > Recently I have noticed that systemd package dependency is creeping into > some packages where it is not necessary. subversion [1] or rsync [2] are > good examples. Please consider moving daemon parts into independent

Re: Multiple different licenses for tag in a appdata file

On 25 August 2014 20:09, Erik Schilling wrote: > I am being on rawhide here. Is there anything I am doing wrong? Rawhide might not be new enough; have you got libappstream-glib >= 0.2.5 installed? Richard -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailma

Re: OCaml 4.02.0+rc1 rebuild (was: Re: Contacting the Ocaml maintainers)

On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 01:22:04PM -0600, Jerry James wrote: > On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 9:28 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > This is complete now. There were four or five packages which didn't > > rebuild which I'll look at after the UK public holiday. > > Your rebuild script did coq, flocq, an

systemd dependencies

Hi, Recently I have noticed that systemd package dependency is creeping into some packages where it is not necessary. subversion [1] or rsync [2] are good examples. Please consider moving daemon parts into independent subpackages. When I install rsync/subversion, I am typically interested just in