On 09:09:56 am Thursday, February 24, 2011 Bill Nottingham wrote:
> As part of the normal orphan removal process, 113 orphaned packages
> with no dependencies have been retired.
>
> However, there are still orphaned packages that have requirements on
> them in the F-15 tree. We would prefer not to
On 02/23/2011 05:38 PM, James Ralston wrote:
> None of these issues is a dealbreaker, but they*are* losses of
> functionality versus what LVM offers.
LVM isn't going anywhere. It just won't be the default during a fresh
installation, which you would still be free to override by using an LVM
aga
Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Orphan: gdk-pixbuf
> freetennis requires gdk-pixbuf-devel = 1:0.22.0-38.fc12
> tracker requires gdk-pixbuf-devel = 1:0.22.0-38.fc12
> viking requires gdk-pixbuf-devel = 1:0.22.0-38.fc12
> zathura requires gdk-pixbuf-devel = 1:0.22.0-38.fc12
All these BR gdk
On 02/23/2011 01:33 AM, Josef Bacik wrote:
>
> Well I don't think cleaning up the existing patches will be that big
> of a deal, it's mostly a matter of testing. The problem with GRUB2 is
> it's GPLv3, explicitly to be a giant pain in the ass for porting any
> new fs to GRUB since we're all GPLv2
On 02/23/2011 05:26 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Orphan aalib
> Orphan log4net
> Orphan qstat
I took these three.
> Orphan glib-java
> Orphan libgconf-java
> Orphan libglade-java
> Orphan libgnome-java
> Orphan libgtk-java
> Orphan libvte-java
We should consider flushing all of these along with
> On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 17:26:11 -0500,
> "BN" == Bill Nottingham wrote:
BN> Orphan: apel
BN> ddskk requires apel = 10.7-4.fc12
BN> emacs-common-w3m requires apel = 10.7-4.fc12
BN> emacs-w3m requires apel = 10.7-4.fc12
BN> flim requires apel = 10.7-4.fc12
BN> migemo-emac
On 02/23/2011 04:26 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Orphan: libsigc++
> TnL requires libsigc-1.2.so.5
> TnL requires libsigc++-devel = 1.2.7-9.fc15
> asc requires libsigc-1.2.so.5
> asc requires libsigc++-devel = 1.2.7-9.fc15
> libasync requires libsigc-1.2.so.5
> qtel r
Hi Lennart,
> My hope is that one day we can ship a read-only root dir by
> default, or more specifically a btrfs file system with three
> subvolumes in it: one read-only one mounted to /, and two
> writable ones mounted to /home and /var, with /tmp mounted from
> tmpfs.
I can see
Hi,
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 7:40 AM, Lennart Poettering
wrote:
> Another option would be to parse fsck's output and forward it in some
> form to Plymouth to show in the normal progress bar. But I am not sure
> if Plymouth can actually do that. (Ray?) Also, this doesn't solve the
> problem that we
I just made a couple changes to the first table of this page:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SysVinit_to_Systemd_Cheatsheet#Services
The chkconfig frozbozz --levels 345 on line listed systemctl enable
frozbozz.service as the main equivalent. From running that command on
rawhide, that doesn't seem
On Thu, 2011-02-24 at 00:14 +0100, Christoph Wickert wrote:
> Can you explain what the advantage of your approach is? From a packaging
> point it looks broken: One the one hand we package a authentication
> agent that cannot run by itself, on the other we package an autostart
> file for something
Today at the Go/No-Go meeting[1] we decided to slip the Alpha by one week.
The slip is due to a blocker bug affecting a number of non-US keyboard
layouts, including German and French[2], which does not currently have a
fix or a reasonable workaround. All other blocker bugs are currently in
VER
On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 16:58:34 -0600
Dennis Gilmore wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 23, 2011 04:08:03 pm Paul Howarth wrote:
> > On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 15:54:12 -0600
> >
> > Dennis Gilmore wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, February 23, 2011 02:22:22 am gia...@gmail.com
> > > wrote:
> > > > I'm trying to p
On 2011-02-22 at 14:51-05 Josef Bacik wrote:
> Fedora 16 ships without LVM as the volume manager and instead use
> BTRFS's built in volume management, again just for the default.
I don't think btrfs subvolumes are capable of replacing LVM
functionality quite yet.
Here are two usage cases that I
On 02/23/2011 07:41 PM, Peter Jones wrote:
> On 02/23/2011 12:50 PM, Lars Seipel wrote:
>> If you want to stack it on top of dm-crypt there are caveats as well.
>
> Right, which is what we'd wind up doing in the encrypted case.
>
>>> From btrfs-wiki:
>>> btrfs volumes on top of dm-crypt block de
Am Mittwoch, den 23.02.2011, 15:55 -0500 schrieb Matthias Clasen:
> As of version 0.100 (which will land in F15 as a post-alpha update), the
> polkit-gnome package will no longer install an autostart file for
> polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1. Instead, each desktop environment
> is reponsible f
On Wed, 23.02.11 13:43, Toshio Kuratomi (a.bad...@gmail.com) wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 09:33:33PM +0100, Michał Piotrowski wrote:
> > 2011/2/23 Toshio Kuratomi :
> > > If a particular piece of software is going to convert from systemv init
> > > scripts to systemd unit files we'll end up wi
On Wednesday, February 23, 2011 04:08:03 pm Paul Howarth wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 15:54:12 -0600
>
> Dennis Gilmore wrote:
> > On Wednesday, February 23, 2011 02:22:22 am gia...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > I'm trying to push an updated rawstudio package to testing but bodhi
> > > (the web interfac
On 2011-02-23 at 13:41-05 Peter Jones wrote:
> dm-crypt still just throws REQ_FLUSH away instead of figuring out
> the block remaps involved and issuing the right bios. Of course,
> this is a problem with dm-crypt and _any_ filesystem.
Are you sure that's still the case?
Because this patchset a
On Wed, 2011-02-23 at 17:26 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Orphan: gdk-pixbuf
> freetennis requires gdk-pixbuf-devel = 1:0.22.0-38.fc12
> soundtracker requires libgdk_pixbuf.so.2
> soundtracker requires gdk-pixbuf-devel = 1:0.22.0-38.fc12
> tracker requires gdk-pixbuf-devel = 1:0.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Dist_Git_Branch_Proposal
Current status is that I've got a staging environment setup
(pkgs01.stg.fedoraproject.org) that has a snapshot of the repos from a
few days ago and the branches have been renamed. I also have a set of
fedora-packager (fedpkg) updates in t
On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 23:05:50 +0100
Jim Meyering wrote:
> Andreas Schwab wrote:
> > Jim Meyering writes:
> >
> >> ---> Package glibc.x86_64 0:2.8.90-11 will be a downgrade
> >
> > Where did you get that ANCIENT package? It's almost 3 years(!) old.
>
> I have *no* idea.
Maybe you missed my forme
As part of the normal orphan removal process, 113 orphaned packages
with no dependencies have been retired.
However, there are still orphaned packages that have requirements on
them in the F-15 tree. We would prefer not to break the requiring
packages, so please claim these if your app depends on
Once upon a time, Kevin Kofler said:
> Instead of micromanaging things like testing of updates, FESCo should be
> focusing on getting systemwide features actually implemented systemwide,
> rather than getting held hostage by recalcitrant maintainers.
So, FESCO should be forcing maintainers that
2011/2/23 Toshio Kuratomi :
> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 09:33:33PM +0100, Michał Piotrowski wrote:
>> 2011/2/23 Toshio Kuratomi :
>> > If a particular piece of software is going to convert from systemv init
>> > scripts to systemd unit files we'll end up with two important rpm files.
>> > One that is
2011/2/23 Kevin Kofler :
> Tomasz Torcz wrote:
>> I have written handful of service definitions for packages listed there,
>> filling bugs in bugzilla afterwards. Not a single maintainer responded :(
>
> We really need this kind of stuff to just get committed by provenpackagers
> on a FESCo mand
On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 15:54:12 -0600
Dennis Gilmore wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 23, 2011 02:22:22 am gia...@gmail.com wrote:
> > I'm trying to push an updated rawstudio package to testing but bodhi
> > (the web interface) is saying:
> >
> > Unable to save update with conflicting builds of the
Andreas Schwab wrote:
> Jim Meyering writes:
>
>> ---> Package glibc.x86_64 0:2.8.90-11 will be a downgrade
>
> Where did you get that ANCIENT package? It's almost 3 years(!) old.
I have *no* idea.
As I said, I installed F15 (into existing partitions,
but told anaconda to format /, /var and /usr
On Wednesday, February 23, 2011 02:22:22 am gia...@gmail.com wrote:
> I'm trying to push an updated rawstudio package to testing but bodhi
> (the web interface) is saying:
>
> Unable to save update with conflicting builds of the same package:
> rawstudio-1.2-9.fc15.20110221svn3825 and
> rawstudio-
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Jon Masters wrote:
>> In my personal opinion, this is a poor design decision. Yes, BTRFS can
>> do a lot of volume-y things, and these are growing by the day, but I
>> don't want my filesystem replacing a full volume manager and I am
>> concer
Tomasz Torcz wrote:
> I have written handful of service definitions for packages listed there,
> filling bugs in bugzilla afterwards. Not a single maintainer responded :(
We really need this kind of stuff to just get committed by provenpackagers
on a FESCo mandate.
Instead of micromanaging th
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 09:33:33PM +0100, Michał Piotrowski wrote:
> 2011/2/23 Toshio Kuratomi :
> > If a particular piece of software is going to convert from systemv init
> > scripts to systemd unit files we'll end up with two important rpm files.
> > One that is before the conversion and has sys
As of version 0.100 (which will land in F15 as a post-alpha update), the
polkit-gnome package will no longer install an autostart file for
polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1. Instead, each desktop environment
is reponsible for making sure that an authentication agent is running.
For GNOME, this i
Greetings.
FESCo has added an additional path to becoming a co-maintainer of an
existing package in the Fedora package collection for folks who are not
currently in the packager group.
Traditionally, you would gain sponsorship by submitting a new package
you create and demonstrating your unders
Jon Masters wrote:
> In my personal opinion, this is a poor design decision. Yes, BTRFS can
> do a lot of volume-y things, and these are growing by the day, but I
> don't want my filesystem replacing a full volume manager and I am
> concerned that this will lead to less testing and exposure to full
Once upon a time, Ralf Ertzinger said:
> If you never tried the kind of freedom BTRFS and ZFS give you for
> shifting around disk space, try it. Seriously. Then you'll see where
> the "awful" comes from. In perspective it really is.
You cut out the parts of my email where I said I don't have any
Once upon a time, Matthew Garrett said:
> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 02:08:08PM -0600, Chris Adams wrote:
> > Once upon a time, Matthew Garrett said:
> > > You can't move PVs.
> >
> > What do you think pvmove does?
>
> Move PEs from one PV to another. You can't move a PV.
Not exactly; pvmove move
W dniu 23 lutego 2011 21:48 użytkownik Tomasz Torcz
napisał:
> On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 08:40:01PM +0100, Michał Piotrowski wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I wonder what is the actual state of Fedora systemd integration? I
>> hope that there is more systemd native services than listed on
>> https://fedoraproje
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 08:40:01PM +0100, Michał Piotrowski wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I wonder what is the actual state of Fedora systemd integration? I
> hope that there is more systemd native services than listed on
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Johannbg/QA/Systemd/compatability
I have written
On 02/23/2011 03:33 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 02:08:08PM -0600, Chris Adams wrote:
>> Once upon a time, Matthew Garrett said:
>>> You can't move PVs.
>>
>> What do you think pvmove does?
>
> Move PEs from one PV to another. You can't move a PV.
>
>>> You need a separate
2011/2/23 Toshio Kuratomi :
> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 04:38:50PM +0100, Michał Piotrowski wrote:
>> 2011/2/23 Toshio Kuratomi :
>> > On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 01:30:52AM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 22.02.11 12:19, Toshio Kuratomi (a.bad...@gmail.com) wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > 2011/2/22
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 02:08:08PM -0600, Chris Adams wrote:
> Once upon a time, Matthew Garrett said:
> > You can't move PVs.
>
> What do you think pvmove does?
Move PEs from one PV to another. You can't move a PV.
> > You need a separate /boot.
>
> That's needed for more than just LVM (and p
Hi.
On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 13:38:05 -0600, Chris Adams wrote
> Define "awful". I make use of it all the time on home and office
> desktops and even my notebook computer. It makes it easy to reassign
> disk space from purpose A to purpose B (it would be easier if there
> was a way to shrink a mount
Once upon a time, Matthew Garrett said:
> You can't move PVs.
What do you think pvmove does?
> You need a separate /boot.
That's needed for more than just LVM (and probably won't go away, as it
is a lot simpler to handle a single method in the installer).
> If you use more than one
> disk the
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Jonathan Dieter wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-02-23 at 14:18 -0500, Josef Bacik wrote:
>> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Jonathan Dieter wrote:
>> > On Wed, 2011-02-23 at 16:19 +0100, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
>> >> I'm actually quite interested in btrfs especially f
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 07:49:49PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> You can't move PVs. You need a separate /boot. If you use more than one
> disk then it adds significant fragility to the boot process. It slows
> down booting. It provides some functionality that's hugely useful in a
> small num
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 01:38:05PM -0600, Chris Adams wrote:
> Define "awful". I make use of it all the time on home and office
> desktops and even my notebook computer. It makes it easy to reassign
> disk space from purpose A to purpose B (it would be easier if there was
> a way to shrink a mou
On Wed, 2011-02-23 at 14:18 -0500, Josef Bacik wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Jonathan Dieter wrote:
> > On Wed, 2011-02-23 at 16:19 +0100, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
> >> I'm actually quite interested in btrfs especially for servers because
> >> of it's features
> >
> > For what it's
Once upon a time, Matthew Garrett said:
> LVM is functional for enterprise environments but awful for the common
> home or office cases.
Define "awful". I make use of it all the time on home and office
desktops and even my notebook computer. It makes it easy to reassign
disk space from purpose
On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 20:02:48 +0100
Lennart Poettering wrote:
> This list does not mention bus services at all. Traditionally they
> weren't really that visible and if they were bus activatable they were
> always enabled with no way to disable them. With the advent of systemd
> we now ideally make
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Jonathan Dieter wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-02-23 at 16:19 +0100, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
>> I'm actually quite interested in btrfs especially for servers because
>> of it's features
>
> For what it's worth, we've been running btrfs on our school fileservers
> since
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 01:10:43PM -0500, Colin Walters wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> >
> > The scriptlets that we currently have do not work in testing. I have tested
> > the migration path from a sysv init script using service to an upgraded
> > package usi
Colin Walters (walt...@verbum.org) said:
> > The scriptlets that we currently have do not work in testing. I have tested
> > the migration path from a sysv init script using service to an upgraded
> > package using systemd unit files and that doesn't work. at some point
> > someone also needs to
On Wed, 23.02.11 11:53, Kevin Fenzi (ke...@scrye.com) wrote:
> * #544 List of services that may start by default (nirik, 17:42:35)
> * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/DefaultServices
> (nirik, 17:43:18)
> * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/60 (nirik, 17:44:27)
>
On Wed, 2011-02-23 at 16:19 +0100, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
> I'm actually quite interested in btrfs especially for servers because
> of it's features
For what it's worth, we've been running btrfs on our school fileservers
since September. After a few teething problems (fixed by
increasing /p
Greetings.
FESCo is looking at the question of what services can start by default
(ie, you install something and it's set to start automatically next
time you boot up).
We have a draft at:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/DefaultServices
With a policy and list of exceptions.
We wo
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#fedora-meeting: FESCO (2011-02-23)
===
Meeting started by nirik at 17:30:01 UTC. The full logs are available at
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Meeting summary
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On 02/23/2011 12:50 PM, Lars Seipel wrote:
> On Wednesday 23 February 2011 15:07:55 Peter Jones wrote:
>
>> 1) can btrfs do encrypted volumes?
>
> Not yet. Although this was a planned feature at some point, according to
> Josef, nobody has done it yet.
>
> If you want to stack it on top of dm-c
On Wed, 23.02.11 09:56, Toshio Kuratomi (a.bad...@gmail.com) wrote:
> > systemd "compatibility" was only added to chkconfig couple of days ago
> > up to that point systemd and chkconfig did not compute each other :)
> >
> > 1. http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=229902
> > 2.
>
On 02/23/2011 01:15 PM, Casey Dahlin wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 11:54:58AM -0600, Eric Sandeen wrote:
>> On 2/23/11 11:42 AM, Jesse Keating wrote:
>>> On 2/23/11 5:00 AM, Josef Bacik wrote:
This would be a great thing in general since the default ext* image is
shrunk down to be inst
On 2/23/11 12:15 PM, Casey Dahlin wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 11:54:58AM -0600, Eric Sandeen wrote:
>> On 2/23/11 11:42 AM, Jesse Keating wrote:
>>> On 2/23/11 5:00 AM, Josef Bacik wrote:
This would be a great thing in general since the default ext* image is
shrunk down to be install
On Wed, 23.02.11 09:39, Toshio Kuratomi (a.bad...@gmail.com) wrote:
> The proposed Packaging Guidelines for systemd:
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/TomCallaway/Systemd_Revised_Draft
>
> Needs to contain the necessary scriptlets for packages that use systemd unit
> files. At the moment, the dra
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 11:54:58AM -0600, Eric Sandeen wrote:
> On 2/23/11 11:42 AM, Jesse Keating wrote:
> > On 2/23/11 5:00 AM, Josef Bacik wrote:
> >> This would be a great thing in general since the default ext* image is
> >> shrunk down to be installed which creates a bad fs layout which has
>
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
>
> The scriptlets that we currently have do not work in testing. I have tested
> the migration path from a sysv init script using service to an upgraded
> package using systemd unit files and that doesn't work. at some point
> someone als
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 11:41:49AM -0500, Jon Masters wrote:
> Again, I feel the solution is to have a Fedora architect whose role is
> to realize the problems caused by seemingly isolated changes, and stop
> them from propagating. You don't just replace years of UNIX (or Linux)
> history/heritage
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 04:34:00PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 02/23/2011 03:04 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> > Are you proposing that system V init scripts be banned for F15 and that we
> > do not allow upgrades from F14 to F15, only new installs?
>
> The backwards compatibility cod
On 2/23/11 11:42 AM, Jesse Keating wrote:
> On 2/23/11 5:00 AM, Josef Bacik wrote:
>> This would be a great thing in general since the default ext* image is
>> shrunk down to be installed which creates a bad fs layout which has
>> performance implications.
>
> Can you expand upon this more? The f
On Wednesday 23 February 2011 15:07:55 Peter Jones wrote:
> 1) can btrfs do encrypted volumes?
Not yet. Although this was a planned feature at some point, according to
Josef, nobody has done it yet.
If you want to stack it on top of dm-crypt there are caveats as well.
>From btrfs-wiki:
>btrfs
The Fedora 13 ARM Beta is now available for download. There are still a number
of packages that haven’t been built for ARM due to build failures or missing
dependencies. We’re a little behind the primary architectures so we have the
ability to look at later releases to see if these failures hav
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 04:34:00PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> First could you be a bit more specific what exactly is the problem so we
> can test for that when we host systemd test day if I'm getting you right
> what you are describing might fall under release blocker...
>
Yes, if w
On 2/23/11 5:00 AM, Josef Bacik wrote:
> This would be a great thing in general since the default ext* image is
> shrunk down to be installed which creates a bad fs layout which has
> performance implications.
Can you expand upon this more? The filesystem is shrunk down when the
live image is bu
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 04:38:50PM +0100, Michał Piotrowski wrote:
> 2011/2/23 Toshio Kuratomi :
> > On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 01:30:52AM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> >> On Tue, 22.02.11 12:19, Toshio Kuratomi (a.bad...@gmail.com) wrote:
> >>
> >> > 2011/2/22 Michał Piotrowski :
> >> > > Hi,
>
On Wed, 23.02.11 07:04, Toshio Kuratomi (a.bad...@gmail.com) wrote:
> > > uh... How are you creating the spec file? In testing, I've yet to get
> > > a specfile that performs as expected. I'd be happy if you could take
> > > a look at the proposed guidelines and figure out if this is a
> > > gui
On 02/23/2011 11:41 AM, Jon Masters wrote:
> Again, I feel the solution is to have a Fedora architect whose role is
> to realize the problems caused by seemingly isolated changes, and stop
> them from propagating.
Fedora historically relies on an "open source" model for this - there
are a lot of
On Wed, 23.02.11 11:41, Jon Masters (jonat...@jonmasters.org) wrote:
> > You seem to spend a lot of time during your installs undoing all the
> > new things that were done for the release. Perhaps a rapid changing,
> > bleeding-edge distribution isn't quite suited to your needs. Maybe
> > you wo
On Wed, 2011-02-23 at 07:15 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 10:25 PM, Jon Masters wrote:
> > On Tue, 2011-02-22 at 14:51 -0500, Josef Bacik wrote:
> >
> >> 2) Fedora 16 ships without LVM as the volume manager and instead use
> >> BTRFS's built in volume management, again just fo
On 02/23/2011 03:04 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> Are you proposing that system V init scripts be banned for F15 and that we
> do not allow upgrades from F14 to F15, only new installs?
The backwards compatibility code would never have been added if that had
ever been the intention now would it :)
On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 10:33:26 -0500
Josef Bacik wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn
> wrote:
> > On 02/23/2011 03:27 PM, Josef Bacik wrote:
> >> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 9:18 AM, John Reiser
> >> wrote:
> >>> On 02/23/2011 05:07 AM, drago01 wrote:
> Defaults shou
On 02/23/2011 03:33 PM, Josef Bacik wrote:
>
>> I'm actually not that worried about corruption as that is something that
>> can be fixed once discovered. What creeps me out about btrfs at the moment
>> is this:
>>
>> https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/FAQ#Help.21__Btrfs_claims_I.27m_out_of_spa
2011/2/23 Toshio Kuratomi :
> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 01:30:52AM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
>> On Tue, 22.02.11 12:19, Toshio Kuratomi (a.bad...@gmail.com) wrote:
>>
>> > 2011/2/22 Michał Piotrowski :
>> > > Hi,
>> > >
>> > > I wonder what is the actual state of Fedora systemd integration? I
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn
wrote:
> On 02/23/2011 03:27 PM, Josef Bacik wrote:
>> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 9:18 AM, John Reiser wrote:
>>> On 02/23/2011 05:07 AM, drago01 wrote:
Defaults should be chooses on the metric what provides the best
experience for th
On 2/23/11 5:38 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 02/23/2011 01:26 AM, Josef Bacik wrote:
>> Various things, better data integrity to start with, and if you
>> install the yum-fs-snapshot you have the ability to rollback easily.
>
> So we got the above + What Lennart mentioned as "benefits"
On 02/23/2011 03:27 PM, Josef Bacik wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 9:18 AM, John Reiser wrote:
>> On 02/23/2011 05:07 AM, drago01 wrote:
>>> Defaults should be chooses on the metric what provides the best
>>> experience for the users not based on "what we have been doing in the
>>> past" (i.e st
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 01:30:52AM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Tue, 22.02.11 12:19, Toshio Kuratomi (a.bad...@gmail.com) wrote:
>
> > 2011/2/22 Michał Piotrowski :
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I wonder what is the actual state of Fedora systemd integration? I
> > > hope that there is more syste
On Wed, 2011-02-23 at 09:27 -0500, Josef Bacik wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 9:18 AM, John Reiser wrote:
> > On 02/23/2011 05:07 AM, drago01 wrote:
> >> Defaults should be chooses on the metric what provides the best
> >> experience for the users not based on "what we have been doing in the
> >
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 9:18 AM, John Reiser wrote:
> On 02/23/2011 05:07 AM, drago01 wrote:
>> Defaults should be chooses on the metric what provides the best
>> experience for the users not based on "what we have been doing in the
>> past" (i.e stagnation).
>
> *One* data corruption constitutes
On 02/23/2011 05:07 AM, drago01 wrote:
> Defaults should be chooses on the metric what provides the best
> experience for the users not based on "what we have been doing in the
> past" (i.e stagnation).
*One* data corruption constitutes EPIC FAIL. Btrfs is too young,
and will be for yet a while l
On 02/22/2011 10:25 PM, Jon Masters wrote:
> On Tue, 2011-02-22 at 14:51 -0500, Josef Bacik wrote:
>
>> 2) Fedora 16 ships without LVM as the volume manager and instead use
>> BTRFS's built in volume management, again just for the default.
>
> In my personal opinion, this is a poor design decisio
Josef,
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Josef Bacik wrote:
> Your impression is wrong, there has been quite a bit of work done to
> make BTRFS work well on small devices, it is the default filesystem
> for meego which goes on phones, which is much smaller than anything
> you are going to have on
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Camilo Mesias wrote:
> Hi
>
> I wanted to second these questions...
>
> 2011/2/22 Jóhann B. :
>> Will there be any performance penalties making this move?
> [...]
>> What benefit will this switch bring to the novice desktop end users?
>>
>> Will the novice desktop
Hi
I wanted to second these questions...
2011/2/22 Jóhann B. :
> Will there be any performance penalties making this move?
[...]
> What benefit will this switch bring to the novice desktop end users?
>
> Will the novice desktop end user ever take advantages of any of the features
> that btrfs br
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 4:25 AM, Jon Masters wrote:
> On Tue, 2011-02-22 at 14:51 -0500, Josef Bacik wrote:
>
>> 2) Fedora 16 ships without LVM as the volume manager and instead use
>> BTRFS's built in volume management, again just for the default.
>
> In my personal opinion, this is a poor design
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 11:57 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 14:51:50 -0500,
> Josef Bacik wrote:
>>
>> 3) All the various little tools that we have for putting together
>> LiveCD's that are very ext* centered. I've not even looked at this
>> yet, but I assume it's going t
On Mon, 2011-02-07 at 15:59 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Each release, we undergo the effort to track down owners for orphaned
> packages in the release, and block those orphaned packages where
> necessary. It's that time again for Fedora 15.
>
> The following packages are currently orphaned a
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 10:25 PM, Jon Masters wrote:
> On Tue, 2011-02-22 at 14:51 -0500, Josef Bacik wrote:
>
>> 2) Fedora 16 ships without LVM as the volume manager and instead use
>> BTRFS's built in volume management, again just for the default.
>
> In my personal opinion, this is a poor desig
On Wed, 2011-02-23 at 12:23 +0100, Alexandre Mazari wrote:
> And libpeas-0.7.2-1.fc16 breaks gedit:
>
> (gedit:2796): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: specified class size for type
> `GeditPluginsEngine' is smaller than the parent type's `PeasEngine'
> class size
And GEdit needs a rebuild/new version too
On Wed, 2011-02-23 at 12:09 +0100, Alexandre Mazari wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The following update breaks gdm and gnome-session at runtime for me:
>
> gsettings-desktop-schemas-0.1.
> 7-1.fc16
> --
> * Mon Feb 21 2011 Bastien Nocera 0.1.7-1
> - Update to 0.1.7
>
> Tho
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On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 08:18:53PM +0800, Robin Lee wrote:
> We can use the v-string feature provided by Perl itself to normalize the
> version numbers of CPAN module rpms. We always convert the legacy decimal
> versions to normalized v-string, and use the v-string number as the rpm
> version, sinc
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