On 08/29/2010 11:16 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> Well my main concern is exactly what you have stated "If RH decide
> Fedora should go away it would" in other words "You exist only because
> we allow you to exist"
> The former is a pretty strong statement the latter is my own
> interpre
Manuel Escudero wrote:
> I think it's necessary...
I think that 1. it's not necessary or useful and 2. it may well be a
violation of Fedora's trademark guidelines.
> And is not propietary, the code is out there for anyone to play with it,
> the real owner is fedora :)
Huh? This code runs on Goo
Manuel Escudero wrote:
> Shut up kevin...
Please watch your language. The points I'm making are very important,
telling me to be quiet (in a not very nice way) is not going to solve the
fundamental problem.
> the code is opensource and you can have it if you want, you can modify
> it...
The fe
Bill Nottingham wrote:
> OK. So the question is ... what does this button do? Invoke 'halt'?
> Invoke 'shutdown -h now'? Invoke ConsoleKit's Stop() method?
Assuming you run KDM, the button invokes KDM's API for shutting down. So
that reduces the question to what KDM does. If you don't run KDM, we
On 08/29/2010 05:29 AM, Mike McGrath wrote:
> Beats me, but not to releng, the team who's ability you were calling into
> question.
Could you care to explain to me how I'm was calling releng ability into
question?
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2010/8/28 Kevin Kofler
> Manuel Escudero wrote:
> > We have to continue! I propouse using "Google's stuff" in order to have a
> > "Standard" for all desktops and maybe linux distros...
>
> A "standard" relying on proprietary Google (and other) web services? No
> thanks!
>
> > I called it the "Fed
2010/8/28 Kevin Kofler
> Thomas Janssen wrote:
> > I just tried it. *Very* nice.
>
> You DO realize that this stuff is just Google with some options and that it
> is completely proprietary and out of our control?
>
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On 08/28/2010 09:40 PM, Mike McGrath wrote:
> I know it's not a comfortable thing to deal with, I know I'm not super
> happy about it but Fedora exists almost entirely because RH wills it to.
> If RH decided Fedora should go away, it would. You could fork, have a
> mess of a time getting infrast
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 08/28/2010 09:40 PM, Mike McGrath wrote:
> > Dennis is his backup (RH employee) and if need be I know jwb (not redhat
> > employee) is more than capable of handling these problems. Believe it or
> > not, we do consider these things and cr
Matej Cepl wrote:
> I believe KDE should have something equivalent ... don't you have a tool
> for managing multiple screens/heads?
It doesn't do systemwide/permanent settings. (But I think the GNOME tool
also doesn't implement that at this time.)
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On 08/28/2010 09:40 PM, Mike McGrath wrote:
> Dennis is his backup (RH employee) and if need be I know jwb (not redhat
> employee) is more than capable of handling these problems. Believe it or
> not, we do consider these things and cross train. If you have the
> several hours per week availabl
Patrice Dumas wrote:
> I just checked that cabextract and libmspack are indeed in sync.
> There is now a ./configure option --with-external-libmspack that
> may be used to link against system libmspack.
Then this must be done.
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Thomas Janssen wrote:
> I just tried it. *Very* nice.
You DO realize that this stuff is just Google with some options and that it
is completely proprietary and out of our control?
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Manuel Escudero wrote:
> We have to continue! I propouse using "Google's stuff" in order to have a
> "Standard" for all desktops and maybe linux distros...
A "standard" relying on proprietary Google (and other) web services? No
thanks!
> I called it the "Fedora's Engine" and is built over Google
Jesse Keating wrote:
> The cynic in me would expect that the people who want something different
> than the fire hose we have now are silently leaving, and those that are
> left are going to say they like the deluge of updates.
You say that as if it were a negative thing. It's actually very positi
"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> The first mistake we did was trying to label end user since it's not up
> to the project in whole to decide which end user type it's target.
>
> It's should be up to individual community SIG's to decide what user base
> they are targeting and the form they will pre
As an aside it is important to remember that solaris was moribund -
almost kaput- because most of the world had turned to linux in its stead
and its customer base shrinking - some die hards or those that didn't
want or weren't able to switch to linux for whatever reason.
Linux today is live and
Mike McGrath wrote:
> All you can do is trust RH to do the right thing, know we'll make
> mistakes from time to time
And bear in mind how long Red Hat has been doing this and how often
they've chosen to stay on the side of free software versus trying to
close things off for short-term financial ga
On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 17:16:12 +, you wrote:
>We have a clear cut example what can happen ( The Oracle and OpenSolaris
>case ) so first and foremost we need to make sure that a single
>corporate entity does not have control over the project which means that
>no corporate entity may have major
"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 08/28/2010 08:28 PM, Jesse Keating wrote:
>> What are you afraid of?
>
>I think my concerns have been very clear.
>
>> Fedora is not a country, you don't have to move to get away. All the code
>> is free. Most the code isn't even ours, it belongs to the u
On Sat, 28 Aug 2010, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 08/28/2010 08:28 PM, Jesse Keating wrote:
> > What are you afraid of?
>
> I think my concerns have been very clear.
>
> > Fedora is not a country, you don't have to move to get away. All the code
> > is free. Most the code isn't even ou
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 01:28:26PM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
> What are you afraid of? Fedora is not a country, you don't have to
> move to get away. All the code is free. Most the code isn't even ours,
> it belongs to the upstreams. If somebody were to buy RHT, the worse
> they could do is pre
On 08/28/2010 08:28 PM, Jesse Keating wrote:
> What are you afraid of?
I think my concerns have been very clear.
> Fedora is not a country, you don't have to move to get away. All the code
> is free. Most the code isn't even ours, it belongs to the upstreams. If
> somebody were to buy RHT,
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 16:14:42 -0400,
Chris Ball wrote:
>
> How are you defining which things are sponsored and paid for? If it's
> "whatever things Red Hat chooses to pay for", then the answer to how
> much RH pays for is 100% by definition. If it's "all of the things
> Red Hat requires fr
"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 08/28/2010 06:42 PM, Jesse Keating wrote:
>> This is utter bullshit. It assumes that anybody who works in the corporate
>> world and happens to have an interest in Fedora is somehow going to be a
>> puppet for the Smokey backroom corporate overlords and th
Hi,
> For the most part Fedora is a community built around the Fedora
> Operating System which is 90+% sponsored and paid for by Red Hat
> Inc.
How are you defining which things are sponsored and paid for? If it's
"whatever things Red Hat chooses to pay for", then the answer to how
much
On 08/28/2010 06:42 PM, Jesse Keating wrote:
> This is utter bullshit. It assumes that anybody who works in the corporate
> world and happens to have an interest in Fedora is somehow going to be a
> puppet for the Smokey backroom corporate overlords and their evil designs
> upon Fedora. It's l
2010/8/28 "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" :
> On 08/27/2010 10:47 PM, Bob Arendt wrote:
>
> Actually I think Fedora *should* articulate who the users are, basically
> design and express who and what Fedora is designed for. If you poll
> "users" - people who download Fedora - and cater to their stated desi
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:42:15AM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
> What the mobile sig and what the server sig want are going to be different
> things. That conflict will show itself in package configs, comps
> groupings, update policy, etc...
Actually, not necessarily. Those two groups both have a
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:42:15 -0700,
Jesse Keating wrote:
>
> This is utter bullshit. It assumes that anybody who works in the corporate
> world and happens to have an interest in Fedora is somehow going to be a
> puppet for the Smokey backroom corporate overlords and their evil designs
>
"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 08/28/2010 05:31 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
>> On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 17:16:12 +,
>>"\"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson\"" wrote:
>>> It's not far from reality that Red Hat will get bought by a company
>>> like Oracle so what's preventing us to get the same t
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 17:43:35 +,
"\"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson\"" wrote:
>
> Unfortunate this has the side effect off taking side of one part of the
> community over the other ( and the problem that comes with that ) and
> usually people that are asked in cases like these are not the once
On 08/28/2010 05:31 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 17:16:12 +,
>"\"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson\"" wrote:
>> It's not far from reality that Red Hat will get bought by a company
>> like Oracle so what's preventing us to get the same treatment as
>> OpenSolaris got?
>>
>> Wh
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 17:16:12 +,
"\"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson\"" wrote:
> It's not far from reality that Red Hat will get bought by a company
> like Oracle so what's preventing us to get the same treatment as
> OpenSolaris got?
>
> What happens to all the work the community has done, the fru
On 08/27/2010 10:47 PM, Bob Arendt wrote:
Actually I think Fedora*should* articulate who the users are, basically
design and express who and what Fedora is designed for. If you poll
"users" - people who download Fedora - and cater to their stated desires
for the sake of market share, then mark
"James Cassell" wrote:
>On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 11:00:07 -0400, Branched Report
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Removed package: pastebin-0.60-6.fc12
>
>Why has this been removed?
>
>
It was removed because it was orphaned and nobody took ownership.
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On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 11:00:07 -0400, Branched Report
wrote:
>
> Removed package: pastebin-0.60-6.fc12
Why has this been removed?
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On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 10:39:39AM +0200, Dan Horák wrote:
> > libmspack
>
> I'm going to unorphan this one, because I use it as dependency it my
> experimental package of the upcoming wxGTK 3.0. But per upstream web
> pages there are other projects that use most likely embedded copies of
> this l
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 10:39:39AM +0200, Dan Horák wrote:
> > libmspack
>
> I'm going to unorphan this one, because I use it as dependency it my
> experimental package of the upcoming wxGTK 3.0. But per upstream web
> pages there are other projects that use most likely embedded copies of
> this l
> libmspack
I'm going to unorphan this one, because I use it as dependency it my
experimental package of the upcoming wxGTK 3.0. But per upstream web
pages there are other projects that use most likely embedded copies of
this library - wine, openoffice.org and cabextract
Dan
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