[Test-Announce] PSA: Use fedup 0.8 for upgrades to Fedora 20! (was Re: Should a working fedup in Fedora N's stable repository be a release criterion for N+1?)

2013-12-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 21:47 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 15:16 -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: > > I have a tendency to upgrade to a new Fedora release as soon as it's > > final, and I sometimes upgrade even sooner. ISTM that the official > > upgrade process is almost alwa

Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-12-18)

2013-12-17 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting Wednesday at 18:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto or run: date -d '2013-12-18 18:00 UTC' Links to all tickets belo

Re: Should a working fedup in Fedora N's stable repository be a release criterion for N+1?

2013-12-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 15:16 -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: > I have a tendency to upgrade to a new Fedora release as soon as it's > final, and I sometimes upgrade even sooner. ISTM that the official > upgrade process is almost always broken, often for known reasons. > Should one of the criteria f

Re: Self Introduction and koan de-orphaning

2013-12-17 Thread Orion Poplawski
On 12/17/2013 07:55 AM, Stephen Herr wrote: On 12/16/2013 03:48 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: On 12/16/2013 12:22 PM, Stephen Herr wrote: On 12/13/2013 03:19 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: On 12/13/2013 12:49 PM, Stephen Herr wrote: Hi everyone, I'm Stephen Herr (sherr). I noticed that the koan pac

Re: Should a working fedup in Fedora N's stable repository be a release criterion for N+1?

2013-12-17 Thread Andrew Lutomirski
On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 6:47 PM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 18:33 -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: >> I don't think Fedora is doing its users any favors by declaring F20 to >> be released when upgrading from F19 using 'fedup --source network 20' >> is known to be broken. The

Re: Inter-WG coordination: Stable application runtimes

2013-12-17 Thread Chris Murphy
On Dec 17, 2013, at 5:40 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Miloslav Trmač wrote: >> a) Do we all agree that we need to solve this? > > No. > > We should not compromise our design principles (and, e.g., endorse an > abominable hack like SCLs) just to allow obsolete applications to run on > current ve

Re: Should a working fedup in Fedora N's stable repository be a release criterion for N+1?

2013-12-17 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 18:33 -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: > I don't think Fedora is doing its users any favors by declaring F20 to > be released when upgrading from F19 using 'fedup --source network 20' > is known to be broken. The bleeding-edge types can already upgrade to > the beta. I'm atte

Re: Should a working fedup in Fedora N's stable repository be a release criterion for N+1?

2013-12-17 Thread Andrew Lutomirski
On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Emmanuel Seyman wrote: > * Andrew Lutomirski [17/12/2013 15:22] : >> >> I propose changing that to something like "Install fedup. The version >> of fedup used must be the most recent stable release.) > > Given that you yourself report that the most recent stable r

Re: Review swap: python-astropy

2013-12-17 Thread Christopher Meng
Swap with https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1033433 if you like. I need to handle these remaining bugs now. Thanks. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduc

Re: Should a working fedup in Fedora N's stable repository be a release criterion for N+1?

2013-12-17 Thread Emmanuel Seyman
* Andrew Lutomirski [17/12/2013 15:22] : > > I propose changing that to something like "Install fedup. The version > of fedup used must be the most recent stable release.) Given that you yourself report that the most recent stable release of fedup does not work, I'm not sure why you would want t

Re: Should a working fedup in Fedora N's stable repository be a release criterion for N+1?

2013-12-17 Thread Kevin Kofler
Andrew Lutomirski wrote: > I have a tendency to upgrade to a new Fedora release as soon as it's > final, and I sometimes upgrade even sooner. [snip] > ends up downloading all rpms *twice* a sucking up a correspondingly > immense amount of disk space. That's the punishment for your impatience. :-p

Re: Inter-WG coordination: Stable application runtimes

2013-12-17 Thread Kevin Kofler
Miloslav Trmač wrote: > a) Do we all agree that we need to solve this? No. We should not compromise our design principles (and, e.g., endorse an abominable hack like SCLs) just to allow obsolete applications to run on current versions of Fedora or the other way round. Current applications need

Re: Inter-WG coordination: Stable application runtimes

2013-12-17 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On þri 17.des 2013 22:24, Miloslav Trmač wrote: Hello, Looking at the current WG outputs, it seems that nobody is taking on the problem of stable application runtimes: Probably because no maintainer has been asked for how long release cycle they considered they could/would maintain their comp

Re: Inter-WG coordination: Stable application runtimes

2013-12-17 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 15:27 -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: > there are > lots of libraries where, for example, .so.6 would be a perfectly fine > replacement for .so.7, but the system doesn't know that. I think the authors of these libraries screwed up. Namely, libudev and libffi were both mista

Re: Inter-WG coordination: Stable application runtimes

2013-12-17 Thread Andrew Lutomirski
On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Colin Walters wrote: > Hi Andrew, > > On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 15:05 -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: > >> There will be a similar problem in the docker images, unless you're >> suggesting that everyone use Ubuntu-in-docker-on-Fedora/RHEL. > > True, but it becomes the

Re: really stop "really" commits (really!)

2013-12-17 Thread T.C. Hollingsworth
On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 3:41 AM, Lukas Zapletal wrote: > On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 03:10:08AM -0700, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: >> > I do commit locally >> > although I probably don't want push the snapshot sources, because I update >> > them later, when time comes. > > +1 The more I think about thi

Re: Should a working fedup in Fedora N's stable repository be a release criterion for N+1?

2013-12-17 Thread Andrew Lutomirski
On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: > I have a tendency to upgrade to a new Fedora release as soon as it's > final, and I sometimes upgrade even sooner. ISTM that the official > upgrade process is almost always broken, often for known reasons. > Should one of the criteria fo

Re: Inter-WG coordination: Stable application runtimes

2013-12-17 Thread Colin Walters
Hi Andrew, On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 15:05 -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: > There will be a similar problem in the docker images, unless you're > suggesting that everyone use Ubuntu-in-docker-on-Fedora/RHEL. True, but it becomes the responsibility of the container creator, not "Fedora". Anyways, I

Should a working fedup in Fedora N's stable repository be a release criterion for N+1?

2013-12-17 Thread Andrew Lutomirski
I have a tendency to upgrade to a new Fedora release as soon as it's final, and I sometimes upgrade even sooner. ISTM that the official upgrade process is almost always broken, often for known reasons. Should one of the criteria for releasing Fedora N+1 be that a fully-updated Fedora N must be abl

Re: Inter-WG coordination: Stable application runtimes

2013-12-17 Thread Andrew Lutomirski
On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Colin Walters wrote: > On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 23:24 +0100, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > >> b) Which WG will take on the task of solving this? We shouldn't end >> up with everybody agreeing that this needs to be solved, but no PRD >> proposing to solve this. Is it the B

Re: Inter-WG coordination: Stable application runtimes

2013-12-17 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 23:24 +0100, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > b) Which WG will take on the task of solving this? We shouldn't end > up with everybody agreeing that this needs to be solved, but no PRD > proposing to solve this. Is it the Base WG or the Env and Stacks WG? > Or is it up to Server and

Review swap: python-astropy

2013-12-17 Thread Sergio Pascual
Hello, I have this review https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1014738 and I'll be happy to review other package in return Thanks, Sergio -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraprojec

Inter-WG coordination: Stable application runtimes

2013-12-17 Thread Miloslav Trmač
Hello, Looking at the current WG outputs, it seems that nobody is taking on the problem of stable application runtimes: Primary requirement === If all Fedora Products are released at a fairly fast cadence, and with a fairly short support cycle, how do I write, deploy and run an app

Re: PSA: If you are C/C++ developer, use cppcheck

2013-12-17 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Tomas Hozza wrote: > Publishing scan results for all Fedora packages might not be very good > idea, > since the static analysis can find issues with possible security impact. > Sure and if someone wants to understand that security impact inorder to exploit t

Re: PSA: If you are C/C++ developer, use cppcheck

2013-12-17 Thread Tomas Hozza
- Original Message - > Hi > > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > > > The issues reported against libvirt all appear to be false positives. > Not entirely surprising since we already have coverity run against > libvirt code nightly. > > Thanks for the quick

Re: PSA: If you are C/C++ developer, use cppcheck

2013-12-17 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 01:17:14PM -0500, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > > > > The issues reported against libvirt all appear to be false positives. > > Not entirely surprising since we already have coverity run against > > libvirt

Re: PSA: If you are C/C++ developer, use cppcheck

2013-12-17 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > The issues reported against libvirt all appear to be false positives. > Not entirely surprising since we already have coverity run against > libvirt code nightly. > Thanks for the quick response.Does Red Hat run it only for p

Re: PSA: If you are C/C++ developer, use cppcheck

2013-12-17 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:17:00PM -0500, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > In the last few days, I have been running cppcheck on quite a few programs > including systemd, transmission, libvirt, ndjbdns etc and cppcheck has > found real and potential bugs (null pointer dereferences, uninitialized >

Re: PSA: If you are C/C++ developer, use cppcheck

2013-12-17 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Dan Williams wrote: > On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 12:17 -0500, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Hi > > > > In the last few days, I have been running cppcheck on quite a few > programs > > including systemd, transmission, libvirt, ndjbdns etc and cppcheck has > > found r

Re: PSA: If you are C/C++ developer, use cppcheck

2013-12-17 Thread Steve Grubb
On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 11:36:26 AM Dan Williams wrote: > > In the last few days, I have been running cppcheck on quite a few programs > > including systemd, transmission, libvirt, ndjbdns etc and cppcheck has > > found real and potential bugs (null pointer dereferences, uninitialized > > va

Re: PSA: If you are C/C++ developer, use cppcheck

2013-12-17 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 12:17 -0500, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > In the last few days, I have been running cppcheck on quite a few programs > including systemd, transmission, libvirt, ndjbdns etc and cppcheck has > found real and potential bugs (null pointer dereferences, uninitialized > variabl

PSA: If you are C/C++ developer, use cppcheck

2013-12-17 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi In the last few days, I have been running cppcheck on quite a few programs including systemd, transmission, libvirt, ndjbdns etc and cppcheck has found real and potential bugs (null pointer dereferences, uninitialized variables, memory & resource leaks etc) in each of them. I have reported th

Re: Announcing the release of Fedora 20.

2013-12-17 Thread Juerg Haefliger
> == First-Class Cloud Images == > > The Fedora Cloud SIG has been working hard to provide images that are > well-suited for running as guests in public and private clouds like Amazon > Web Services (AWS) and OpenStack. > > If you're using public or private cloud, you should grab one of the > do

Meeting minutes from Env-and-Stacks WG meeting (2013-12-17)

2013-12-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
#fedora-meeting: env and stacks (2013-12-17) Meeting started by mmaslano at 16:01:35 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-12-17/env_and_stacks.2013-12-17-

Re: Announcing the release of Fedora 20.

2013-12-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 17.12.2013 16:02, schrieb Robyn Bergeron: > We can say with great certainty the Fedora Project is pleased to announce the > release of Fedora 20 ("Heisenbug"), which coincides with the 10th anniversary > of the creation of the Fedora Project. > > Download this leading-edge, free and open so

Announcing the release of Fedora 20.

2013-12-17 Thread Robyn Bergeron
Greetings! We can say with great certainty the Fedora Project is pleased to announce the release of Fedora 20 ("Heisenbug"), which coincides with the 10th anniversary of the creation of the Fedora Project. Download this leading-edge, free and open source operating system now: http://fedorapro

Re: Self Introduction and koan de-orphaning

2013-12-17 Thread Stephen Herr
On 12/16/2013 03:48 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: On 12/16/2013 12:22 PM, Stephen Herr wrote: On 12/13/2013 03:19 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: On 12/13/2013 12:49 PM, Stephen Herr wrote: Hi everyone, I'm Stephen Herr (sherr). I noticed that the koan package is orphaned in Fedora and that it has o

Re: [Base] Proposal for buildrequires cleanup janitorial initiative

2013-12-17 Thread Ben Boeckel
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 09:04:21 +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > Patches welcome. It's only 905 lines of code. Probably not from me; most of my packages are on the small side (or are Haskell which cabal-rpm handles the dependencies for). > In the original case in this thread, we're interested

Re: review swap: python-funcparserlib and python-webcolors

2013-12-17 Thread Dridi Boukelmoune
On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Miro Hrončok wrote: > Út 17. prosinec 2013, 14:13:30 CET, Dridi Boukelmoune napsal: >> >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=python-webcolors >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=python-funcparserlib > > So I take them and you ow me two, ok? Dea

Re: review swap: python-funcparserlib and python-webcolors

2013-12-17 Thread Miro Hrončok
Út 17. prosinec 2013, 14:13:30 CET, Dridi Boukelmoune napsal: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=python-webcolors https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=python-funcparserlib So I take them and you ow me two, ok? Good news, those packages are already python3-ready, as are blockdia

review swap: python-funcparserlib and python-webcolors

2013-12-17 Thread Dridi Boukelmoune
Hello, I've recently solved problems *easily* thanks to python (I'm not yet a python person) so I thought I would give it some love and pick a python package from the wish list. I've chosen blockdiag, which I actually might start using (along with its friends seqdiag, actdiag and nwdiag) so first

Re: really stop "really" commits (really!)

2013-12-17 Thread Dridi Boukelmoune
On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Stanislav Ochotnicky wrote: > Quoting Lukas Zapletal (2013-12-17 11:41:29) >> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 03:10:08AM -0700, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: >> > > I do commit locally >> > > although I probably don't want push the snapshot sources, because I >> > > update >

Re: really stop "really" commits (really!)

2013-12-17 Thread Stanislav Ochotnicky
Quoting Lukas Zapletal (2013-12-17 11:41:29) > On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 03:10:08AM -0700, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: > > > I do commit locally > > > although I probably don't want push the snapshot sources, because I update > > > them later, when time comes. > > +1 > > > This should happen rarely e

Re: really stop "really" commits (really!)

2013-12-17 Thread Lukas Zapletal
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 03:10:08AM -0700, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: > > I do commit locally > > although I probably don't want push the snapshot sources, because I update > > them later, when time comes. +1 > This should happen rarely enough that having to use `git commit > --no-verify` to bypass