Re: [dev] "Making Apps That Don't Suck" by Mike Lee

2011-06-07 Thread ilf
On 06-07 06:48, garbeam wrote: http://dl.garbe.us/The_suckless_org_universe.pdf Thanks. What does this number say? "Approx. 5000 users world wide" Is that the number of IPs of downloads? -- ilf Über 80 Millionen Deutsche benutzen keine Konsole. Klick dich nicht weg! -- Eine

Re: [dev] "Making Apps That Don't Suck" by Mike Lee

2011-06-07 Thread Džen
Thanks a lot for sharing your slides, liked them a lot. Good work. High SLOC + Wrong lang + more harmful stuff = YOU SUCK Now that's epic. On 07/06/11 06:48am, garbeam wrote: > Sorry for the delay, here is the link to the slides: > > http://dl.garbe.us/The_suckless_org_universe.pdf > > Cheers,

Re: [dev] Best way to serialize data

2011-06-07 Thread Džen
On 07/06/11 03:24am, hiro wrote: > Interesting, you seem to be on the right track. ... right track to what? Utter havoc?

Re: [dev] Suckless Smartphone?

2011-06-07 Thread Piotr Zalewa
On 06/06/11 18:35, Andrew Hills wrote: On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Jacob Todd wrote: Only in phone? That doesn't make any sense. My kindle's screen is infinitely better for reading than a lcd/crt screen. I'll second that. If I had to read on my phone, I wouldn't read. --Andrew Hills I d

Re: [dev] Suckless Smartphone?

2011-06-07 Thread Kai Hendry
On 6 June 2011 15:44, Kai Hendry wrote: > The Iphone4 sucks less. Yes you need to tether it initially to Itunes > (colleague's) and have an Apple ID. However I was surprised that ifuse Oh you don't have to tether it to Itunes anymore. http://www.apple.com/ios/ios5/features.html

Re: [dev] Suckless Smartphone?

2011-06-07 Thread Pierre Chapuis
On Mon, 6 Jun 2011 18:16:22 +0100, garbeam wrote: On 6 June 2011 17:45, Dieter Plaetinck wrote: non-electronic books suck because you can't easily search in, or copypaste from them. Let's talk again in 40 years if you can still read your ebooks by then :) I stay loyal to real books. I'd b

Re: [dev] Suckless Smartphone?

2011-06-07 Thread Mate Nagy
> I'd be surprised if you couldn't read epub books in 40 years. It's > hard to > kill an open text-based format. I'd be surprised if you could read epub books in 40 years (without electricity) ((or food)) regards, Mate

Re: [dev] Best way to serialize data

2011-06-07 Thread hiro
You'll have to admit it sounds complicated at least :) On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 10:18, Džen wrote: > On 07/06/11 03:24am, hiro wrote: >> Interesting, you seem to be on the right track. > > ... right track to what? Utter havoc? > > >

Re: [dev] Best way to serialize data

2011-06-07 Thread Džen
On 07/06/11 01:14pm, hiro wrote: > You'll have to admit it sounds complicated at least :) Right, true on that -- just wasn't sure how ironic your comment was meant to be ;) -- Džen

Re: [dev] Suckless Smartphone?

2011-06-07 Thread Guilherme Lino
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 6:34 PM, pancake wrote: > I do, but only in phone, laptop/desktop/ebook screens sucks for reading. > > > yeah me to, i have a cheap huawei g6600 it can show .txt files, so i put there big blog entries and some articles to read when i have nothing to do. its pretty readable

Re: [dev] Suckless Smartphone?

2011-06-07 Thread Nick
On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 12:39:53PM +0100, Guilherme Lino wrote: > never tried it, but i would like to. And i really support the idea because > there more trees falling in a day than growing in a year.. I'm pretty sure if you make a case for ebook readers on environmental grounds you will fail. The

Re: [dev] Suckless Smartphone?

2011-06-07 Thread Guilherme Lino
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 7:25 PM, David Tweed wrote: > On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Guilherme Lino > wrote: > > i would recomend a cheap phone, that make calls and sends smSs.. > > > > whene you dont have your pc, read a book.. i think thats the most > suckless > > way > > A "smart phone" makes

Re: [dev] Suckless Smartphone?

2011-06-07 Thread David Tweed
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Guilherme Lino wrote: > > > On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 7:25 PM, David Tweed wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Guilherme Lino >> wrote: >> > i would recomend a cheap phone, that make calls and sends smSs.. >> > >> > whene you dont have your pc, read a book.

Re: [dev] run a program and display on a specific tab

2011-06-07 Thread Andrew Hills
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 9:26 PM, hiro <23h...@googlemail.com> wrote: >> The problem has become insoluble. Even locating all possible >> solutions is NP-hard. > > I don't get it. He's saying wmii (and the process of configuring it) is complicated beyond reasonable. --Andrew Hills

Re: [dev] Suckless Smartphone?

2011-06-07 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 12:45:10 +0100 Nick wrote: > On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 12:39:53PM +0100, Guilherme Lino wrote: > > never tried it, but i would like to. And i really support the idea because > > there more trees falling in a day than growing in a year.. > > I'm pretty sure if you make a case for

Re: [dev] run a program and display on a specific tab

2011-06-07 Thread hiro
Ok, this makes sense On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 15:14, Andrew Hills wrote: > > He's saying wmii (and the process of configuring it) is complicated > beyond reasonable. >

Re: [dev] Suckless Smartphone?

2011-06-07 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 12:45:24 +0100 Guilherme Lino wrote: > you could try a cheap phone and a cheap tablet > and personally a person that spends more than a hour a on facebook doing > "stuff"(talk to friends doesn't count) must have some kind of problem The best communication setup I ever had was

Re: [dev] Suckless Smartphone?

2011-06-07 Thread hiro
I also love these high resolution screens, but even as young as my eyes are reading a book creates less fatigue for me.

Re: [dev] Suckless Smartphone?

2011-06-07 Thread Lorenzo Bolla
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: > On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 12:45:10 +0100 > Nick wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 12:39:53PM +0100, Guilherme Lino wrote: > > > never tried it, but i would like to. And i really support the idea > because > > > there more trees falling in a

Re: [dev] Suckless Smartphone?

2011-06-07 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 13:31:58 +0100 David Tweed wrote: > The point is that a cheap phone and cheap tablet DOESN'T fit what I > need to do at the moment. I don't need a big screen at the moment just > a temporary 3G data plan (so taht that I can access info and services > in the middle of nowhere) w

[dev] ideas on suckless file manager

2011-06-07 Thread Le Tian
Continuing these threads about suckless "anything" I've been looking quite a long time for fast and lightweight file manager for dwm. There are occasions, when u need to see or show some lovely icons. MC and derivatives are the last resort here. I liked pcmanfm, but it just lacks functionality. Rox

Re: [dev] ideas on suckless file manager

2011-06-07 Thread Dieter Plaetinck
On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 10:53:03 -0400 Le Tian wrote: > Continuing these threads about suckless "anything" > I've been looking quite a long time for fast and lightweight file > manager for dwm. There are occasions, when u need to see or show some > lovely icons. MC and derivatives are the last resort

Re: [dev] ideas on suckless file manager

2011-06-07 Thread Jakub Lach
> Xfe, I'm waiting for suckless BonziBUDDY.

Re: [dev] ideas on suckless file manager

2011-06-07 Thread pancake
I've never felt the need of seeing files as icons. It's just inneficient and useless. Many years ago i wrote 'canoe' a lightweight filemanager in gtk. I did it for the n770.. So clicking on icons is better than Using the shitty onscreen keyboard that n770 had It has some segfaults, and support

Re: [dev] ideas on suckless file manager

2011-06-07 Thread Rob
On 7 June 2011 15:53, Le Tian wrote: > Continuing these threads about suckless "anything" > I've been looking quite a long time for fast and lightweight file manager > for dwm. There are occasions, when u need to see or show some lovely icons. > MC and derivatives are the last resort here. I liked

Re: [dev] ideas on suckless file manager

2011-06-07 Thread Le Tian
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 11:12 AM, pancake wrote: > I've never felt the need of seeing files as icons. It's just inneficient > and useless. > > Many years ago i wrote 'canoe' a lightweight filemanager in gtk. I did it > for the n770.. So clicking on icons is better than Using the shitty onscreen >

Re: [dev] Suckless Smartphone?

2011-06-07 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On 6/7/11, Lorenzo Bolla wrote: > What I'll never get about eBooks is that they can store ~3000 books and > surely more in the future. > 3000 books / (1 book/week) = 57 years. > Most of us will already be dead by then... or the eReader itself will be... > I /might/ live more than 73 years (especia

Re: [dev] PATCH for/back navigation with xprop

2011-06-07 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On 6/6/11, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: > most understandable! Seriously though, adding a single extra string match > isn't going to make much difference, nothing like whatever Gtk+ 2 does. I > wouldn't be surprised if the entire window-matching list of a large FVWM > config fit in 1 page of virtual

Re: [dev] ideas on suckless file manager

2011-06-07 Thread Connor Lane Smith
Hey, On 7 June 2011 15:53, Le Tian wrote: > There are occasions, when u need to see or show some lovely icons. With the exception of image thumbnails, icons are really completely pointless. On 7 June 2011 16:17, Le Tian wrote: > like a girlfriend, she needs icons and stuff Yeah, it's well-kno

Re: [dev] ideas on suckless file manager

2011-06-07 Thread Le Tian
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Connor Lane Smith wrote: > Hey, > > On 7 June 2011 15:53, Le Tian wrote: > > There are occasions, when u need to see or show some lovely icons. > > With the exception of image thumbnails, icons are really completely > pointless. > > On 7 June 2011 16:17, Le Tian

Re: [dev] ideas on suckless file manager

2011-06-07 Thread pancake
If you need thumbs use an image viewer. Gqview works quite well for this. For other file formats i dont see any reason to use thumbnails. Maybe to easily see the mimetype or file extension more graphically.. Buy if you can sort or glob files like canoe does its much more efficient than having t

Re: [dev] ideas on suckless file manager

2011-06-07 Thread pancake
Another filemanager is vim. But i dont really use it. Shell is superior in all aspects. On 07/06/2011, at 17:17, Le Tian wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 11:12 AM, pancake wrote: > I've never felt the need of seeing files as icons. It's just inneficient and > useless. > > Many years ago

Re: [dev] ideas on suckless file manager

2011-06-07 Thread v4hn
On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 11:17:32AM -0400, Le Tian wrote: > Yes, icons are not efficient, but there are cases, when not only you will > use the pc, like a girlfriend, she needs icons and stuff). I think it's a > bad habit of a windows user, to see everything in rows of thumbs. But still > like click

Re: [dev] ideas on suckless file manager

2011-06-07 Thread pancake
What's phycology? Oh, well.. Wikipedia informs: "the scientific studies of algae" On 07/06/2011, at 17:32, Le Tian wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Connor Lane Smith wrote: > Hey, > > On 7 June 2011 15:53, Le Tian wrote: > > There are occasions, when u need to see or show some

Re: [dev] ideas on suckless file manager

2011-06-07 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On 6/7/11, pancake wrote: > What's phycology? > > Oh, well.. Wikipedia informs: "the scientific studies of algae" > No.

Re: [dev] ideas on suckless file manager

2011-06-07 Thread Jakub Lach
pancake wrote: > What's phycology? > Oh, well.. Wikipedia informs: "the scientific studies of algae" Hey! Just because they can't use terminal does not mean they're algae. That could be somebody's mother you know.

Re: [dev] ideas on suckless file manager

2011-06-07 Thread Le Tian
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Jakub Lach wrote: > pancake wrote: > > > What's phycology? > > Oh, well.. Wikipedia informs: "the scientific studies of algae" > > Hey! Just because they can't use terminal does not mean > they're algae. That could be somebody's mother you > know. > > lol, but an

Re: [dev] ideas on suckless file manager

2011-06-07 Thread Benjamin R. Haskell
On Tue, 7 Jun 2011, Le Tian wrote: On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Connor Lane Smith wrote: [...] (I find inverting the colours actually helps to a worrying degree.) Interesting... Yeah, "I find inverting the colours actually helps to a worrying degree." I think this should be a default

Re: [dev] PATCH for/back navigation with xprop

2011-06-07 Thread Gregor Best
On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 03:25:53PM +, Bjartur Thorlacius wrote: > [...] > I wasn't thinking of a single string match, but a string match for > about every application that maps a window. > [...] I don't know what kind of system you run, but on my machine, the frequency with which new windows g

Re: [dev] ideas on suckless file manager

2011-06-07 Thread Le Tian
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Benjamin R. Haskell wrote: > On Tue, 7 Jun 2011, Le Tian wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Connor Lane Smith wrote: >> >> [...] (I find inverting the colours actually helps to a worrying degree.) >>> >>> >>> Interesting... Yeah, "I find inverting the c

Re: [dev] ideas on suckless file manager

2011-06-07 Thread Connor Lane Smith
On 7 June 2011 17:01, Le Tian wrote: > > And the dark background is less scary?  I'd have expected the opposite > > I thought he meant light background and dark font. Indeed. This is how it is in Plan 9 and OS X, too. I used dark-on-light for a while, actually, and it just didn't feel right. Mayb

Re: [dev] ideas on suckless file manager

2011-06-07 Thread pancake
White background terminals harm my eyes. I cant think on anybody spending lot of time on a white background terminal. Its anti natural. As a funny note. All non-advanced users tell me that this black terminal have aome text they cant delete. (the prompt) Looks like the plan9 terminal will be m

Re: [dev] ideas on suckless file manager

2011-06-07 Thread Andreas Wagner
I like dmenfm (dmenu based file manager): https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=2&p=1 On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Le Tian wrote: > Continuing these threads about suckless "anything" > I've been looking quite a long time for fast and lightweight file manager > for dwm. There are occ

Re: [dev] ideas on suckless file manager

2011-06-07 Thread Hootiegibbon
On 7 Jun 2011 18:45, "Andreas Wagner" wrote: I like dmenfm (dmenu based file manager): https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=2&p=1 On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Le Tian wrote: > Continuing these threads abo...

Re: [dev] ideas on suckless file manager

2011-06-07 Thread Hootiegibbon
Ok the last mail to the list,is proof that all smartphones suck... What are the thoughts on 'pilot ' alpones file manager (its available as a standalone app iirc) Jase On 7 Jun 2011 20:29, "Hootiegibbon" wrote: > On 7 Jun 2011 18:45, "Andreas Wagner" wrote: > > I like dmenfm (dmenu b... > >

Re: [dev] "Making Apps That Don't Suck" by Mike Lee

2011-06-07 Thread Swiatoslaw Gal
-- From garbeam 07-06-2011 at 06:48 -- > Sorry for the delay, here is the link to the slides: > > http://dl.garbe.us/The_suckless_org_universe.pdf Great but... why Arial?! s.

Re: [dev] "Making Apps That Don't Suck" by Mike Lee

2011-06-07 Thread Andrew Hills
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 5:32 PM, Swiatoslaw Gal wrote: > Great but... why Arial?! I agree--Comic Sans would have looked more professional and have been easier on the eyes. --Andrew Hills

Re: [dev] "Making Apps That Don't Suck" by Mike Lee

2011-06-07 Thread Suraj N. Kurapati
On Tue 07 Jun 2011 06:48:49 AM PDT, garbeam wrote: > http://dl.garbe.us/The_suckless_org_universe.pdf Haha. The picture on the last slide... is it the Suckless Community Van which is sent to pick up certain people in front of their homes? :-) -- Even the best of friends cannot attend each other

Re: [dev] "Making Apps That Don't Suck" by Mike Lee

2011-06-07 Thread Jakub Lach
Dnia 8 czerwca 2011 0:31 "Suraj N. Kurapati" napisał(a): > Haha. The picture on the last slide... is it the Suckless Community > Van which is sent to pick up certain people in front of their homes? No, it obviously belongs to certain crack commando sent to prison by a military court for a crime

Re: [dev] ideas on suckless file manager

2011-06-07 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 16:13:28 +0100 Rob wrote: > I like rox, I used to use thunar but it stopped loading thumbnails, > which is the only reason I use a file manager, so I switched. IMO, rox > without all the desktop-panel extras is good enough. When not looking at > thumbnails though, coreutils do

Re: [dev] "Making Apps That Don't Suck" by Mike Lee

2011-06-07 Thread Suraj N. Kurapati
On Wed 08 Jun 2011 12:52:47 AM PDT, Jakub Lach wrote: > Dnia 8 czerwca 2011 0:31 "Suraj N. Kurapati" napisał(a): >> The picture on the last slide... is it the Suckless Community >> Van sent to pick up certain people in front of their homes? > > No, it obviously belongs to certain crack commando sen

Re: [dev] ideas on suckless file manager

2011-06-07 Thread Noah Birnel
On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 04:25:40PM +0100, Connor Lane Smith wrote: > With the exception of image thumbnails, icons are really completely pointless. > +1 > My thoughts on a suckless file manager, though my file manager is 'ls': > > Orthodox: two paned, plus command line. At compile time you just

Re: [dev] ideas on suckless file manager

2011-06-07 Thread Patrick Haller
On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 09:03:06PM -0700, Noah Birnel wrote: > ls >listing && vim listing && mv `cat listing` dest define $EDITOR then ^x^e Patrick

Re: [dev] ideas on suckless file manager

2011-06-07 Thread Petr Sabata
On Wed, Jun 08, 2011 at 12:57:40PM +0800, Patrick Haller wrote: > On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 09:03:06PM -0700, Noah Birnel wrote: > > ls >listing && vim listing && mv `cat listing` dest > > define $EDITOR then ^x^e I guess this is just something bash-specific? -- # Petr Sabata pgpfZqzUqtb6n.

Re: [dev] ideas on suckless file manager

2011-06-07 Thread Petr Sabata
On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 05:34:00PM +0200, pancake wrote: > If you need thumbs use an image viewer. Gqview works quite well for this. > sxiv is my image viewer of choice, currently... http://github.com/muennich/sxiv -- # Petr Sabata pgpmcotAqOQJu.pgp Description: PGP signature