Re: [dev] Call for pkgsrc users

2013-04-10 Thread Patrick Haller
On 2013-04-10 13:13, William Giokas wrote: > There are extremely strong technical arguments for using systemd as a > simple, easy to use and easy to configure initialization system. systemd trades simplicity for boot-speed and stack integration. There are always trade-offs. It's just this seems l

Re: [dev] Call for pkgsrc users

2013-04-10 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Calvin Morrison dixit: >What is the problem though? for me initialization should be >ridiculously simple. init should call a simple script, that script >contains the daemons you want to run, or anything else you want to do >during boot, including starting networking, login prompts and stuff. That

Re: [dev] Call for pkgsrc users

2013-04-10 Thread Calvin Morrison
On 10 April 2013 16:45, Alex Pilon wrote: > On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 01:13:51PM -0500, William Giokas wrote: >> […] you can actually disable almost every feature in systemd with >> configure flags. > > * You can't disable DBus. > > Sure, sure, a lot of the rest of the world out there uses DBus. I

Re: [dev] Call for pkgsrc users

2013-04-10 Thread Alex Pilon
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 01:13:51PM -0500, William Giokas wrote: > […] you can actually disable almost every feature in systemd with > configure flags. * You can't disable DBus. Sure, sure, a lot of the rest of the world out there uses DBus. I don't unless I have to. It's not just accommodatin

Re: [dev] Call for pkgsrc users

2013-04-10 Thread Christoph Lohmann
Greetings. On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 20:17:58 +0200 William Giokas <1007...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 07:44:34PM +0200, Christoph Lohmann wrote: > > You can’t easily build Archlinux your way and it’s not modular. You > > are using the rhetoric of the systemd authors, which slowly

Re: [dev] Call for pkgsrc users

2013-04-10 Thread William Giokas
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 07:44:34PM +0200, Christoph Lohmann wrote: > Greetings. > > On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 19:44:34 +0200 William Giokas <1007...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 06:59:18PM +0200, Christoph Lohmann wrote: > > > The »basic core« shouldn’t be using systemd or udev. You ca

Re: [dev] Call for pkgsrc users

2013-04-10 Thread Christoph Lohmann
Greetings. On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 19:44:34 +0200 William Giokas <1007...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 06:59:18PM +0200, Christoph Lohmann wrote: > > The »basic core« shouldn’t be using systemd or udev. You can boot Linux > > into udevtmpfs and no init scripts without systemd and jus

Re: [dev] Call for pkgsrc users

2013-04-10 Thread William Giokas
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 06:59:18PM +0200, Christoph Lohmann wrote: > Greetings. > > On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 18:59:18 +0200 William Giokas <1007...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 06:12:00PM +0200, Christoph Lohmann wrote: > > > Greetings comrades, > > > > > > I have been rediscovering p

Re: [dev] Call for pkgsrc users

2013-04-10 Thread pancake
I 2006 or so i did a linux distro based on pkgsrc based on debian. (named bluewall) I contributed a lot of packages to the repo, but probably for the lack of interest and the lack of contributors i stopped contributing to it. after moving to archlinux for a while, now i'm a happy void user.

Re: [dev] Call for pkgsrc users

2013-04-10 Thread Christoph Lohmann
Greetings. On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 18:59:18 +0200 William Giokas <1007...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 06:12:00PM +0200, Christoph Lohmann wrote: > > Greetings comrades, > > > > I have been rediscovering pkgsrc due to the inability of the Arch devel‐ > > opers to keep to their principl

Re: [dev] Call for pkgsrc users

2013-04-10 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Christoph Lohmann dixit: >How are you using pkgsrc and how do you install a new system with just >pkgsrc? NetBSD® pkgsrc® is a method to install a set of packages on top of a base system, like all the BSDs have. I guess you’ll need a minimal GNU/Linux system below it, maybe https://github.com/

Re: [dev] Call for pkgsrc users

2013-04-10 Thread William Giokas
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 06:12:00PM +0200, Christoph Lohmann wrote: > Greetings comrades, > > I have been rediscovering pkgsrc due to the inability of the Arch devel‐ > opers to keep to their principles. I know pkgsrc has its merits because > of its portability, but it’s flexible. Might I ask wha

[dev] Call for pkgsrc users

2013-04-10 Thread Christoph Lohmann
Greetings comrades, I have been rediscovering pkgsrc due to the inability of the Arch devel‐ opers to keep to their principles. I know pkgsrc has its merits because of its portability, but it’s flexible. So a call to all Linux users of pkgsrc: How are you using pkgsrc and how do you install a