Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2014-03-05)

Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting Wednesday at 18:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto or run: date -d '2014-03-05 18:00 UTC' Links to all tickets below

Re: Meeting minutes for Env-and-Stacks WG meeting (2014-03-03)

On Tue, Mar 04, 2014 at 03:23:28PM +0100, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: > > * additional repository - Playground requirements (mmaslano, 13:03:05) > * how do updates work (rolling? bodhi? Will we constantly be > regenerating the repodata [like the rawhide build repo?]) > (mmaslano, 13:07:16)

Re: Major release number bump is lower than beta for html5lib module.

On Mar 3, 2014 9:39 PM, "Adam Williamson" wrote: > > On Mon, 2014-03-03 at 11:05 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Reindl Harald wrote: > > > yes it is a hack but better than fake version numbers to > > > satisfy RPM and that is *the* reason epoch exists at all > > > > +1 > > > > That Ubuntu-style ap

Re: Can I use nested macros in a .spec file ?

On 04.03.2014 20:22, Sébastien Boisvert wrote: Hi, My package (Ray) relies on mpich2. The new name for mpich2 is mpich, but the name is still mpich2 in el6. So I defined a variable named mpichName. I was wondering why nested macros like this one are not working: %{_%{mpichName}_load}

Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical Specification

On 3/4/14, 3:43 PM, Ric Wheeler wrote: > On 03/04/2014 11:26 PM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: >> On 02/28/2014 03:45 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: >>> As a server WG member I voted +1 on XFS as I have no particular objection >>> to XFS as a filesystem, but I do think it seems a bit sub-optimal for us to

Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical Specification

On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 9:01 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Mar 3, 2014, at 4:57 PM, Jon wrote: >> >> We no longer release Fedora ARM rootfs tarballs, too hard to educate >> people to do the right thing with ACL's, xattrs, selinux, etc... >> Anyhow, it's actually a great way to ship a Fedora rootf

Re: exclude people from giving karma?

On Thu, 2014-02-27 at 09:07 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Thu, 2014-02-27 at 02:18 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Miloslav Trmač wrote: > > > I fully agree with you testers giving +1 is not even close to proper > > > validation, but what alternative to get proper validation do you propose > >

Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical Specification

On 03/04/2014 11:26 PM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: On 02/28/2014 03:45 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: As a server WG member I voted +1 on XFS as I have no particular objection to XFS as a filesystem, but I do think it seems a bit sub-optimal for us to wind up with server and desktop having defaults t

Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical Specification

On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 4:35 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Przemek Klosowski said: >> I am pretty sure that ext4 is a built-in module in Fedora kernels, >> as well as in the boot environment; making XFS the default will >> require also building it in, pretty much forever, while we sti

Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical Specification

Once upon a time, Przemek Klosowski said: > I understand that by now XFS got so much exercise that its > robustness is unimpeachable. As to the size, I see that while the > latest XFS kernel module is one of the larger kernel modules around, > it probably is no longer significant on today's multi

Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical Specification

On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: > I am pretty sure that ext4 is a built-in module in Fedora kernels, as well > as in the boot environment; making XFS the default will require also > building it in, pretty much forever, while we still need extXX, and whatever > comes next (

Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical Specification

On 02/28/2014 03:45 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: As a server WG member I voted +1 on XFS as I have no particular objection to XFS as a filesystem, but I do think it seems a bit sub-optimal for us to wind up with server and desktop having defaults that are very similar but slightly different, for

Can I use nested macros in a .spec file ?

Hi, My package (Ray) relies on mpich2. The new name for mpich2 is mpich, but the name is still mpich2 in el6. So I defined a variable named mpichName. I was wondering why nested macros like this one are not working: %{_%{mpichName}_load} However, this works, but it is longer: %if %mpich

Re: F21 System Wide Change: cron to systemd time units

On Tue, 04.03.14 11:27, Pete Travis (li...@petetravis.com) wrote: > > I'd also like to make sure we sell this properly. While I think it > > should be a goal to port all cronjobs we *ship* over to this, I want to > > make sure that cron is advertised as a good solution for people who just > > want

[Bug 1057012] abi-compliance-checker-1.99.9 is available

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1057012 --- Comment #2 from Fedora Update System --- abi-compliance-checker-1.99.9-1.fc20 has been submitted as an update for Fedora 20. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/abi-compliance-checker-1.99.9-1.fc20 -- You are receiving this mail beca

Re: Packages with missing %check

On 25 February 2014 11:19, Mikolaj Izdebski wrote: > On 02/25/2014 11:45 AM, Alexander Todorov wrote: > > 3) Another proposal (sorry don't remember who proposed it) was to have > > %check with a comment why the test suite is not executed (e.g. requires > > network) or why it is executed in %build

[Bug 1057012] abi-compliance-checker-1.99.9 is available

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1057012 --- Comment #1 from Fedora Update System --- abi-compliance-checker-1.99.9-1.fc19 has been submitted as an update for Fedora 19. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/abi-compliance-checker-1.99.9-1.fc19 -- You are receiving this mail beca

Re: F21 System Wide Change: cron to systemd time units

On Mar 4, 2014 7:51 AM, "Matthew Miller" wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 04, 2014 at 03:32:03PM +0100, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > = Proposed System Wide Change: cron to systemd time units = > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/cron-to-systemd-time-units > > I'm in favor, but I think we could use a li

Re: F21 System Wide Change: cron to systemd time units

On Mar 4, 2014 10:52 AM, "Lennart Poettering" wrote: > > On Tue, 04.03.14 15:54, Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) wrote: > > > Hello, > > 2014-03-04 15:32 GMT+01:00 Jaroslav Reznik : > > > > > = Proposed System Wide Change: cron to systemd time units = > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/cr

Re: Packaging guideline for a library using either Qt4 or Qt5

On Tue, 2014-03-04 at 17:12 +0100, Laurent Rineau wrote: > libQGLViewer (http://www.libqglviewer.com/) is a library that can be build > with either Qt4 or Qt5, with recent versions. > > I am considering providing packages build with both Qt4 and Qt5. I personally > need both versions for my dail

Re: F21 System Wide Change: cron to systemd time units

On 03/04/2014 05:42 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: 2014-03-04 18:34 GMT+01:00 "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" >: On 03/04/2014 02:54 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: Hello, 2014-03-04 15:32 GMT+01:00 Jaroslav Reznik mailto:jrez...@redhat.com>>: = Proposed System Wid

Re: State of Python 3 as default in Fedora

On Tue, Mar 04, 2014 at 11:15:34AM -0500, Dan Scott wrote: > On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 7:52 AM, Miro Hrončok wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I've just published a blogpost that summarizes what's going on with Python > > 3 as default in Fedora. > > > > You can find it here: > > > > http://eng.hroncok.cz/20

Re: Packaging guideline for a library using either Qt4 or Qt5

Laurent Rineau wrote: > libQGLViewer (http://www.libqglviewer.com/) is a library that can be build > with either Qt4 or Qt5, with recent versions. > > I am considering providing packages build with both Qt4 and Qt5. I > personally need both versions for my daily job (to test compatibility). Idea

Re: F21 System Wide Change: cron to systemd time units

On Tue, 04.03.14 15:54, Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) wrote: > Hello, > 2014-03-04 15:32 GMT+01:00 Jaroslav Reznik : > > > = Proposed System Wide Change: cron to systemd time units = > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/cron-to-systemd-time-units It is probably time to port over these job

Re: F21 System Wide Change: cron to systemd time units

2014-03-04 18:34 GMT+01:00 "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" : > On 03/04/2014 02:54 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > > Hello, > 2014-03-04 15:32 GMT+01:00 Jaroslav Reznik : > >> = Proposed System Wide Change: cron to systemd time units = >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/cron-to-systemd-time-units >>

Re: F21 System Wide Change: cron to systemd time units

On 03/04/2014 02:54 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: Hello, 2014-03-04 15:32 GMT+01:00 Jaroslav Reznik >: = Proposed System Wide Change: cron to systemd time units = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/cron-to-systemd-time-units I'm not so sure this should be

Re: OpenQA [was Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical] Specification

On Tue, 2014-03-04 at 07:51 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Mon, Mar 03, 2014 at 06:55:44PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > > I just want to make sure anyone who wants to do this goes in with an > > accurate knowledge of the work that's likely to be involved. I also want > > to explain that the f

Re: F21 System Wide Change: System-wide crypto policy

2014-02-27 17:22 GMT+01:00 Jaroslav Reznik : > = Proposed System Wide Change: System-wide crypto policy = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/CryptoPolicy > > Unify the crypto policies used by different applications and libraries. Is this for TLS only? The description suggest this, but it'

Re: State of Python 3 as default in Fedora

On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 7:52 AM, Miro Hrončok wrote: > Hi, > > I've just published a blogpost that summarizes what's going on with Python > 3 as default in Fedora. > > You can find it here: > > http://eng.hroncok.cz/2014/02/12/python3-fedora-default/ > > Feel free to post any comments on my blog

Packaging guideline for a library using either Qt4 or Qt5

libQGLViewer (http://www.libqglviewer.com/) is a library that can be build with either Qt4 or Qt5, with recent versions. I am considering providing packages build with both Qt4 and Qt5. I personally need both versions for my daily job (to test compatibility). I do not think we already have such

Re: F21 System Wide Change: cron to systemd time units

Hello, 2014-03-04 15:32 GMT+01:00 Jaroslav Reznik : > = Proposed System Wide Change: cron to systemd time units = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/cron-to-systemd-time-units > > == Scope == > (Everyone), please keep the explicit "Proposal owners"/"other developers"/"release engineering"/"

Re: F21 System Wide Change: cron to systemd time units

On Tue, Mar 04, 2014 at 03:32:03PM +0100, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > = Proposed System Wide Change: cron to systemd time units = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/cron-to-systemd-time-units I'm in favor, but I think we could use a little bit more in the release notes -- at least a link to the

F21 System Wide Change: cron to systemd time units

= Proposed System Wide Change: cron to systemd time units = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/cron-to-systemd-time-units Change owner(s): Jóhann B. Guðmundsson Fix dependency on crontab in packages containing cron jobs as well as migrate cron jobs that are applicable to native systemd time

Meeting minutes for Env-and-Stacks WG meeting (2014-03-03)

#fedora-meeting: Env and Stacks (2014-03-04) Meeting started by mmaslano_ at 13:00:45 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-03-04/env-and-stacks.2014-03-04

Re: F21 System Wide Change: System-wide crypto policy

2014-02-27 18:30 GMT+01:00 Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos : > On Thu, 2014-02-27 at 16:35 +, Colin Walters wrote: > > wrote: > > > and being applied after executing update-crypto-profiles. (Note: it > > > would be better to have a daemon that watches those files and runs > > > update-crypto-profiles

Orphaning spacewalk-branding

Hi, I just orphaned spacewalk-branding. New version have new dependency (bootstrap-less), which is not present in Fedora and I have no intention to package it there. -- Miroslav Suchy, RHCE, RHCDS Red Hat, Senior Software Engineer, #brno, #devexp, #fedora-buildsys -- devel mailing list devel@lis

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Lohit Odia Gurumukhi font naming

Hello, 2014-03-03 15:31 GMT+01:00 Jaroslav Reznik : > = Proposed Self Contained Change: Lohit Odia Gurumukhi font naming = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Lohit_Odia_Gurumukhi > This > Other developers: N/A (not a System Wide Change) > and this > * Anaconda need to update default fon

Re: GSoC feedback.

On Tue, 4 Mar 2014 18:59:35 +0530 Vidhun Vinod wrote: > Hey everyone, > I'm currently working on refining the GSoC idea "Infrastructure for > FreeMedia group". As someone on the Freemedia team, would you mind letting us know what your trying to do? https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listi

GSoC feedback.

Hey everyone, I'm currently working on refining the GSoC idea "Infrastructure for FreeMedia group". I've worked out some key points for this. It would be nice if I could get some suggestions and feddback on this so that I can work on making my proposal. Key Points: Required actors: 1> General (no

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Access control in PCSC

2014-02-27 16:59 GMT+01:00 Jaroslav Reznik : > = Proposed System Wide Change: Access control in PCSC = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/PcscAccessControl > A release note that describes the impact on remote users (or daemons) would be helpful. Mirek -- devel mailing list devel@lists.

OpenQA [was Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical] Specification

On Mon, Mar 03, 2014 at 06:55:44PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > I just want to make sure anyone who wants to do this goes in with an > accurate knowledge of the work that's likely to be involved. I also want > to explain that the folks we have in QA already who are interested in > working on too

Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical Specification

On Mon, Mar 03, 2014 at 07:05:22PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Mon, 2014-03-03 at 08:59 -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > > Now, if you want to talk about having some sort of click-through for > > "I want to try out some experimental options without going all the way > > to customizing my

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Allwinner sunxi (A10 / A13 / A20) ARM SoC support

- Original Message - > > > Does the u-boot piece require a new package or sub package of existing u-boot > we already have? Just curious. It's in the scope: "For u-boot we will create a separate u-boot-sunxi package, which can be dropped once u-boot support has been merged into u-boot up

Re: Server Technical Specification: Agenda and First Draft

On Sun, Mar 02, 2014 at 04:05:27PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Sat, Mar 01, 2014 at 02:58:41PM +0530, Kashyap Chamarthy wrote: [. . .] > > > > A single `make` job timing to compile everything on a systemd-nspawn: > > > > real31m9.792s > > user17m18.359s > > sys