So any new progress here?
I haven't seen any updates still so far.
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# Fedora Quality Assurance Meeting
# Date: 2013-11-04
# Time: 16:00 UTC
(https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto)
# Location: #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net
Greetings testers!
It's meeting time again! Please note the time change to 1600 UTC: this
is due to the recent change to
I am giving up my maintainership for xmmsctrl, a command line utility
to control xmms.
I still use xmms a lot, but I don't have a need for xmmsctrl anymore.
I was once using it to control xmms from a superkaramba (KDE) widget.
It is stable, with dead upstream. Grab it if you are interested.
Best,
On Nov 3, 2013, at 11:57 AM, Mateusz Marzantowicz
wrote:
>
> Do I understand correctly that first problem could be solved by
> stabilizing APIs used in various Linux projects? Because developers
> don't want stabilizationt they invent workarounds like sandboxes?
> Wouldn't it be easier to have
Hi
On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Mateusz Marzantowicz
Do I understand correctly that first problem could be solved by
> stabilizing APIs used in various Linux projects? Because developers
> don't want stabilizationt they invent workarounds like sandboxes?
> Wouldn't it be easier to have stabl
On 03.11.2013 19:40, drago01 wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 7:33 PM, Mateusz Marzantowicz
> wrote:
>> On 03.11.2013 19:15, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>>> Hi
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:if success is
>>>
>>>
>>> * to have no centralized updates
>>> * have
On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 7:33 PM, Mateusz Marzantowicz
wrote:
> On 03.11.2013 19:15, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:if success is
>>
>>
>> * to have no centralized updates
>> * have most applicatons and tools never updated at all
>
On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 6:44 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> since it is a free operating system it does not need to be commerical
> successfull and so it needs to satisfy it's *existing* and potential userbase
> but not obsessive attrative for *everybody*
No. If you loose to the competion you become
On 03.11.2013 19:15, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Hi
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:if success is
>
>
> * to have no centralized updates
> * have most applicatons and tools never updated at all
> * have the weakest security model even compared to Windows th
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1026009
Jitka Plesnikova changed:
What|Removed |Added
Status|NEW |CLOSED
Fixed In Version|
Hi
On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:if success is
>
> * to have no centralized updates
> * have most applicatons and tools never updated at all
> * have the weakest security model even compared to Windows these days
> * have a standards violating OS
> * have a unstable
Am 03.11.2013 18:28, schrieb Chris Murphy:
> On Nov 3, 2013, at 7:10 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>> What we have now is:
>> * a free-of-charge repository with central QA ensuring that everything works
>> together,
>> * a commitment of that repository to ship only Free Software and active
>> auditin
On Nov 3, 2013, at 7:10 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Christian Schaller wrote:
>> And I think that will be the crux here too. To me the main part of
>> 'supporting' something here will be in handling our ABI story better, not
>> about writing custom work arounds for various 3rd party software.
>
>
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 8:21 AM, Dave Johansen wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 12:50 AM, Dan Horák wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 28 Oct 2013 19:51:48 -0700
>> Dave Johansen wrote:
>>
>> > I'm packaging odb ( http://codesynthesis.com/products/odb/ ) for
>> > Fedora/RHEL and I've run into a bit of a proble
Le dimanche 03 novembre 2013 à 14:23 +0100, Kevin Kofler a écrit :
> Michael Scherer wrote:
> > When statistics cost you money, yeah, I think that's important to take
> > them in account. Maybe your employer do not care about this, but I
> > strongly suspect mine does, and I strongly suspect that m
On 03.11.2013 15:10, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>
> We DON'T want Apple-like "apps"!
This is exactly what is going to happen with "Sandboxed applications for
GNOME" (GNOME, Fedora, Linux - whatever you want). Sadly this idea is
promoted and developed by some RH employees.
Mateusz Marzantowicz
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Am 03.11.2013 15:43, schrieb Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller:
> So I am not saying that clean code and maintainability and ease of
> development is not important, but I think being a community dominated by
> coders we tend to put way to much emphasis on these things compared to
> actually solvi
On Sun, 2013-11-03 at 14:42 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Christian Schaller wrote:
> > The PRD avoids these questions by design. To often open source discussions
> > end up being discussions about the merits of the means as opposed to the
> > actual goals.
>
> Well, I disagree about the basic deci
Richard Hughes wrote:
> I'd agree with you if the majority of updates weren't either packaging
> tweaks or new upstream versions with little-to-no useful update text.
"Packaging tweak" updates are not that common. And the fact that the update
notes are useless doesn't necessarily mean the update
Xose Vazquez Perez wrote:
> I only did a search of "BAD use of %{dist}" and "NO %{dist} tag".
> But there is a lot of rubbish:
Wow! As Michael Schwendt pointed out, your list does contain a fair set of
false positives, but there's really a lot of junk too, e.g.:
> 0.1.fc21
Missing alphatag.
>
Am 03.11.2013 14:23, schrieb Kevin Kofler:
> Michael Scherer wrote:
>> When statistics cost you money, yeah, I think that's important to take
>> them in account. Maybe your employer do not care about this, but I
>> strongly suspect mine does, and I strongly suspect that most companies
>> do care ab
Michael Schwendt wrote:
> Apparently, not even the kernel package applies Fedora's official
> pre-release snapshot release scheme.
The kernel package has actually always been the worst offender when it comes
to honoring packaging guidelines. It used to be even more of a mess than it
is now.
Christian Schaller wrote:
> And I think that will be the crux here too. To me the main part of
> 'supporting' something here will be in handling our ABI story better, not
> about writing custom work arounds for various 3rd party software.
That still implies shipping legacy libraries and sometimes
On 3 November 2013 13:31, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Fewer updates mean fewer bugfixes and thus more bugs!
I'd agree with you if the majority of updates weren't either packaging
tweaks or new upstream versions with little-to-no useful update text.
Richard.
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Christian Schaller wrote:
> The PRD avoids these questions by design. To often open source discussions
> end up being discussions about the merits of the means as opposed to the
> actual goals.
Well, I disagree about the basic decision of whether we want a standard
desktop UI or something, uh, "d
Reindl Harald wrote:
> i am using updates-testing over years and often enough koji-packages too
> there are not much "barely" and problemtaic tested updates at all
> if someone wnats a system with less to zero updates he is using the
> wrong distribution and better suited with RHEL
+1, the frequen
Michael Scherer wrote:
> When statistics cost you money, yeah, I think that's important to take
> them in account. Maybe your employer do not care about this, but I
> strongly suspect mine does, and I strongly suspect that most companies
> do care about this as well.
Company computers should get u
Compose started at Sun Nov 3 09:15:02 UTC 2013
Broken deps for armhfp
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[blueman]
blueman-1.23-7.fc20.armv7hl requires obex-data-server >= 0:0.4.3
blueman-1.23-7.fc20.armv7hl requires gvfs-obexftp
[bwm-ng]
bwm-ng-0.6
On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 01:42:00 +0100, Xose Vazquez Perez wrote:
> I only did a search of "BAD use of %{dist}" and "NO %{dist} tag".
> But there is a lot of rubbish:
>
> alpha9.2.fc21
> 02.6.fc21
> 0.alpha3.fc21
> 0.fc20
> 0.fc21
Starting with 0 instead of 1 is a harmless mistake some packagers do
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