Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-29 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 08/30/2010 12:08 PM, Piscium wrote: > > While I appreciate the arts, I am not good at creating art, so I am > afraid I would be of no use to the design team. Providing constructive and directed feedback would certainly count as a useful contribution. Design team mailing list often has discuss

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-29 Thread Piscium
On 29 August 2010 21:15, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 10:38:29 +0100 > Piscium wrote: > > Please do join in the design team and help them out: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join_the_Design_Team > While I appreciate the arts, I am not good at creating art, so I am afraid I would

Re: Search Engine Proposal

2010-08-29 Thread Chris Jones
Just to clear a few things up and to simplify things a little for those that may have just entered the discussion. Google Search is not open-source. Yes, sure you can use and access Google Search freely and implement it into your own site code, but all the Google Search code and it's working funct

Re: F14 evolution restore

2010-08-29 Thread Jesse Keating
"Mike Chambers" wrote: >When doing a fresh F14 install (tonight), and starting evolution for >first time and doing a restore, it didn't seem to convert my filters nor >addressbook, or at least to the proper locations. I got he filters.xml >copied over to i think the .config/evolution/mail fold

F14 evolution restore

2010-08-29 Thread Mike Chambers
When doing a fresh F14 install (tonight), and starting evolution for first time and doing a restore, it didn't seem to convert my filters nor addressbook, or at least to the proper locations. I got he filters.xml copied over to i think the .config/evolution/mail folder (or something like that) but

Re: applied, non-theoretical use of systemd

2010-08-29 Thread Petrus de Calguarium
Kevin Kofler wrote: > What KDM does is that it runs (as root, like all of KDM) the command given > by its HaltCmd option, which defaults to its HALT_CMD macro, which is > defined on GNU/Linux as "/sbin/halt". However, I see that we override this > in our default kdmrc in kde-settings-kdm as "HaltC

Re: applied, non-theoretical use of systemd

2010-08-29 Thread Petrus de Calguarium
Lennart Poettering wrote: > Hmm, the problems you pointed out, which ones of those remain? Can you > please file a bug about those! (unless you already did so?) > They are all solved. dnsmasq was not caching because I forgot to tell it not to use the default resolv.conf, but rather to use 127.

Re: Proprietary search engines

2010-08-29 Thread Athmane Madjoudj
On 08/30/2010 01:52 AM, Conan Kudo (ニール・ゴンパ) wrote: > > So why would the policy apply to the search box on > http://start.fedoraproject.org , which is just meant for users and is > not really a piece of infrastructure? > > -- > Matt > > > Because some people are rather overzealo

Re: Proprietary search engines

2010-08-29 Thread ニール・ゴンパ
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Matt McCutchen wrote: > On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 02:46 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > On 08/30/2010 01:01 AM, Matt McCutchen wrote: > > > > > > Interesting. I can understand not wanting to promote a proprietary > > > search engine on the Fedora start page, but if t

Re: Proprietary search engines

2010-08-29 Thread Matt McCutchen
On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 02:46 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 08/30/2010 01:01 AM, Matt McCutchen wrote: > > > > Interesting. I can understand not wanting to promote a proprietary > > search engine on the Fedora start page, but if the idea is that Fedora > > users and contributors should be able t

Re: applied, non-theoretical use of systemd

2010-08-29 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fri, 27.08.10 17:17, Petrus de Calguarium (kwhisk...@gmail.com) wrote: > > Brendan Jones - I.T. wrote: > > > On 08/27/2010 10:11 AM, Petrus de Calguarium wrote: > >> Where are the logs for systemd? In /var/log/messages, maybe? > > I add systemd.log_target=kmsg systemd.log_level=debug as ker

Re: Proprietary search engines

2010-08-29 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 08/30/2010 01:01 AM, Matt McCutchen wrote: > > Interesting. I can understand not wanting to promote a proprietary > search engine on the Fedora start page, but if the idea is that Fedora > users and contributors should be able to avoid using them altogether, I > think that's currently pretty u

Re: Search Engine Proposal

2010-08-29 Thread Ben Boeckel
(I thought I posted something like this earlier; maybe it was a private reply by mistake) Camilo Mesias wrote: > Is Google really that bad or are some people being a bit too > principled? Couldn't we think of the market leader of free-as-in-beer > search engines as a commodity and just use it whi

Re: stuck on git (again)

2010-08-29 Thread Marcin Zaja ; czkowski
On 2010-08-25 16:55, Andreas Schwab wrote: > Michael Cronenworth writes: > >> Without that config option you need: >> >> $ git push f13/master > > The first argument is the repository to push to. Also, since local and > remote branch have different names you have to specify both. > > $ git pus

Re: Orphaned package: system-config-display

2010-08-29 Thread François Cami
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 8:47 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 13:32 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote: >> Kevin Kofler wrote: >> > 3. What if you can't bring up X in the first place? (You can't run gnome- >> > display-properties if you can't get into X. system-config-display >> >

Re: Search Engine Proposal

2010-08-29 Thread Manuel Escudero
2010/8/29 Matt McCutchen > On Sun, 2010-08-29 at 15:07 -0500, Manuel Escudero wrote: > > AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN... http://start.fedoraproject.org/ is using > > a Google Search Box... YOU DON'T HAVE THE CODE TO PLAY WITH IT OR > > ANYTHING... With "Fedora's engine" I'm giving you the chance of

Re: Search Engine Proposal

2010-08-29 Thread Matt McCutchen
On Sun, 2010-08-29 at 15:07 -0500, Manuel Escudero wrote: > AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN... http://start.fedoraproject.org/ is using > a Google Search Box... YOU DON'T HAVE THE CODE TO PLAY WITH IT OR > ANYTHING... With "Fedora's engine" I'm giving you the chance of having > something more "opensource

Re: Search Engine Proposal

2010-08-29 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 15:07:51 -0500 Manuel Escudero wrote: > 2010/8/29 Mike McGrath ...snip... > > We have a free software policy, while we continue to revise it, > > google's search engine is clearly against that policy: > > > > > > http://infrastructure.fedoraproject.org/csi/free-software-pol

Re: Search Engine Proposal

2010-08-29 Thread Manuel Escudero
2010/8/29 Arthur Pemberton > On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 4:07 PM, Manuel Escudero > wrote: > > > AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN... http://start.fedoraproject.org/ is using a > > Google Search Box... YOU DON'T HAVE THE CODE TO PLAY WITH IT OR > ANYTHING... > > With "Fedora's engine" I'm giving you the cha

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-29 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 10:38:29 +0100 Piscium wrote: ...snip... > In a nutshell: IMO Fedora is fine, except that it should come up with > a better logo, typeface and colours, something with an edge! Please do join in the design team and help them out: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join_the_Desig

Re: Search Engine Proposal

2010-08-29 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 4:07 PM, Manuel Escudero wrote: > AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN... http://start.fedoraproject.org/ is using a > Google Search Box... YOU DON'T HAVE THE CODE TO PLAY WITH IT OR ANYTHING... > With "Fedora's engine" I'm giving you the chance of having something more > "opensource

Re: Fedora Notifications System.

2010-08-29 Thread Manuel Escudero
2010/8/29 Mike McGrath > On Sun, 29 Aug 2010, Manuel Escudero wrote: > > > > > > > 2010/8/29 Gerard Braad > > > dead > > > > It would be more appropriate to have this discussion to take place > on > > openetherpad.org instead of Google Wave. As at least everyone can > > p

Re: Proprietary search engines (was: Fedora Notifications System.)

2010-08-29 Thread Manuel Escudero
2010/8/29 Matt McCutchen > On Sun, 2010-08-29 at 14:13 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: > > On Sun, 29 Aug 2010, Manuel Escudero wrote: > > > 3) We're already using a GOOGLE SEARCH BOX!! in > http://start.fedoraproject.org/ ¿Do you have the code for this one? > > > NO. And Fedora Project is using it. I

Re: Search Engine Proposal

2010-08-29 Thread Manuel Escudero
2010/8/29 Mike McGrath > On Sun, 29 Aug 2010, Camilo Mesias wrote: > > > > We wish we weren't and we want to learn from our mistakes rather than > > > repeat them. In the case of the start page I believe it was a > > > concession combined with the hope that it would be replaced with a > > > free

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-29 Thread Gerald Henriksen
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 09:43:16 +0200, you wrote: >2010/8/29 Kevin Kofler : >> Jesse Keating wrote: >>> The cynic in me would expect that the people who want something different >>> than the fire hose we have now are silently leaving, and those that are >>> left are going to say they like the deluge

Re: Search Engine Proposal

2010-08-29 Thread Mike McGrath
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010, Camilo Mesias wrote: > > We wish we weren't and we want to learn from our mistakes rather than > > repeat them. In the case of the start page I believe it was a > > concession combined with the hope that it would be replaced with a > > free solution in the future. It at the ve

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-29 Thread Gerald Henriksen
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 06:20:01 +0200, you wrote: >"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: >> The first mistake we did was trying to label end user since it's not up >> to the project in whole to decide which end user type it's target. >> >> It's should be up to individual community SIG's to decide what user

Re: Search Engine Proposal

2010-08-29 Thread Camilo Mesias
> We wish we weren't and we want to learn from our mistakes rather than > repeat them. In the case of the start page I believe it was a > concession combined with the hope that it would be replaced with a > free solution in the future. It at the very least should not used as a > shining example of

Proprietary search engines (was: Fedora Notifications System.)

2010-08-29 Thread Matt McCutchen
On Sun, 2010-08-29 at 14:13 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: > On Sun, 29 Aug 2010, Manuel Escudero wrote: > > 3) We're already using a GOOGLE SEARCH BOX!! in > > http://start.fedoraproject.org/ ¿Do you have the code for this one? > > NO. And Fedora Project is using it. I'm sharing a "Fedora Solution" a

Re: Orphaned package: system-config-display

2010-08-29 Thread Matej Cepl
Kevin Kofler, Sun, 29 Aug 2010 07:19:51 +0200: >> I believe KDE should have something equivalent ... don't you have a >> tool for managing multiple screens/heads? > > It doesn't do systemwide/permanent settings. (But I think the GNOME tool > also doesn't implement that at this time.) Oh sorry, no

Re: Search Engine Proposal

2010-08-29 Thread inode0
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Manuel Escudero wrote: > 1) We're already using a GOOGLE SEARCH BOX!! in > http://start.fedoraproject.org/ ¿Do you have the code for this one? > NO. And Fedora Project is using it. I'm sharing a "Fedora Solution" an > applied search engine for the community. and I

Re: Fedora Notifications System.

2010-08-29 Thread Mike McGrath
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010, Manuel Escudero wrote: > > > 2010/8/29 Gerard Braad > > dead > > It would be more appropriate to have this discussion to take place on > openetherpad.org instead of Google Wave. As at least everyone can > participate instead of these few with wave acco

Re: Search Engine Proposal

2010-08-29 Thread Manuel Escudero
2010/8/29 Kevin Kofler > Manuel Escudero wrote: > > I think it's necessary... > > I think that 1. it's not necessary or useful and 2. it may well be a > violation of Fedora's trademark guidelines. > > > And is not propietary, the code is out there for anyone to play with it, > > the real owner is

Re: Fedora Notifications System.

2010-08-29 Thread Manuel Escudero
2010/8/29 Gerard Braad > > dead > > It would be more appropriate to have this discussion to take place on > openetherpad.org instead of Google Wave. As at least everyone can > participate instead of these few with wave account or those who paid > for it ;-) > > Gerard > > -- > Gerard Braad — 吉拉德

Re: yum appmarket

2010-08-29 Thread seth vidal
On Sun, 2010-08-29 at 15:26 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: > On 29 August 2010 15:07, seth vidal wrote: > > I realized after this that I don't even need it the pkgTags db that we > > already generate has the information needed b/c all the apps are tagged > > with 'Application'. So no separate progra

Re: Nautilus misbehaving

2010-08-29 Thread Tom London
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Paul F. Johnson wrote: > Hi, > > After the recent rawhide to nautilus 2.90.1-1.fc15.i686, it's stopped > working claiming that I don't have Settings schema > 'org.gnome.desktop.lockdown' installed. > > What is this and how do I fix the problem? > > TTFN > > Paul N

Nautilus misbehaving

2010-08-29 Thread Paul F. Johnson
Hi, After the recent rawhide to nautilus 2.90.1-1.fc15.i686, it's stopped working claiming that I don't have Settings schema 'org.gnome.desktop.lockdown' installed. What is this and how do I fix the problem? TTFN Paul -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedorapro

F-14 Branched report: 20100829 changes

2010-08-29 Thread Branched Report
Compose started at Sun Aug 29 13:15:32 UTC 2010 Broken deps for x86_64 -- PragmARC-20060427-6.fc13.i686 requires libgnarl-4.4.so PragmARC-20060427-6.fc13.i686 requires libgnat-4.4.so PragmARC-20060427-6.fc13.x86_64 req

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-29 Thread Genes MailLists
On 08/29/2010 08:00 AM, Ralf Ertzinger wrote: > Hi. > > On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 22:50:46 -0400, Genes MailLists wrote > >> As an aside it is important to remember that solaris was moribund - >> almost kaput- because most of the world had turned to linux in its >> stead and its customer base shrinkin

Re: yum appmarket

2010-08-29 Thread Richard Hughes
On 29 August 2010 15:07, seth vidal wrote: > I realized after this that I don't even need it the pkgTags db that we > already generate has the information needed b/c all the apps are tagged > with 'Application'. So no separate program is needed to generate the app > metadata at all. What about ap

Re: yum appmarket

2010-08-29 Thread seth vidal
On Sun, 2010-08-29 at 14:06 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: > On 19 August 2010 16:46, seth vidal wrote: > > Yesterday someone was talking about installing apps in fedora and how it > > was hard to figure out what to install/try b/c there were too much STUFF > > in fedora. They suggested an ‘app stor

Re: yum appmarket

2010-08-29 Thread Richard Hughes
On 19 August 2010 16:46, seth vidal wrote: > Yesterday someone was talking about installing apps in fedora and how it > was hard to figure out what to install/try b/c there were too much STUFF > in fedora. They suggested an ‘app store’ like functionality. I explained > that all the resources to do

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-29 Thread Ralf Ertzinger
Hi. On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 22:50:46 -0400, Genes MailLists wrote > As an aside it is important to remember that solaris was moribund - > almost kaput- because most of the world had turned to linux in its > stead and its customer base shrinking - some die hards or those that > didn't want or weren't

rawhide report: 20100829 changes

2010-08-29 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Sun Aug 29 08:15:29 UTC 2010 Broken deps for x86_64 -- PragmARC-20060427-6.fc13.i686 requires libgnarl-4.4.so PragmARC-20060427-6.fc13.i686 requires libgnat-4.4.so PragmARC-20060427-6.fc13.x86_64 req

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-29 Thread Piscium
Over the last few days there seems to be a bit of existential angst about Fedora. So here are my random thoughts. About Fedora disappearing if Red Hat is bought by some evil corporation, for example Microsoft. :-) I am not worried. As it has been pointed out, all the Fedora packages as well as

Re: Fedora Notifications System.

2010-08-29 Thread Gerard Braad
> dead It would be more appropriate to have this discussion to take place on openetherpad.org instead of Google Wave. As at least everyone can participate instead of these few with wave account or those who paid for it ;-) Gerard -- Gerard Braad — 吉拉德 Project-lead Fedora-MIPS http://fedor

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-29 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 05:46:31 +, "\"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson\"" wrote: > Times change and people with it and I'm willing to put money were my > mouth is. So let's separate the infrastructure to a neutral ground, > let's find a good place to host the community on. I don't have much to > sp

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-29 Thread Gerard Braad
> aggressively I do not agree this strategy is wise or even the correct way. Certain Fedora versions dropped hardware support. We can't dictate people wht they can or can not do. I still know people who run old redhat releases (5.x) as there was m68k support. Gerard Braad -- Gerard Braad — 吉拉德

Re: Orphaned package: system-config-display

2010-08-29 Thread drago01
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 7:19 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Matej Cepl wrote: >> I believe KDE should have something equivalent ... don't you have a tool >> for managing multiple screens/heads? > > It doesn't do systemwide/permanent settings. (But I think the GNOME tool > also doesn't implement that at

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-29 Thread Vedran Miletić
2010/8/29 Kevin Kofler : > Jesse Keating wrote: >> The cynic in me would expect that the people who want something different >> than the fire hose we have now are silently leaving, and those that are >> left are going to say they like the deluge of updates. > > You say that as if it were a negative