Re: [dev] rebooting the web (it was: surf rewrite for WebKit2GTK)

2014-11-03 Thread Daniel Camolês
2014-10-29 2:58 GMT-02:00 Louis Santillan : > Some of the ideas you identified in "rebooting the web" were more > clearly and concisely conveyed in Ian Hickson's Google+ post [0][1]. Sorry if I wasn't clear or concise enough, but there are points of Hickson's post that only apply to a certain vis

[dev] rebooting the web (it was: surf rewrite for WebKit2GTK)

2014-10-28 Thread Daniel Camolês
2014-10-28 22:04 GMT-02:00 M Farkas-Dyck : > VM is an option, tho a less versatile one. We could use capabilities > where available and VM elsewhere. Well, that's already more than twice the complexity before it even started to be written. I researched a bit on VM's and distributed systems, and t

Re: [dev] surf rewrite for WebKit2GTK

2014-10-28 Thread Daniel Camolês
2014-10-28 21:38 GMT-02:00 M Farkas-Dyck : > On 28/10/2014, Daniel Camolês wrote: >> That's interesting, but there is a problem. How do you execute >> untrusted code? Maybe some kind of virtual machine? > > Thus, or in capability mode. Capability mode would require the

Re: [dev] surf rewrite for WebKit2GTK

2014-10-28 Thread Daniel Camolês
2014-10-28 12:01 GMT-02:00 M Farkas-Dyck : > On 25/10/2014, Daniel Camolês wrote: >> But when it comes to application >> distribution. By application distribution I mean, when we want to >> develop and maintain software in a central location and enable several >> use

Re: [dev] surf rewrite for WebKit2GTK

2014-10-25 Thread Daniel Camolês
2014-10-25 19:56 GMT-02:00 Wolfgang Corcoran-Mathe : >Any _popular_ > reboot would have to require people to change very little about > their habits, and to do no hard thinking about the nature of the > Web--if possible, no thinking at all. It doesn't need to be popular at first; it needs to be co

Re: [dev] surf rewrite for WebKit2GTK

2014-10-25 Thread Daniel Camolês
>> Am I alone? Is there any hope out there? > > TL;DR: Imho, there is none. W3c is the total opposite of suckless software. The problem is not with this specific organization. Design by committee is the source of the evil. Everybody wants to put a shiny new feature in there. Also, you never want t

Re: [dev] surf rewrite for WebKit2GTK

2014-10-25 Thread Daniel Camolês
2014-10-25 16:59 GMT-02:00 Kartik Agaram : >> Am I alone? Is there any hope out there? > > I'm working on this problem. I think the solution is white-box testing > from the ground up, so that software encodes not just the rules about > what to do but the specific scenarios that the programmer consi

Re: [dev] surf rewrite for WebKit2GTK

2014-10-25 Thread Daniel Camolês
When the choice you have is between 500k or 2 million lines of code, it hurts to call anything suckless. I think the web needs a serious reboot. It started out as a markup language for presentation-only, and then it was morphed through a convoluted series of additions into an application distributi