Re: [dev] [st] goals / non-goals for st?

2009-10-30 Thread Jordi Marine
you are a compulsive replier, you haven't time to use a computer On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 3:24 AM, Uriel wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 11:01 PM, frederic wrote: > Example: > http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/img/collection/why-transparency-is-evil.jpg > > > > > So sugar is evi

Re: [dev] [st] goals / non-goals for st?

2009-10-30 Thread poz
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Jordi Marine wrote: > you are a compulsive replier, you haven't time to use a computer Very well-known dicease: http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png -- « I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I wat

Re: [dev] [dwm] patch - nametag

2009-10-30 Thread Thomas Dahms
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 12:11:55 -0700 Evan Gates wrote: > This patch allows you to change the names of dwm's tags while it's > running. I find it's useful to change one of my 'misc' tags to a more > descriptive name if I find myself working on something specific for a > few hours. I like this. It

Re: [dev] [st] goals / non-goals for st?

2009-10-30 Thread frederic
This thread is about the features st should implement and transparency surely is a thing that shouldn't be implemented by st, so we should probably abandon this topic. I totally agree that transparency shouldn't be part of the features of st, althought I do use transparent. I thought that

[dev] [surf] surf-0.3 released

2009-10-30 Thread Enno Boland (Gottox)
surf-0.3 is out. There are still some bugs left, but I think it's time to roll out a new release because there changed a plenty of things: - changed cookiefile to cookies.txt - removed urlbar and searchbar using XProps instead - downloads are working - zooms website out, if the window is small enou

[dev] [tabbed] tabbed-0.2

2009-10-30 Thread Enno Boland (Gottox)
A new tabbed release is out: - fixing move() arguments in config.def.h - close tabs with middle mousebutton - cycle tabs with mousewheel - some speedup when resizing a window with many tabs - solving focus problems with surf - works now with xterm too - solving problems with windowmanagers which un

Re: [dev] [st] goals / non-goals for st?

2009-10-30 Thread frederic
Do yourself a favour: stop calling others idiots. No. Great, yet another Uriel.

Re: [dev] [st] goals / non-goals for st?

2009-10-30 Thread hiro
And yet another idiot. Have fun... On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 2:28 PM, frederic wrote: >>> Do yourself a favour: stop calling others idiots. >> >> No. >> > > Great, yet another Uriel. > >

Re: [dev] [st] goals / non-goals for st?

2009-10-30 Thread Aled Gest
It would be nice to see a features thread that didn't degenerate into a competition of who's the biggest cock. While I can understand why transparency is a bad idea, people have the freedom to want whatever they want. If the maintainers of the software don't want a particular feature in vanilla, a

Re: [dev] [st] goals / non-goals for st?

2009-10-30 Thread Robert C Corsaro
Take your hippy shit somewhere else. Retarded ideas will be met with hostility here. Aled Gest wrote: It would be nice to see a features thread that didn't degenerate into a competition of who's the biggest cock. While I can understand why transparency is a bad idea, people have the freedom t

Re: [dev] [st] goals / non-goals for st?

2009-10-30 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Aled Gest wrote: > People shouldn't be berated for simply discussing a feature. People who support dumb things run the risk of mockery. I'd rather get burned for suggesting something stupid than have this list turn into a politically-correct hugbox support forum

Re: [dev] [st] goals / non-goals for st?

2009-10-30 Thread Aled Gest
> People who support dumb things run the risk of mockery.  I'd rather > get burned for suggesting something stupid than have this list turn > into a politically-correct hugbox support forum for the criminally > inept.  If you don't like it, go hang out on another mailing list. Well if you really w

Re: [dev] [st] goals / non-goals for st?

2009-10-30 Thread Moritz Wilhelmy
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 04:01:43PM -0500, Kurt H Maier wrote: > You want your terminal emulator to replace xmessage? Really? xmessage can read from pipes? I like the idea of adding this feature to st... but maybe it should be done by adding a patch to st. Best Regards Moritz

Re: [dev] [st] goals / non-goals for st?

2009-10-30 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Aled Gest wrote: > Well if you really want me to make a point about how people who are > needlessly belligerent on inappropriate threads are evidently > incompetent at life, that's fine. I could have a field day nitpicking > the psychology of people who overcompens

Re: [dev] [st] goals / non-goals for st?

2009-10-30 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Moritz Wilhelmy wrote: > xmessage can read from pipes? Yes. -- # Kurt H Maier

Re: [dev] [st] goals / non-goals for st?

2009-10-30 Thread Aled Gest
> I'm sure you could have a ton of field days, describing for hours all > kinds of irrelevant crap.  Maybe you can read a book about adapting to > different standards within different social groups instead of > lecturing to people who don't care.  It's a mailing list.  Calling > people stupid is no

Re: [dev] [st] goals / non-goals for st?

2009-10-30 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Aled Gest wrote: > In terms of doing so without consuming a PTY or spawning a child > process, none that I know of. > > Are you suggesting that we shouldn't develop new software because no > existing software does what we want? I've seen no strict definition > spec

Re: [dev] [st] goals / non-goals for st?

2009-10-30 Thread Nicolai Waniek
Moritz Wilhelmy wrote: On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 04:01:43PM -0500, Kurt H Maier wrote: xmessage can read from pipes? make xmessage read from stdin with the "-file -" option, e.g. echo "mmh" | xmessage -file - regards, Nicolai

Re: [dev] [st] goals / non-goals for st?

2009-10-30 Thread Aled Gest
> I'm suggesting that if you want two clearly distinct jobs done, and > they share a lot of similar code, you extract the duplicate code into > a library and then write two applications against that library. No you weren't. > In this case, we should wind up with st, which consumes PTYs and emulat

Re: [dev] [st] goals / non-goals for st?

2009-10-30 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Aled Gest wrote: > No you weren't. My clarification of my position was exactly as connected to previous statements as your accusation of the garbage you were spouting about no new functionality or whatever. Incidentally, this thread now stands as a counterexample

Re: [dev] [st] goals / non-goals for st?

2009-10-30 Thread Moritz Wilhelmy
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 06:13:11PM -0500, Kurt H Maier wrote: > More importantly, it allows the attachment of st frontends other than > xlib-based ones to the controlling process, meaning that there can be > directfb or console-based frontends, among other things. Sounds like st will be a great pr

Re: [dev] [st] goals / non-goals for st?

2009-10-30 Thread Aled Gest
> My clarification of my position was exactly as connected to previous > statements as your accusation of the garbage you were spouting about > no new functionality or whatever.  Incidentally, this thread now > stands as a counterexample to your hypothesis regarding the inability > of petty argumen

Re: [dev] [st] goals / non-goals for st?

2009-10-30 Thread Nils
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 08:42:19PM +, Aled Gest wrote: > It would be nice to see a features thread that didn't degenerate into > a competition of who's the biggest cock. Thank you for this post. If I look at the rest of this discussion it really makes me wonder why I'm still subscribed to thi

Re: [dev] [st] goals / non-goals for st?

2009-10-30 Thread Andrew Antle
On Oct 30, 2009, at 19:51, Nils wrote: On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 08:42:19PM +, Aled Gest wrote: It would be nice to see a features thread that didn't degenerate into a competition of who's the biggest cock. Thank you for this post. If I look at the rest of this discussion it really makes

Re: [dev] [st] goals / non-goals for st?

2009-10-30 Thread Uriel
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:01 PM, Kurt H Maier wrote: >> A feature I wouldn't mind seeing in st would be the ability to spawn >> st as a direct endpoint to a pipe (not sure if that's already >> possible?). This would allow st to be used as a quick popup to display >> information, or as part of a m

Re: [dev] [st] goals / non-goals for st?

2009-10-30 Thread Uriel
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Aled Gest wrote: >> People who support dumb things run the risk of mockery.  I'd rather >> get burned for suggesting something stupid than have this list turn >> into a politically-correct hugbox support forum for the criminally >> inept.  If you don't like it, go

Re: [dev] [st] goals / non-goals for st?

2009-10-30 Thread Uriel
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Kurt H Maier wrote: > On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Aled Gest wrote: >> Well if you really want me to make a point about how people who are >> needlessly belligerent on inappropriate threads are evidently >> incompetent at life, that's fine. I could have a fie

Re: [dev] [st] goals / non-goals for st?

2009-10-30 Thread Uriel
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 11:34 PM, Aled Gest wrote: >> I'm sure you could have a ton of field days, describing for hours all >> kinds of irrelevant crap.  Maybe you can read a book about adapting to >> different standards within different social groups instead of >> lecturing to people who don't ca

Re: [dev] [st] goals / non-goals for st?

2009-10-30 Thread Uriel
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 12:51 AM, Nils wrote: > On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 08:42:19PM +, Aled Gest wrote: >> It would be nice to see a features thread that didn't degenerate into >> a competition of who's the biggest cock. > > Thank you for this post. > > If I look at the rest of this discussion

Re: [dev] [st] goals / non-goals for st?

2009-10-30 Thread Nils
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 09:06:29PM -0400, Andrew Antle wrote: > Because it's hilarious! Especially when Lamb Sandwich starts whining. It's nothing but arrogant, unfriendly and wannabe-elitist to talk like this on a public mailing list. And I'm not even going to respond to Uriels mails.

Re: [dev] [st] goals / non-goals for st?

2009-10-30 Thread Jessta
On 31/10/2009, Nils wrote: > On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 09:06:29PM -0400, Andrew Antle wrote: >> Because it's hilarious! Especially when Lamb Sandwich starts whining. > > It's nothing but arrogant, unfriendly and wannabe-elitist to talk like > this on a public mailing list. But totally hilarious. Mo

Re: [dev] [st] goals / non-goals for st?

2009-10-30 Thread A.J. Gardner
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:10 PM, Jessta wrote: > On 31/10/2009, Nils wrote: >> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 09:06:29PM -0400, Andrew Antle wrote: >>> Because it's hilarious! Especially when Lamb Sandwich starts whining. >> >> It's nothing but arrogant, unfriendly and wannabe-elitist to talk like >> t