Re: Package maintainers -- want test results by mail?

2010-06-02 Thread Ville Skyttä
On Thursday 03 June 2010, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 23:05 +0100, Mat Booth wrote: > > It doesn't even know all English words. In one review I did recently > > rpmlint flagged the word "decryption" as a spelling error. Which I > > didn't believe, so I looked it up. It's a valid

Re: Package maintainers -- want test results by mail?

2010-06-02 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 06/02/2010 08:23 PM, seth vidal wrote: > On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 10:46 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: >> On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 19:41 +0200, Till Maas wrote: >>> And I doubt that python scripts in below >>> /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages usually need to be executable. Since >>> yum works without any

Re: -upstart subpackage vs tranditional initscripts

2010-06-02 Thread Genes MailLists
On 06/02/2010 11:11 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: = > If someone would let the FPC know how to write good upstart scripts and > packages we could certainly write up minimum requirements for the case where > someone does want to package an upstart script. And systemd is coming soon too ... i think it

Re: Package maintainers -- want test results by mail?

2010-06-02 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 06/02/2010 07:25 PM, Matt McCutchen wrote: > On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 14:48 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >> Well, then lets begin: >> >> # rpmlint yum >> yum.noarch: W: self-obsoletion yum-allow-downgrade< 1.1.20-0 obsoletes >> yum-allow-downgrade > [...] >> yum.noarch: W: non-conffile-in-etc /etc

Re: Curiosity, Are Cursor Themes that Critical?

2010-06-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/03/2010 08:44 AM, Matthias Clasen wrote: > The complication was the talk about virtual provides and whatnot. > If the desktop doesn't fall apart if I fail to install a cursor theme (it should be able to cope up really), all that is needed is for you to drop the explicit dependency and ad

Re: suggestion: rescue boot extension

2010-06-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/03/2010 01:32 AM, Jon Masters wrote: > Yea. I think you don't do updates for it in general. I think I agree > with Seth that this is something Anaconda stuffs in place when it > installs grub. > I think a RFE has been filed against Anaconda before but please file one if not. Rahul -- d

Re: deluge and flags sub package

2010-06-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/03/2010 02:40 AM, Peter Gordon wrote: > On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 00:56 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> I will work with Ankur Sinha and probably do this for Rawhide in the >> next couple of days. Peter Gordon, let me know if you have any objections >> > This sounds good to me - pleas

Re: Curiosity, Are Cursor Themes that Critical?

2010-06-02 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 08:35 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 06/03/2010 03:28 AM, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > > > That is just making things complicated, for minimal gain. > > > > > > Yes and no. Purely as a desktop user, there isn't much of a gain but > certainly for a more minimalistic envi

Re: -upstart subpackage vs tranditional initscripts

2010-06-02 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Thu, Jun 03, 2010 at 10:18:59AM +0800, Chen Lei wrote: > 2010/6/3 Toshio Kuratomi : > >> > > This is intended to tell people that SystemVinit scripts are mandatory for > > services managed by the init system.  But providing native upstart as an > > addition (or initng, minit, etc) is not prohibi

Re: Curiosity, Are Cursor Themes that Critical?

2010-06-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/03/2010 03:28 AM, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > That is just making things complicated, for minimal gain. > > Yes and no. Purely as a desktop user, there isn't much of a gain but certainly for a more minimalistic environment it makes sense to list them in comps and not add a artificial dep

Re: -upstart subpackage vs tranditional initscripts

2010-06-02 Thread Chen Lei
2010/6/3 Toshio Kuratomi : >> > This is intended to tell people that SystemVinit scripts are mandatory for > services managed by the init system.  But providing native upstart as an > addition (or initng, minit, etc) is not prohibited by this. > > -Toshio > > I don't think provide both upstart and

Re: i386-class support changed in F-13?

2010-06-02 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > It's a bit intangible and not entirely predicated on whether we're using > the keyword or flag setup, I think. Currently when we're considering > bugs we use a search that excludes closed bugs, In either case, I would suggest that it may be

Re: i386-class support changed in F-13?

2010-06-02 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 15:31 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > Ah. It's a shame it wasn't put up for consideration as a release > > blocker. Obviously the rather peremptory response from Jakub didn't help > > with that... > > Would the flag con

Re: i386-class support changed in F-13?

2010-06-02 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > Ah. It's a shame it wasn't put up for consideration as a release > blocker. Obviously the rather peremptory response from Jakub didn't help > with that... Would the flag concept for blocker status that Jesse was championing recently have he

Re: FC13 nss-softokn-freebl update issues

2010-06-02 Thread Bill Nottingham
Elio Maldonado (emald...@redhat.com) said: > > 2) Wait for either of https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/glibc-2.12-2 > > or > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/pidgin-2.7.1-2.fc13 to be pushed to > > stable, as those will pull in the i686 nss-softokn-freebl through library > > depend

Re: Package maintainers -- want test results by mail?

2010-06-02 Thread James Antill
On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 23:15 +0300, Ville Skyttä wrote: > On Wednesday 02 June 2010, James Antill wrote: > > > The self obsolete ones are wrong, being able to do: > > > > Name: foo > > Provide: bar = 2 > > Obsolete: bar <= 2 > > > > ...is completely legal and needed for rename/merging > > Yes (

Re: Package maintainers -- want test results by mail?

2010-06-02 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 23:05 +0100, Mat Booth wrote: > It doesn't even know all English words. In one review I did recently > rpmlint flagged the word "decryption" as a spelling error. Which I > didn't believe, so I looked it up. It's a valid noun form of the verb > "decrypt" in the English diction

Re: i386-class support changed in F-13?

2010-06-02 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 23:54 +0200, Till Maas wrote: > On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 02:43:11PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 09:13 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > > > > This issue points out a gap in our QA testing. > > > > Indeed, although there are _many_ gaps in our QA te

Re: suggestion: rescue boot extension

2010-06-02 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 23:51 +0200, Alexander Boström wrote: > Ok, a mini-Fedora that lives entirely in a subdir of the boot partition, > containing an application for managing grub.conf and other things. > Things it should be able to do: > > * Manage those yum-integrated btrfs snapshots. >

Re: Package maintainers -- want test results by mail?

2010-06-02 Thread Mat Booth
On 2 June 2010 22:33, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 07:49 -0400, James Laska wrote: > > On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 10:49 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > > On 06/01/2010 10:43 PM, James Laska wrote: > > > > Greetings package maintainers, > > > > > > > > Want to get notification of any

Re: suggestion: rescue boot extension

2010-06-02 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 16:55 -0400, Jon Masters wrote: > On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 16:47 -0400, Przemek Klosowski wrote: > > On 06/02/2010 04:02 PM, Jon Masters wrote: > > > > > That said, of course eventually you could have two of these images and > > > allow for them to be upgraded, etc. etc. To star

Re: Curiosity, Are Cursor Themes that Critical?

2010-06-02 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 14:28 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 11:50 -0600, Geoff Reedy wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 02:42:08AM +0530, Rahul Sundaram said > > > The former is the default theme and has been added as a dependency to a > > > core package. You are seeing a cas

Re: i386-class support changed in F-13?

2010-06-02 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 02:43:11PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 09:13 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > > This issue points out a gap in our QA testing. > > Indeed, although there are _many_ gaps in our QA testing, and this is > not news. =) We don't have the resources to

Re: about php-qa, phpUnderControl and meta packages

2010-06-02 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 18:31 +0200, Christof Damian wrote: > I am reposting this from fedora php-devel list to get a bigger > audience. My questions are not that PHP specific: Good, because neither are my answers =) I know nothing about the area in question, so bear that in mind. > I got two quest

Re: suggestion: rescue boot extension

2010-06-02 Thread Alexander Boström
Ok, a mini-Fedora that lives entirely in a subdir of the boot partition, containing an application for managing grub.conf and other things. Things it should be able to do: * Manage those yum-integrated btrfs snapshots. * Download Fedora and other distro pxeboot and live images and

Re: suggestion: rescue boot extension

2010-06-02 Thread Frank Murphy
On 02/06/10 21:55, Jon Masters wrote: --snip-- >> Rescue environment aside, it'd be nice to avoid failing the upgrade >> because of insufficient space in /boot. I think 200 MB default /boot >> prove to be too small---perhaps 500 MB should be the new default? > > It does seem to be the default in

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-06-02 Thread Björn Persson
Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Wed, 26.05.10 22:06, Björn Persson (bj...@rombobjörn.se) wrote: > > This suggests to me that environment variables isn't the right way to do > > this. Environment variables are good for parameters that should be > > available to many processes. Command line parameters

Re: i386-class support changed in F-13?

2010-06-02 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 09:13 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > This issue points out a gap in our QA testing. Indeed, although there are _many_ gaps in our QA testing, and this is not news. =) We don't have the resources to test anywhere close to everything. The extent of claimed CPU arch support is

Re: Package maintainers -- want test results by mail?

2010-06-02 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 07:49 -0400, James Laska wrote: > On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 10:49 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > On 06/01/2010 10:43 PM, James Laska wrote: > > > Greetings package maintainers, > > > > > > Want to get notification of any breakage in your just-built koji > > > packages? This inc

[Bug 598989] [abrt] crash in perl-Padre-0.50-4.fc13: Process /usr/bin/perl was killed by signal 11 (SIGSEGV)

2010-06-02 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=598989 --- Comment #3 from Petr Pisar 2010-06-02 17:30:50 EDT --- It segfaulted here: 0x003deb46b954 <+36>: callq 0x3deb41c658 =

Re: Curiosity, Are Cursor Themes that Critical?

2010-06-02 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 11:50 -0600, Geoff Reedy wrote: > On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 02:42:08AM +0530, Rahul Sundaram said > > The former is the default theme and has been added as a dependency to a > > core package. You are seeing a cascading set of dependencies as a result. > > Should that be done t

Re: suggestion: rescue boot extension

2010-06-02 Thread Jon Masters
On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 16:04 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Eric Sandeen wrote: > > Is it better to have a separate volume for this, or to just have a sort > > of rescue initramfs ...? > > > > Seems like the latter is more flexible but then I'm no boot process wizard. > > Good suggestion. > >

Re: FC13 nss-softokn-freebl update issues

2010-06-02 Thread Elio Maldonado
On 06/02/2010 12:51 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Robert Relyea (rrel...@redhat.com) said: >>> It's due to the fact that nss-softokn-freebl (actually, *all* the nss/nspr >>> libraires) do not fit the normal library naming, so it's not explicitly >>> pulled for >>> multilib. For any update or releas

Re: deluge and flags sub package

2010-06-02 Thread Peter Gordon
On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 00:56 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > I will work with Ankur Sinha and probably do this for Rawhide in the > next couple of days. Peter Gordon, let me know if you have any objections This sounds good to me - please go ahead with your changes. (Apologies about the unavailabi

Re: -upstart subpackage vs tranditional initscripts

2010-06-02 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Thu, Jun 03, 2010 at 02:30:23AM +0800, Chen Lei wrote: > 2010/6/3 Matt McCutchen : > > On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 20:00 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > >> Chen Lei wrote: > >> > Is it right for the maintainer to provide  two separate subpackages, > >> > one with the tranditional rc.d contents and one wi

Re: suggestion: rescue boot extension

2010-06-02 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Eric Sandeen wrote: > Is it better to have a separate volume for this, or to just have a sort > of rescue initramfs ...? > > Seems like the latter is more flexible but then I'm no boot process wizard. Good suggestion. Another one: What about LVM snapshots? and/or btrfs snapshots? Either way woul

Re: -upstart subpackage vs tranditional initscripts

2010-06-02 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 01:43:10PM -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Lennart Poettering wrote: > > We wanted to make the transition from sysv to systemd very easy, and I > > think this is the simplemost scheme we could come up with. During a > > transition period packages should just ship both fi

Re: suggestion: rescue boot extension

2010-06-02 Thread Jon Masters
On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 16:47 -0400, Przemek Klosowski wrote: > On 06/02/2010 04:02 PM, Jon Masters wrote: > > > That said, of course eventually you could have two of these images and > > allow for them to be upgraded, etc. etc. To start with though, I think > > there's a lot of value in pre-committ

Re: suggestion: rescue boot extension

2010-06-02 Thread Jesse Keating
On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 15:39 -0500, Eric Sandeen wrote: > The ability to create/update a rescue image would be very useful IMHO. If it was a ramfs that was writable, and you had say yum/rpm in there, you could update the running code and make use of a newer e2fsck... -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- F

Re: suggestion: rescue boot extension

2010-06-02 Thread Jon Masters
On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 15:39 -0500, Eric Sandeen wrote: > Jon Masters wrote: > > On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 21:22 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > >> On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 03:13:21PM -0500, Eric Sandeen wrote: > > > >>> Is it better to have a separate volume for this, or to just have a sort > >>> of

Re: suggestion: rescue boot extension

2010-06-02 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 06/02/2010 04:02 PM, Jon Masters wrote: > That said, of course eventually you could have two of these images and > allow for them to be upgraded, etc. etc. To start with though, I think > there's a lot of value in pre-committing a couple hundred MB of disk > space to having a rescue environment

Re: suggestion: rescue boot extension

2010-06-02 Thread Eric Sandeen
Jon Masters wrote: > On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 21:22 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: >> On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 03:13:21PM -0500, Eric Sandeen wrote: > >>> Is it better to have a separate volume for this, or to just have a sort >>> of rescue initramfs ...? >> Or if you are able to run a little bit of

Re: culmus-fonts packaging bug / Non-responsive maintainer

2010-06-02 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 06:49:53PM +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Thu, 03 Jun 2010 00:07:24 +0900, Mamoru wrote: > > > Toshio Kuratomi wrote, at 06/02/2010 11:51 PM +9:00: > > > On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 08:12:08PM +0900, Mamoru Tasaka wrote: > > >> Michael Schwendt wrote, at 06/02/2010 06:49 P

Re: suggestion: rescue boot extension

2010-06-02 Thread Jon Masters
On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 21:22 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 03:13:21PM -0500, Eric Sandeen wrote: > > Is it better to have a separate volume for this, or to just have a sort > > of rescue initramfs ...? > > Or if you are able to run a little bit of C code[1] and can rea

Re: Package maintainers -- want test results by mail?

2010-06-02 Thread Ville Skyttä
On Wednesday 02 June 2010, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > binutils.x86_64: W: spelling-error %description -l en_US addr -> add, > adder, adds This is a genuine bug, I'll try to have a look into and/or work around it. Enchant appears to tokenize "addr2line" into two words and naturally ends up flaggin

Re: suggestion: rescue boot extension

2010-06-02 Thread Eric Sandeen
Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 03:13:21PM -0500, Eric Sandeen wrote: >> Jon Masters wrote: >>> On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 13:03 -0700, Roland McGrath wrote: > Hm. I can see the use of this, but I can also see issues with how you > do updates for it sanely (if at all.) W

Re: suggestion: rescue boot extension

2010-06-02 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 03:13:21PM -0500, Eric Sandeen wrote: > Jon Masters wrote: > > On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 13:03 -0700, Roland McGrath wrote: > >>> Hm. I can see the use of this, but I can also see issues with how you > >>> do updates for it sanely (if at all.) > >> Why would you do updates for i

Re: Package maintainers -- want test results by mail?

2010-06-02 Thread Ville Skyttä
On Wednesday 02 June 2010, Matt McCutchen wrote: > The right thing to do is to file a bug against bash-completion to get > that decision made and then implement it, either by marking the file as > config or moving /etc/bash_completion.d to /usr/share. The warning is > not wrong. Moving to /usr/s

Re: Package maintainers -- want test results by mail?

2010-06-02 Thread Ville Skyttä
On Wednesday 02 June 2010, James Antill wrote: > The self obsolete ones are wrong, being able to do: > > Name: foo > Provide: bar = 2 > Obsolete: bar <= 2 > > ...is completely legal and needed for rename/merging Yes (assuming you mean "Obsoletes: bar < 2", not "<= 2"). > which is why yum has

Re: suggestion: rescue boot extension

2010-06-02 Thread Eric Sandeen
Jon Masters wrote: > On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 13:03 -0700, Roland McGrath wrote: >>> Hm. I can see the use of this, but I can also see issues with how you >>> do updates for it sanely (if at all.) >> Why would you do updates for it? Your install CD/DVD to use for rescue >> boot doesn't get updated.

Re: -upstart subpackage vs tranditional initscripts

2010-06-02 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Lennart Poettering wrote: > If you can make everyone move away from sysv to something else, then by > all means I'll do my best to aid in patches, but I don't have much > confidence since everything that has been said about systemd has

Re: suggestion: rescue boot extension

2010-06-02 Thread Jon Masters
On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 13:03 -0700, Roland McGrath wrote: > > Hm. I can see the use of this, but I can also see issues with how you > > do updates for it sanely (if at all.) > > Why would you do updates for it? Your install CD/DVD to use for rescue > boot doesn't get updated. I'd think you'd just

Re: suggestion: rescue boot extension

2010-06-02 Thread Roland McGrath
> Hm. I can see the use of this, but I can also see issues with how you > do updates for it sanely (if at all.) Why would you do updates for it? Your install CD/DVD to use for rescue boot doesn't get updated. I'd think you'd just install a pristine newer one verbatim if you had a reason to bothe

Re: suggestion: rescue boot extension

2010-06-02 Thread Jon Masters
On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 15:54 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Jon Masters (jonat...@jonmasters.org) said: > > There are various projects implementing LiveCD, rescue, or snapshotted > > updates. I would like to propose a feature in which some of the > > rescue/LiveCD bits are (optionally) installed t

Re: suggestion: rescue boot extension

2010-06-02 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jon Masters (jonat...@jonmasters.org) said: > There are various projects implementing LiveCD, rescue, or snapshotted > updates. I would like to propose a feature in which some of the > rescue/LiveCD bits are (optionally) installed to a spare volume during > install such that there's always a rescu

Re: FC13 nss-softokn-freebl update issues

2010-06-02 Thread Bill Nottingham
Robert Relyea (rrel...@redhat.com) said: > > It's due to the fact that nss-softokn-freebl (actually, *all* the nss/nspr > > libraires) do not fit the normal library naming, so it's not explicitly > > pulled for > > multilib. For any update or release set that's composed with a package that > > e

Re: -upstart subpackage vs tranditional initscripts

2010-06-02 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 02.06.10 15:27, Tom Lane (t...@redhat.com) wrote: > > Michael Cronenworth writes: > > If you can make everyone move away from sysv to something else, then by > > all means I'll do my best to aid in patches, but I don't have much > > confidence since everything that has been said about

Re: -upstart subpackage vs tranditional initscripts

2010-06-02 Thread Tom Lane
Michael Cronenworth writes: > If you can make everyone move away from sysv to something else, then by > all means I'll do my best to aid in patches, but I don't have much > confidence since everything that has been said about systemd has been > said of upstart a few years ago. Instead of reinve

Re: -upstart subpackage vs tranditional initscripts

2010-06-02 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 02.06.10 13:43, Michael Cronenworth (m...@cchtml.com) wrote: > > Lennart Poettering wrote: > > We wanted to make the transition from sysv to systemd very easy, and I > > think this is the simplemost scheme we could come up with. During a > > transition period packages should just ship bot

Re: suggestion: rescue boot extension

2010-06-02 Thread seth vidal
On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 15:04 -0400, Jon Masters wrote: > Folks, > > There are various projects implementing LiveCD, rescue, or snapshotted > updates. I would like to propose a feature in which some of the > rescue/LiveCD bits are (optionally) installed to a spare volume during > install such that t

suggestion: rescue boot extension

2010-06-02 Thread Jon Masters
Folks, There are various projects implementing LiveCD, rescue, or snapshotted updates. I would like to propose a feature in which some of the rescue/LiveCD bits are (optionally) installed to a spare volume during install such that there's always a rescue/Live boot option that can boot up to a reco

Re: FC13 nss-softokn-freebl update issues

2010-06-02 Thread Robert Relyea
On 06/01/2010 11:48 AM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Elio Maldonado (emald...@redhat.com) said: > >> Not sure but I strongly suspect a change made to nss.spec to be the cause. >> See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=596840#c7 >> > It's due to the fact that nss-softokn-freebl (actu

Re: Package maintainers -- want test results by mail?

2010-06-02 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 07:59:22PM +0200, Till Maas wrote: > On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 10:46:51AM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: > > On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 19:41 +0200, Till Maas wrote: > > > And I doubt that python scripts in below > > > /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages usually need to be executable. Si

Re: -upstart subpackage vs tranditional initscripts

2010-06-02 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Lennart Poettering wrote: > We wanted to make the transition from sysv to systemd very easy, and I > think this is the simplemost scheme we could come up with. During a > transition period packages should just ship both files and it'll work > with both init systems. s/systemd/upstart/ This is not

Re: Package maintainers -- want test results by mail?

2010-06-02 Thread Jesse Keating
On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 19:59 +0200, Till Maas wrote: > On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 10:46:51AM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: > > On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 19:41 +0200, Till Maas wrote: > > > And I doubt that python scripts in below > > > /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages usually need to be executable. Since > >

Re: -upstart subpackage vs tranditional initscripts

2010-06-02 Thread Chen Lei
2010/6/3 Matt McCutchen : > On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 20:00 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> Chen Lei wrote: >> > Is it right for the maintainer to provide  two separate subpackages, >> > one with the tranditional rc.d contents and one with an upstart >> > scripts and make the -upstart subpackage have a h

Re: Package maintainers -- want test results by mail?

2010-06-02 Thread James Antill
On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 13:25 -0400, Matt McCutchen wrote: > On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 14:48 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > Well, then lets begin: > > > > # rpmlint yum > > yum.noarch: W: self-obsoletion yum-allow-downgrade < 1.1.20-0 obsoletes > > yum-allow-downgrade [...] > Which of those messages

Re: Package maintainers -- want test results by mail?

2010-06-02 Thread seth vidal
On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 10:46 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 19:41 +0200, Till Maas wrote: > > And I doubt that python scripts in below > > /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages usually need to be executable. Since > > yum works without any problems, these tons of errors are useless,

Re: -upstart subpackage vs tranditional initscripts

2010-06-02 Thread Matt McCutchen
On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 20:00 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Chen Lei wrote: > > Is it right for the maintainer to provide two separate subpackages, > > one with the tranditional rc.d contents and one with an upstart > > scripts and make the -upstart subpackage have a higher priority over > > sysinit

Re: -upstart subpackage vs tranditional initscripts

2010-06-02 Thread Chen Lei
2010/6/3 Kevin Kofler : > Chen Lei wrote: >> Is it right for the maintainer to provide  two separate subpackages, >> one with the tranditional rc.d contents and one with an upstart >> scripts and make the -upstart subpackage have a higher priority over >> sysinit subpackage? > > No. This is against

Re: tor-lsb -- hey, look, package script, don't complain to _me_. I'm just installing you.

2010-06-02 Thread Ryan Rix
On Tue 1 June 2010 8:48:02 am Paul Wouters wrote: > I'm getting seriously tired of this tor package discussion every six > months. Seriously, just rip out the childish %post crap, and remove > all the non-fedora initscript sub package nonsense. This is not the > Enrico Project. Halfway there, if y

[Bug 597707] please update perl-Software-License to latest upstream release

2010-06-02 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=597707 --- Comment #6 from Fedora Update System 2010-06-02 14:10:01 EDT --- perl-Software-License-0.101410-1.fc13 has been pushed to t

Re: -upstart subpackage vs tranditional initscripts

2010-06-02 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Chris Adams wrote: > That would require systemd to be installed though, since otherwise > /etc/systemd doesn't exist (or every package that wants to drop a file > in there has to own it). > > I guess the directory could be added to chkconfig or even filesystem. Tha

Re: Package maintainers -- want test results by mail?

2010-06-02 Thread Matt McCutchen
On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 19:41 +0200, Till Maas wrote: > On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 01:25:01PM -0400, Matt McCutchen wrote: > > On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 14:48 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > > > yum.noarch: W: non-conffile-in-etc /etc/bash_completion.d/yum.bash > > > yum.noarch: E: non-executable-script

Re: -upstart subpackage vs tranditional initscripts

2010-06-02 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jeff Spaleta wrote: > Even if systemd becomes the default, I doubt upstart is going to disappear > from the repository. Uh, IMHO it should get obsoleted by systemd and removed from the repository. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproje

[Bug 597707] please update perl-Software-License to latest upstream release

2010-06-02 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=597707 Fedora Update System changed: What|Removed |Added --

Re: -upstart subpackage vs tranditional initscripts

2010-06-02 Thread Kevin Kofler
Chen Lei wrote: > Is it right for the maintainer to provide two separate subpackages, > one with the tranditional rc.d contents and one with an upstart > scripts and make the -upstart subpackage have a higher priority over > sysinit subpackage? No. This is against our packaging guidelines. You'll

Re: Package maintainers -- want test results by mail?

2010-06-02 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 10:46:51AM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 19:41 +0200, Till Maas wrote: > > And I doubt that python scripts in below > > /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages usually need to be executable. Since > > yum works without any problems, these tons of errors are us

Re: Curiosity, Are Cursor Themes that Critical?

2010-06-02 Thread Geoff Reedy
On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 02:42:08AM +0530, Rahul Sundaram said > The former is the default theme and has been added as a dependency to a > core package. You are seeing a cascading set of dependencies as a result. Should that be done through comps? It's not a really required for functionality of th

Re: Package maintainers -- want test results by mail?

2010-06-02 Thread Jesse Keating
On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 19:41 +0200, Till Maas wrote: > And I doubt that python scripts in below > /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages usually need to be executable. Since > yum works without any problems, these tons of errors are useless, too. > And they make it only harder to find real errors. I did n

Re: Package maintainers -- want test results by mail?

2010-06-02 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 01:25:01PM -0400, Matt McCutchen wrote: > On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 14:48 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > yum.noarch: W: non-conffile-in-etc /etc/bash_completion.d/yum.bash > > yum.noarch: E: non-executable-script > > /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/yum/repos.py 0644L /usr/b

about php-qa, phpUnderControl and meta packages

2010-06-02 Thread Christof Damian
I am reposting this from fedora php-devel list to get a bigger audience. My questions are not that PHP specific: I got two questions regarding my effort to package more of the php-qa packages for fedora. I have made a package for phpUnderControl now, but to use it you still have to install Cruis

Re: Package maintainers -- want test results by mail?

2010-06-02 Thread Matt McCutchen
On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 14:48 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > Well, then lets begin: > > # rpmlint yum > yum.noarch: W: self-obsoletion yum-allow-downgrade < 1.1.20-0 obsoletes > yum-allow-downgrade [...] > yum.noarch: W: non-conffile-in-etc /etc/bash_completion.d/yum.bash > yum.noarch: E: non-execu

Re: -upstart subpackage vs tranditional initscripts

2010-06-02 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Jeff Spaleta said: > On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 8:37 AM, Lennart Poettering > wrote: > > Handling this with systemd is very easy: you can just drop in a file in > > /etc/init.d/foo *AND* /etc/systemd/system/foo.service from the same > > package. And then, if something that is not s

Re: -upstart subpackage vs tranditional initscripts

2010-06-02 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 8:37 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > Handling this with systemd is very easy: you can just drop in a file in > /etc/init.d/foo *AND* /etc/systemd/system/foo.service from the same > package. And then, if something that is not systemd is booted it will > only see the init scri

Re: -upstart subpackage vs tranditional initscripts

2010-06-02 Thread Colin Walters
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Chen Lei wrote: > > Is it right for the maintainer to provide  two separate subpackages, > one with the tranditional rc.d contents and one with an upstart > scripts and make the -upstart subpackage have a higher priority over > sysinit subpackage? No, that's crazy.

Re: culmus-fonts packaging bug / Non-responsive maintainer

2010-06-02 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 03 Jun 2010 00:07:24 +0900, Mamoru wrote: > Toshio Kuratomi wrote, at 06/02/2010 11:51 PM +9:00: > > On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 08:12:08PM +0900, Mamoru Tasaka wrote: > >> Michael Schwendt wrote, at 06/02/2010 06:49 PM +9:00: > >>> http://bugzilla.redhat.com/570819 > >>> > >>> A ticket opened

Re: -upstart subpackage vs tranditional initscripts

2010-06-02 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 02.06.10 08:12, Jeff Spaleta (jspal...@gmail.com) wrote: > Assuming moving forward a maintainer has the option to support > sysinitv, upstart and systemd, what can be done to make sure the > correct init configuration is loaded on the system? Other than > including all the configs in the b

Re: rebuild of packages dependent on perl

2010-06-02 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 02:25:17PM +0200, Iain Arnell wrote: > On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 9:40 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > > > If anyone fancies having a go at fixing perl4caml ..  Debian reported > > a bug compiling this with Perl 5.12 already: > > > > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.c

Re: Package maintainers -- want test results by mail?

2010-06-02 Thread seth vidal
On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 19:07 +0300, Ville Skyttä wrote: > On Wednesday 02 June 2010, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 07:49 -0400, James Laska wrote: > > > > > Which packages do you maintain where the output has become unmanageable? > > > > For myself, I really only think that the s

a11y stack change

2010-06-02 Thread Matthias Clasen
Just a heads-up: As part of the ongoing march towards GNOME3, I have switched the accessibility stack to default to the dbus stack (at-spi2-core/at-spi2-atk/pyatspi) instead of the Corba stack (at-spi). Some initial testing shows that orca and caribou seem to work ok. One issue that I've noticed

Re: Package maintainers -- want test results by mail?

2010-06-02 Thread seth vidal
On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 08:54 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 08:36 -0400, seth vidal wrote: > > > > > I think the goal is, of course, to reduce the noise out and focus on > > making sure the packagers know about the truly broken. :) > > > > Another useful goal might be to o

Re: i386-class support changed in F-13?

2010-06-02 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 12:11:26PM -0400, David Michael wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > I wonder what the performance impact is. NOPL appears to be a > > variable length NOP (no-op). Obviously a very useful instruction for > > things like alignmen

Re: -upstart subpackage vs tranditional initscripts

2010-06-02 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 5:21 AM, Patrice Dumas wrote: > That being said, it seems that the new init system, systemd is already in > the pipe. Doing a policy for an obsolete technology may be some time > lost. Maybe even better would be preparing a policy for systemd scripts > than doing a policy fo

Re: i386-class support changed in F-13?

2010-06-02 Thread David Michael
Hi, On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > I wonder what the performance impact is. NOPL appears to be a > variable length NOP (no-op). Obviously a very useful instruction for > things like alignment, and gcc seems to stuff lots of them into the > code: > > $ objdump -d /

Re: Fedora rawhide FTBFS status 2010-05-27 i386

2010-06-02 Thread Matt Domsch
On Tue, Jun 01, 2010 at 04:52:42AM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 05/31/2010 07:44 PM, Matt Domsch wrote: > > Fedora Fails To Build From Source Results for i386 > > using rawhide from 2010-05-27 > > > > This is a full rebuild, the first for Fedora 14's rawhide. The > > builders all have Fedora

Re: Package maintainers -- want test results by mail?

2010-06-02 Thread Ville Skyttä
On Wednesday 02 June 2010, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 07:49 -0400, James Laska wrote: > > > Which packages do you maintain where the output has become unmanageable? > > For myself, I really only think that the spell checks are intolerable. There have been some complaints about

Re: i386-class support changed in F-13?

2010-06-02 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2010-06-01 at 22:43 +0200, Gland Vador wrote: > Sorry to reopen this old topic, but the conclusion is not obvious. The > F13 is out and it seems to have lost support for the Geode LX CPU > (cf.http://sharkcz.livejournal.com/5708.html), due to the use of the > NOPL instruction by GCC. >

Re: Fedora rawhide FTBFS status 2010-05-27 x86_64

2010-06-02 Thread Nils Philippsen
On Mon, 2010-05-31 at 12:43 -0500, Matt Domsch wrote: > nphilipp: gegl,gtkimageview,ufraw these all built fine as scratch, probably affected by the segfaulting pkgconfig -- Nils Philippsen "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase Red Hat a little Temporary Safet

Re: i386-class support changed in F-13?

2010-06-02 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 11:23:37AM -0400, David Michael wrote: > On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 2:39 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: > > It does work in F-12, the response for the lack of support in F-13 was > > 'deal with it'. There is suppose to be a patch to emulate it in the > > kernel but apparently it won

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