On Mon, 2010-05-10 at 01:31 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> You should be pressuring the author of the game you use to use GTK 2.0.
> If your game is no longer maintained, then you should update it yourself.
The game isn't maintained anymore, indeed. But unfortunately i'm not a C
programmer.
On 05/10/2010 01:23 AM, Léon Keijser wrote:
> I still use an old nethack-like game that unfortunately depends on gtk
> 1.2. Since i'll never be able to get it into Fedora, i just install gtk
> myself then i'm good to go again. I would regret it if my favorite
> distro drops the package simply beca
On Mon, 2010-05-10 at 02:09 -0400, Orcan Ogetbil wrote:
> Anyway, do we have a Fedora policy to remove software just because
> they are old and unmaintained upstream? If there is a happy userbase
> and a maintainer willing to take care of the package, what is the big
> deal?
I still use an old net
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 1:27 AM, Chen Lei wrote:
>
>
> 2010/5/10 Orcan Ogetbil
>>
>> On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 11:05 PM, Chen Lei wrote:
>> >
>> > swami(svn) now use gtk2, don't worry about this, it has a quite active
>> > upstream.
>> >
>>
>> I wonder where you got that information. The gtk2 port was
2010/5/10 Orcan Ogetbil
> On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 11:05 PM, Chen Lei wrote:
> >
> >
> > 2010/5/10 Orcan Ogetbil
> >>
> >> On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Chen Lei wrote:
> >>
> >> >> swami-0:0.9.4-6.fc12.x86_64
> >>
> >> This is the *only* soundfont editor there is in Linux, which is enough
> >>
Hello!
Not sure that people are still unaware of that issue, but, anyway,
here is my problem: I added RSS-filter to my blog, to properly sort
out off-topic or unappropriate content from my diary and make it
suitable for inclusion into Fedoraplanet, and listed address of new
filtered RSS at my ~/.p
On 05/09/2010 10:27 PM, Mike McGrath wrote:
> Bottom line is we should have done what we're doing now long ago, so we're
> suffering the consequences as a result. Lots of people with conflicting
> views are now here. Our lack of focus has just hurt us.
>
> Have you used OSX lately?
Have you eve
On Sun, 2010-05-09 at 15:27 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote:
> If you think we should vote, go join debian. I think
> they do that there.
First, I never said we should 'vote'. I talked about community
involvement.
Second, if you are looking at the sure path to drive people away,
sending them to "go joi
On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 11:05 PM, Chen Lei wrote:
>
>
> 2010/5/10 Orcan Ogetbil
>>
>> On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Chen Lei wrote:
>>
>> >> swami-0:0.9.4-6.fc12.x86_64
>>
>> This is the *only* soundfont editor there is in Linux, which is enough
>> reason to keep gtk+.
>> Upstream did not do any
2010/5/10 Patrice Dumas
> For the applications I know some comments
> * I am quite sure that gmanedit is not a manedit evolution. However,
> manedit
> is orphaned right now (though still not purged).
> * xdialog is build twice, once agains gtk+ and then against Gtk2. I think
> it would be nice
2010/5/10 Orcan Ogetbil
> On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Chen Lei wrote:
>
> >> swami-0:0.9.4-6.fc12.x86_64
>
> This is the *only* soundfont editor there is in Linux, which is enough
> reason to keep gtk+.
> Upstream did not do any updates recently, but that doesn't mean that
> the software is
USB-MODEM from Huawei (Model: Huawei EC1261 ) does not work with fedora-12
(kernel 2.6.32.11-.fc12.i686.PAE)
However an older version (Model: Huawei EC1260) works on the same kernel.
The following are the output of /var/log/messages when the respective
devices are connected
DOES NOT WORK (Newe
USB-MODEM from Huawei (Model: Huawei EC1261 ) does not work with fedora-12
(kernel 2.6.32.11-.fc12.i686.PAE)
However an older version (Model: Huawei EC1260) works on the same kernel.
The following are the output of /var/log/messages when the respective
devices are connected
DOES NOT WORK (Newe
On Sun 9 May 2010 10:26:35 am Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Mail Lists wrote:
> >The prime motivation of this project is a use case of intermittent
> >
> > internet connections of 5 mins a day.
> >
> > I seriously doubt that is the common use case for majority of fedora
> >
> > users.
>
> I think
On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> On 05/09/2010 10:03 AM, Andrea Musuruane wrote:
> > On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Matěj Cepl wrote:
> >> Dne 9.5.2010 06:53, Chen Lei napsal(a):
> >>> For them, we can simply:
> >>> 1. Simply orphan those application from repos which have de
On 05/09/2010 10:03 AM, Andrea Musuruane wrote:
> On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Matěj Cepl wrote:
>> Dne 9.5.2010 06:53, Chen Lei napsal(a):
>>> For them, we can simply:
>>> 1. Simply orphan those application from repos which have dead upstream
>>> for a long time. Normally, those allipcations h
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On Sun, May 09, 2010 at 10:16:45PM +0100, Adam Williamson wrote:
>
> I don't agree with that, entirely. Think about it - Red Hat sells big
> enterprise stuff. Mostly servers. Directly, PA and bleeding edge X stuff
> isn't of huge immediate interest to RH. I mean, of course RH is going to
> pay peo
On Sun, 2010-05-09 at 04:25 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Christoph Höger wrote:
> > Unfortunately g++ also allows one single precompiled header per
> > compilation unit. Does anyone know why?
>
> Because a g++ "precompiled header" is more or less a dump of the complete
> compiler state, which is
On Mon, 10 May 2010, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 05/10/2010 02:10 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>>
>> We do not and should never support proprietary drivers. Please NEVER
>> withhold a new version of X.Org X11 just because proprietary drivers don't
>> support it!
>>
>
> It might not be obvious but doin
On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 05/10/2010 02:10 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>>
>> We do not and should never support proprietary drivers. Please NEVER
>> withhold a new version of X.Org X11 just because proprietary drivers don't
>> support it!
>>
>
> It might not be obviou
On 05/10/2010 02:10 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>
> We do not and should never support proprietary drivers. Please NEVER
> withhold a new version of X.Org X11 just because proprietary drivers don't
> support it!
>
It might not be obvious but doing so is very counter productive even for
those user
On Sun, 2010-05-09 at 22:11 +0200, Thomas Janssen wrote:
> On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 7:34 PM, Gilboa Davara wrote:
> > If we, as a -community- project, want to remain relevant, it is time to
> > decide who we are and what is our goal.
>
> Agreed. The who we are is easy answered, we're RHs *playgroun
On Sun, May 09, 2010 at 10:17:39PM +0800, Chen Lei wrote:
> >
> Most of those applications are replaced, e.g. xmms2 for xmms, putty(svn)
> for putty 0.60,
> since it's already done by some other distributions, I think
> it's quite safe to retire gtk 1.2 completely from fedora.
That's not a good
Am Sonntag, den 09.05.2010, 04:25 +0200 schrieb Kevin Kofler:
> Christoph Höger wrote:
> > Unfortunately g++ also allows one single precompiled header per
> > compilation unit. Does anyone know why?
>
> Because a g++ "precompiled header" is more or less a dump of the complete
> compiler state, wh
Hello
Earlier I posted a request to see if anyone was willing to review a proposed
new RPM. I forgot to mention that I would be willing to exchange the review
with someone needing help geting their project reviewed.
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[Well, sorry for posting again to this subthread, but this particular post
has nothing whatsoever to do with hall monitoring. (Time for another new
subthread?)]
Thomas Janssen wrote:
> And we're gladly acting like it, e.g. x-server not compatible with HW
> vendor drivers at release time (believe
On Sun, 9 May 2010, Gilboa Davara wrote:
> On Sun, 2010-05-09 at 14:07 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> > On Sun, May 09, 2010 at 20:34:57 +0300,
> > Gilboa Davara wrote:
> > > Thus far, it seemed that the both the user and the developer communities
> > > were left out of these proceedings, and
On Sun, 2010-05-09 at 22:11 +0200, Thomas Janssen wrote:
> On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 7:34 PM, Gilboa Davara wrote:
> > If we, as a -community- project, want to remain relevant, it is time to
> > decide who we are and what is our goal.
>
> Agreed. The who we are is easy answered, we're RHs *playgroun
On Sun, 2010-05-09 at 14:07 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Sun, May 09, 2010 at 20:34:57 +0300,
> Gilboa Davara wrote:
> > Thus far, it seemed that the both the user and the developer communities
> > were left out of these proceedings, and everything was more-or-less
> > decided by FESCO, wh
On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 7:34 PM, Gilboa Davara wrote:
> If we, as a -community- project, want to remain relevant, it is time to
> decide who we are and what is our goal.
Agreed. The who we are is easy answered, we're RHs *playground*. That
is what everyone, not completely new to Linux, knows and o
On 05/10/2010 12:37 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Sun, May 09, 2010 at 20:34:57 +0300,
> Gilboa Davara wrote:
>
>> Thus far, it seemed that the both the user and the developer communities
>> were left out of these proceedings, and everything was more-or-less
>> decided by FESCO, which left
On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Sun, May 09, 2010 at 20:34:57 +0300,
> Gilboa Davara wrote:
>> Thus far, it seemed that the both the user and the developer communities
>> were left out of these proceedings, and everything was more-or-less
>> decided by FESCO, which le
Hi,
On ۱۰/۰۵/۰۶ 03:34, Christoph � wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> this is an off topic question, but since I know that some of you are
> familiar with gcc, I am asking it here before signing up somewhere else.
>
> I have to source-compile one language (Modelica) to C++. Since Modelica
> has a structural su
On Sun, May 09, 2010 at 11:09:12 +0100,
Adam Williamson wrote:
>
> I'm tempted to agree in practice with Matej that it is. I don't think we
> can kid ourselves that we're doing a particularly good job of making a
> desktop for end users; if we were, we wouldn't be being trashed by
> Ubuntu in t
On Sun, May 09, 2010 at 20:34:57 +0300,
Gilboa Davara wrote:
> Thus far, it seemed that the both the user and the developer communities
> were left out of these proceedings, and everything was more-or-less
> decided by FESCO, which left (large?) parts of the developer community
> feeling left ou
On Sun, 2010-05-09 at 20:13 +0200, Alexander Boström wrote:
> sön 2010-05-09 klockan 11:22 +0430 skrev Hedayat Vatankhah:
>
> > No, the problem is this: PackageKit does not know how to mount a
> > removable media.
>
> Why do you even need to mount it? Removable media is of course
> automatically
On ۱۰/۰۵/۰۹ 10:43, Alexander � wrote:
> sön 2010-05-09 klockan 11:22 +0430 skrev Hedayat Vatankhah:
>
>
>> No, the problem is this: PackageKit does not know how to mount a
>> removable media.
>>
> Why do you even need to mount it? Removable media is of course
> automatically mounted wh
On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Chen Lei wrote:
>> swami-0:0.9.4-6.fc12.x86_64
This is the *only* soundfont editor there is in Linux, which is enough
reason to keep gtk+.
Upstream did not do any updates recently, but that doesn't mean that
the software is not functional.
Orcan
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/*Seth Vidal */ wrote on 05/06/2010 11:47:39
PM +0450:
On Thu, 6 May 2010, Hedayat Vatnakhah wrote:
Hi,
Warren Togami wrote on پنجشنبه ۰۶ مه ۱۰،
۰۲:۱۰:۴۸:On ۱۰/۰۵/۰۶ 02:10, Warren Togami
wrote:
(10/12): samba-3.5.2-60.fc13.x86_64.rpm (71%) 73%
[==
sön 2010-05-09 klockan 18:54 +0200 skrev Kevin Kofler:
> Many of them
> have updates anyway.
Use delta-RPMs (combining not the installed old version but the old
version on the DVD with the downloaded drpm).
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On Sun, 2010-05-09 at 14:04 -0400, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> I'm a bit unclear on the original problem report, actually. In
> addition to
> what you've said, the report also says that the user had to logout and
> log
> back in before it worked. That seems like a different symptom. 30
> seconds
>
sön 2010-05-09 klockan 11:22 +0430 skrev Hedayat Vatankhah:
> No, the problem is this: PackageKit does not know how to mount a
> removable media.
Why do you even need to mount it? Removable media is of course
automatically mounted when you insert it (if someone is logged in on the
console).
/Ale
/*Kevin Kofler */ wrote on 05/09/2010 9:24:04 PM
+0450:
Frank Murphy wrote:
That *should not* be default for most users,
as it will end up breaking quite a lot,
if used with other repos. (updates,updates-tesing, 3rd party)
as %requires may have changed quite a bit since DVD was released.
On Sun, May 09, 2010 at 11:56:27AM -0400, Colin Walters wrote:
> On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
>
> > I see that we're calling killall -TERM instead of killall -HUP in the patch.
> > That seems non-optimal (since it means we'll keep shutting down the gconfd
> > server inst
On 05/09/2010 01:45 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> lets go over a couple of things to help lower the grumpiness of others.
A good summary which shows care and thoughtfulness - please add also
the question:
4) For servers (distinct from the desktop use case) - which would be
the better c
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 7:35 AM, Miroslav Lichvar wrote:
> With the latest improvements in the chrony package related to
> NetworkManager and name resolving I think it is now good enough to
> replace ntpd in the default configuration and the configurations
> supported by system-config-date.
Hi Mir
On Sun, 2010-05-09 at 11:09 +0100, Adam Williamson wrote:
> I'm tempted to agree in practice with Matej that it is. I don't think we
> can kid ourselves that we're doing a particularly good job of making a
> desktop for end users; if we were, we wouldn't be being trashed by
> Ubuntu in this area (
Mail Lists wrote:
>The prime motivation of this project is a use case of intermittent
> internet connections of 5 mins a day.
>
> I seriously doubt that is the common use case for majority of fedora
> users.
I think intermittent Internet connections are actually extremely common.
Think lap
Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
> I think it would be better to drop ntp support completely from s-c-d once
> chrony becomes default in Fedora. We aim to support default Fedora
> configuration tools. Radek Novacek is now working on date/time DBus
> interface under FMCI umbrella.
Speaking of configuration t
Frank Murphy wrote:
> That *should not* be default for most users,
> as it will end up breaking quite a lot,
> if used with other repos. (updates,updates-tesing, 3rd party)
>
> as %requires may have changed quite a bit since DVD was released.
That shouldn't be a problem as long as updates is enab
06.05.2010 01:40, Warren Togami ?:
(10/12): samba-3.5.2-60.fc13.x86_64.rpm (71%) 73%
[- ] 0.0 B/s | 3.7 MB
3340883129410265958989882401668816722716705737932:48 ETA
Anyone else seeing this kind of behavior with F-13 yum within kvm or
vmware gues
On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> I see that we're calling killall -TERM instead of killall -HUP in the patch.
> That seems non-optimal (since it means we'll keep shutting down the gconfd
> server instead of letting it use it's 30second timeout)
That's definitely suboptima
On 05/09/2010 06:09 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> I'm tempted to agree in practice with Matej that it is. I don't think we
> can kid ourselves that we're doing a particularly good job of making a
> desktop for end users; if we were, we wouldn't be being trashed by
> Ubuntu in this area (let alone O
2010/5/9 Andrea Musuruane
> On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Matěj Cepl wrote:
> > Dne 9.5.2010 06:53, Chen Lei napsal(a):
> >> For them, we can simply:
> >> 1. Simply orphan those application from repos which have dead upstream
> >> for a long time. Normally, those allipcations have better alter
On Sun, 2010-05-09 at 12:16 +0100, Camilo Mesias wrote:
> Personally I think Fedora is good at what it does, and although it
> causes me some frustration that Fedora isn't better at wooing mass
> market users, I wouldn't want to make radical changes to structures
> and processes to chase some goal
2010/5/9 Andrea Musuruane
>
> On F-12/x86_64:
>
> $ repoquery --whatrequires --alldeps gtk+ |grep x86_64|sort
> bubblemon-0:1.46-10.fc12.x86_64
> crossfire-client-0:1.11.0-3.fc12.x86_64
> dillo-0:0.8.6-11.fc12.x86_64
> gcombust-1:0.1.55-16.x86_64
> gcx-0:0.9.11-9.fc12.x86_64
> gdk-pixbuf-1:0.22.0
On 05/09/2010 03:17 PM, Chen Lei wrote:
>
>
> 2010/5/9 Andrea Musuruane mailto:musur...@gmail.com>>
>
> On F-12/x86_64:
>
> $ repoquery --whatrequires --alldeps gtk+ |grep x86_64|sort
> bubblemon-0:1.46-10.fc12.x86_64
> crossfire-client-0:1.11.0-3.fc12.x86_64
> dillo-0:0.8.6-11.
2010/5/9 Andrea Musuruane
> On F-12/x86_64:
>
> $ repoquery --whatrequires --alldeps gtk+ |grep x86_64|sort
> bubblemon-0:1.46-10.fc12.x86_64
> crossfire-client-0:1.11.0-3.fc12.x86_64
> dillo-0:0.8.6-11.fc12.x86_64
> gcombust-1:0.1.55-16.x86_64
> gcx-0:0.9.11-9.fc12.x86_64
> gdk-pixbuf-1:0.22.0-3
On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Matěj Cepl wrote:
> Dne 9.5.2010 06:53, Chen Lei napsal(a):
>> For them, we can simply:
>> 1. Simply orphan those application from repos which have dead upstream
>> for a long time. Normally, those allipcations have better alternatives
>> using GTK+ 2.x, we don't ne
Hello
I have just (mostly) completed a package for review. The package is part of
the "OpenProofs" project and is called Frama-C. It is for the mathematical
proof of subroutines and programs. The website for the project is
www.openproofs.org and the link to the bug report is
https://bugzilla.re
Dne 9.5.2010 06:53, Chen Lei napsal(a):
> For them, we can simply:
> 1. Simply orphan those application from repos which have dead upstream
> for a long time. Normally, those allipcations have better alternatives
> using GTK+ 2.x, we don't need worry about this.
> 2.Update applications to GTK 2.x p
Dne 9.5.2010 12:09, Adam Williamson napsal(a):
> Making any change is much harder than it should be; we always end up
> in endless discussions without any outcome while others like Ubuntu
> seems to have a better decision making process; and seriously I think
> this is the one which basically block
On 09/05/10 13:34, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote:
>--snip--
>>
>> Frank
>>
> Well, sorry but you simply don't get it! Give a Fedora DVD to a new
> Linux user and tell him to install it on his own system.
Then ask him to
> install Eclipse from DVD since he will most probably NOT opt to
> customize his pac
/*Frank Murphy */ wrote on 05/09/2010 4:20:15 PM +0450:
On 09/05/10 12:34, Björn Persson wrote:
Frank Murphy wrote:
That *should not* be default for most users,
as it will end up breaking quite a lot,
if used with other repos. (updates,updates-tesing, 3rd party)
If using th
Compose started at Sun May 9 08:15:17 UTC 2010
Broken deps for i386
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almanah-0.7.2-1.fc13.i686 requires libedataserver-1.2.so.11
almanah-0.7.2-1.fc13.i686 requires libedataserverui-1.2.so.8
anjal-0.3.2-2.fc14.i686 r
On 09/05/10 12:34, Björn Persson wrote:
> Frank Murphy wrote:
>> That *should not* be default for most users,
>> as it will end up breaking quite a lot,
>> if used with other repos. (updates,updates-tesing, 3rd party)
>
> If using the DVD together with the updates repository would break quite a lot
Frank Murphy wrote:
> That *should not* be default for most users,
> as it will end up breaking quite a lot,
> if used with other repos. (updates,updates-tesing, 3rd party)
If using the DVD together with the updates repository would break quite a lot,
then how can we all be using the stable and u
Personally I think Fedora is good at what it does, and although it
causes me some frustration that Fedora isn't better at wooing mass
market users, I wouldn't want to make radical changes to structures
and processes to chase some goals.
There would be much easier and more painless ways to woo thes
On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-05-07 at 19:40 -0700, John Poelstra wrote:
>> Matěj Cepl said the following on 05/07/2010 04:41 PM Pacific Time:
>> > More and more I was writing this email, more and more I tend to agree
>> > with somebody today, who wrote tha
On Fri, 2010-05-07 at 19:40 -0700, John Poelstra wrote:
> Matěj Cepl said the following on 05/07/2010 04:41 PM Pacific Time:
> > More and more I was writing this email, more and more I tend to agree
> > with somebody today, who wrote that they key problem of the Fedora
> > community is unclear visi
On 09/05/10 10:28, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote:
--snip--
>> eg: baseurl=file:"/media/Fedora 12 i386 DVD"
>> enabled=1
>> gpgcheck=true
>>
>> Why fix a bug that doesn't need to be fixed.
>>
>> Above method works for me.
> Personally I do know how to use DVD as a repository, but that's not
> suitable for
On ۱۰/۰۵/۰۹ 11:43, Ankur Sinha wrote:
> On Sun, 2010-05-09 at 11:22 +0430, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote:
>
>> Frank Murphy wrote on 05/08/2010 10:51:42 PM
>> +0450:
>>
>>> On 08/05/10 19:15, Hedayat Vatnakhah wrote:
>>>
>>>
Please have a look at the last comments of the bug. M
On ۱۰/۰۵/۰۹ 11:41, Frank Murphy wrote:
> On 09/05/10 07:52, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote:
> --snip--
>>>
>> No, the problem is this: PackageKit does not know how to mount a
>> removable media.
>
> It doesn't need to.
>
> --snip--
>
> Mount DVD as normal.
> your dvd.repo : baseurl:file://path/to/dvd/(
On 09/05/10 07:52, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote:
--snip--
No, the problem is this: PackageKit does not know how to mount a
removable media.
It doesn't need to.
--snip--
Mount DVD as normal.
your dvd.repo : baseurl:file://path/to/dvd/(repodata)
eg: baseurl=file:"/media/Fedora 12 i386 DVD"
enable
On Sun, 2010-05-09 at 11:22 +0430, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote:
>
> Frank Murphy wrote on 05/08/2010 10:51:42 PM
> +0450:
> > On 08/05/10 19:15, Hedayat Vatnakhah wrote:
> >
> > > Please have a look at the last comments of the bug. Most of the
> > > implementation is done, the only missing part is
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