Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread Andrew Hills
On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Connor Lane Smith wrote: > I don't know about all you, but I find dwm's sloppy focus can be > really annoying at times -- focusing a window when I accidentally > nudge my atrophying pointer -- and would rather click-to-focus. The > great thing about dropping dwm's s

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread Bryan Bennett
I use a script for weechat that fires off a sound, sends a dbus notification and sets the urgent hint on the window. Works relatively well for me. I know there is a similar script for irssi, but for smaller clients (like ii or sic) you'll need to script something yourself, if I'm not mistaken.

[dev] Re: Digest of dev@suckless.org issue 112 (8981-9030)

2011-07-04 Thread a.l.e
hi > > one first sorrow: the goal of dwm-sprinkles is to add all the > > available patches... > > > No, definitely not :) > > > i would be happier to some of them... plus a few which i would not > > use but other think are important. > > > I intend to make some patches optional (eg the bar

Re: [dev] Mailing list instructions?

2011-07-04 Thread Benjamin R. Haskell
On Mon, 4 Jul 2011, Connor Lane Smith wrote: On 4 July 2011 22:36, Benjamin R. Haskell wrote: possibly message #997, based on the URL: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@suckless.org/msg00997.html I don't why you're looking there and not at the actual suckless archive,[1] which shows that it's

Re: [dev] Mailing list instructions?

2011-07-04 Thread Connor Lane Smith
On 4 July 2011 22:36, Benjamin R. Haskell wrote: > possibly message #997, based on the URL: > http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@suckless.org/msg00997.html I don't why you're looking there and not at the actual suckless archive,[1] which shows that it's message #986.[2] But I didn't get a reply from

[dev] Mailing list instructions?

2011-07-04 Thread Benjamin R. Haskell
The mailing list page¹ mentions that message 'N' can be fetched by sending a message to dev+get-N@MAILHOST. I tried to get the dwm-urgent-blink patch I mentioned before as an email (possibly message #997, based on the URL: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@suckless.org/msg00997.html ) by sending

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread Benjamin R. Haskell
On Mon, 4 Jul 2011, Benjamin R. Haskell wrote: On Mon, 4 Jul 2011, Christoph Lohmann wrote: Hello, Benjamin R. Haskell wrote: So, broadening: what (if anything) do dwm users use for "notifications" or indicating urgency? [...] urxvt.urgentOnBell: true Ah, thanks. Halfway there. So, t

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread Ruben Gonzalez Arnau
2. having some kind of indication that you've been addressed (urgent hints or whatever). In other wm's, #2 is often handled by having a little flashing systray icon. So, broadening: what (if anything) do dwm users use for "notifications" or indicating urgency? Hello, I use seturgent to

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread Josh Rickmar
"Benjamin R. Haskell" wrote: > On Mon, 4 Jul 2011, Josh Rickmar wrote: > > > Um, why is a systray needed for IRC? > > It's not necessary for IRC, per se. I wrote: > > > Without a systray, I don't understand where one gets the spare screen > > real estate to dedicate to IRC. > > I don't understa

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread Benjamin R. Haskell
On Mon, 4 Jul 2011, Christoph Lohmann wrote: Hello, Benjamin R. Haskell wrote: In other wm's, #2 is often handled by having a little flashing systray icon. So, broadening: what (if anything) do dwm users use for "notifications" or indicating urgency? my IRC client is sending a bell characte

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On Mon, 4 Jul 2011 18:16:48 +0200 garbeam wrote: > Well, dwm had focus follows mouse since its first minute. I'm not going to > change this when it is approaching the age of 5 tomorrow. I have the opposite problem to the OP. DWM sometimes does some clever focusing stuff which doesn't depend on

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On Mon, 4 Jul 2011 13:46:20 -0400 (EDT) "Benjamin R. Haskell" wrote: > That said, what do people here use for IRC and how do you deal with it > in dwm? Without a systray, I don't understand where one gets the spare > screen real estate to dedicate to IRC. And w/o dedicated space for it, > I

Re: [dev] suckless http library

2011-07-04 Thread anonymous
On Mon, Jul 04, 2011 at 04:17:33PM +0100, Nick wrote: > Or a nice suckless program that does HTTP that I can derive inspiration from? http://hg.suckless.org/quark/

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread Valentin Plechinger
> Well, the thing is, I don't ever use the mouse for window management, > but I sometimes move the mouse out of the way and in doing so > accidentally focus a completely different window. I personally would > rather dwm had no mouse support at all, but clearly that would be > controversial... Still

Re: [dev] DWM + Emacs key binding

2011-07-04 Thread Valentin Plechinger
If you have one, use the windows key as the modifier. I would probably go insane without that (also using emacs) At Mon, 04 Jul 2011 22:34:45 +0700, Toan Le wrote: > > [1 ] > [1.1 ] > Hi, > > I setup Arch linux on VMWare and decide to use DWM. I see some emacs > command does not work well und

Re: [dev] [dwm] visible only if needed [patch]

2011-07-04 Thread julien steinhauser
On Mon, Jul 04, 2011 at 03:19:12PM +0200, Hiltjo Posthuma wrote: > > I'm not sure if you intended it > as an upstream patch, but most people probably won't like it in > upstream dwm. I know there are some people using dwm around here, it was intended for who could find a use case to it. > Note

Re: [dev] ideas on suckless file manager

2011-07-04 Thread Pieter Praet
On Mon, 4 Jul 2011 11:18:16 -0700, Noah Birnel wrote: > On Mon, Jul 04, 2011 at 07:00:33PM +0200, hiro wrote: > > I don't get it, are you calibrating your printer so that it matches > > the display instead? > > > No. The printer and the monitor are not going to match. There is no > hope for that.

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread Christoph Lohmann
Hello, Benjamin R. Haskell wrote: In other wm's, #2 is often handled by having a little flashing systray icon. So, broadening: what (if anything) do dwm users use for "notifications" or indicating urgency? my IRC client is sending a bell character to my terminal, which is setting the urgent bi

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
Þann mán 4.júl 2011 17:46, skrifaði Benjamin R. Haskell: On Mon, 4 Jul 2011, Bjartur Thorlacius wrote: Þann mán 4.júl 2011 15:14, skrifaði Connor Lane Smith: Interesting, those on IRC were very 'for' this idea. Different demographics? Oh you silly ML people! So people who use mice prefer la

Re: [dev] ideas on suckless file manager

2011-07-04 Thread Noah Birnel
On Mon, Jul 04, 2011 at 07:00:33PM +0200, hiro wrote: > I don't get it, are you calibrating your printer so that it matches > the display instead? > No. The printer and the monitor are not going to match. There is no hope for that. What matters to us is the print. I am not arguing that no one sho

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread Benjamin R. Haskell
On Mon, 4 Jul 2011, Josh Rickmar wrote: Um, why is a systray needed for IRC? It's not necessary for IRC, per se. I wrote: Without a systray, I don't understand where one gets the spare screen real estate to dedicate to IRC. I don't understand how to effectively use IRC without doing one o

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread Josh Rickmar
"Benjamin R. Haskell" wrote: > On Mon, 4 Jul 2011, Bjartur Thorlacius wrote: > > > ??ann m??n 4.j??l 2011 15:14, skrifa??i Connor Lane Smith: > >> Interesting, those on IRC were very 'for' this idea. Different > >> demographics? Oh you silly ML people! > >> > > So people who use mice prefer la

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread Benjamin R. Haskell
On Mon, 4 Jul 2011, Bjartur Thorlacius wrote: Þann mán 4.júl 2011 15:14, skrifaði Connor Lane Smith: Interesting, those on IRC were very 'for' this idea. Different demographics? Oh you silly ML people! So people who use mice prefer laggy ML communications over IM? I hate mice, but I also

Re: [dev] DWM + Emacs key binding

2011-07-04 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
Þann mán 4.júl 2011 15:34, skrifaði Toan Le: Hi, I setup Arch linux on VMWare and decide to use DWM. I see some emacs command does not work well under DWM. I doubt DWM uses some duplicate key-binding. Is there anyone who can consult me on changing DWM key-binding to suit with Emacs. Sorry for

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
Þann mán 4.júl 2011 15:14, skrifaði Connor Lane Smith: Interesting, those on IRC were very 'for' this idea. Different demographics? Oh you silly ML people! So people who use mice prefer laggy ML communications over IM? Well, the thing is, I don't ever use the mouse for window management, but

Re: [dev] ideas on suckless file manager

2011-07-04 Thread hiro
I don't get it, are you calibrating your printer so that it matches the display instead? On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 18:39, Noah Birnel wrote: > On Mon, Jul 04, 2011 at 06:00:49PM +0200, Pieter Praet wrote: >> Color calibration [1] (and frequent recalibration) is mandatory when >> doing *anything* gra

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread David Tweed
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Connor Lane Smith wrote: > Interesting, those on IRC were very 'for' this idea. Different > demographics? Oh you silly ML people! > > On 4 July 2011 06:51, garbeam wrote: >> No I totally disagree. Click to focus makes the life uneccessary harder. >> Doing this just

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread Noah Birnel
On Mon, Jul 04, 2011 at 04:14:06PM +0100, Connor Lane Smith wrote: > Well, the thing is, I don't ever use the mouse for window management, > but I sometimes move the mouse out of the way and in doing so > accidentally focus a completely different window. unclutter? http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/X11/

Re: [dev] ideas on suckless file manager

2011-07-04 Thread Noah Birnel
On Mon, Jul 04, 2011 at 06:00:49PM +0200, Pieter Praet wrote: > Color calibration [1] (and frequent recalibration) is mandatory when > doing *anything* graphics-related for production purposes, as the output > of any and every visual output device known to man *will* be distorted, > due to used mat

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread Connor Lane Smith
On 4 July 2011 17:16, garbeam wrote: > Well, dwm had focus follows mouse since its first minute. I'm not going to > change this when it is approaching the age of 5 tomorrow. Since the two sides seem fairly even, as far as I can tell, I agree it's probably best not to change it. It can just be a l

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread garbeam
Well, dwm had focus follows mouse since its first minute. I'm not going to change this when it is approaching the age of 5 tomorrow. Cheers, Anselm

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread Bryan Bennett
Unless, of course, you don't HAVE a touchpad to disable. (However, the touchpad is definitely 100% easier to hit than the mouse.)

Re: [dev] ideas on suckless file manager

2011-07-04 Thread Pieter Praet
On Mon, 4 Jul 2011 16:13:09 +0100, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: > [...] > I do seem to have less of a problem when there's a color management > system in the display, but I can't imagine anything more sucky in a > display than a system to adjust every already-rendered pixel. > [...] Color calibrat

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread Ruben Gonzalez Arnau
On 04/07/11 17:14, Connor Lane Smith wrote: Interesting, those on IRC were very 'for' this idea. Different demographics? Oh you silly ML people! On 4 July 2011 06:51, garbeam wrote: No I totally disagree. Click to focus makes the life uneccessary harder. Doing this just for the rare corner cas

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread Nick
On Mon, Jul 04, 2011 at 04:14:06PM +0100, Connor Lane Smith wrote: > I personally would > rather dwm had no mouse support at all, but clearly that would be > controversial... I'd be interested in seeing the patch. Is the mouse used for anything much other than sloppy focus (it's all I use the mou

Re: [dev] DWM + Emacs key binding

2011-07-04 Thread Christoph Lohmann
Hello, Toan Le wrote: Hi, I setup Arch linux on VMWare and decide to use DWM. I see some emacs command does not work well under DWM. I doubt DWM uses some duplicate key-binding. Is there anyone who can consult me on changing DWM key-binding to suit with Emacs. Sorry for my request, I use Emacs

Re: [dev] DWM + Emacs key binding

2011-07-04 Thread Peter John Hartman
> Is there anyone who can consult me on changing DWM key-binding to suit > with Emacs. Sorry for my request, I use Emacs key-binding frequently so > changing DWM key-binding is my preferable. config.h -p -- sic dicit magister P PhD Candidate Collaborative Programme in Ancient and Medieval P

Re: [dev] DWM + Emacs key binding

2011-07-04 Thread Connor Lane Smith
Hey, On 4 July 2011 16:34, Toan Le wrote: > Is there anyone who can consult me on changing DWM key-binding to suit with > Emacs. Have you looked at dwm/config.h? Specifically search for "keys[]". See also [1] and [2]. [1]: http://dwm.suckless.org/customisation/ [2]: http://dwm.suckless.org/cust

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread Rob
On 4 July 2011 16:14, Connor Lane Smith wrote: > But apparently opinions are split on this topic! Suppose it depends, I've been conditioned, and expect that when I move a mouse into another window, focus should go there, so much that when I'm on Windows I'll use some tweaking program to implement

[dev] DWM + Emacs key binding

2011-07-04 Thread Toan Le
Hi, I setup Arch linux on VMWare and decide to use DWM. I see some emacs command does not work well under DWM. I doubt DWM uses some duplicate key-binding. Is there anyone who can consult me on changing DWM key-binding to suit with Emacs. Sorry for my request, I use Emacs key-binding frequen

Re: [dev] [dwm] visible only if needed [patch]

2011-07-04 Thread Connor Lane Smith
On 4 July 2011 16:23, Connor Lane Smith wrote: > I would rather dwm only displayed the visible tags ... And those in use, ofc. cls

Re: [dev] [dwm] visible only if needed [patch]

2011-07-04 Thread Connor Lane Smith
On 4 July 2011 14:19, Hiltjo Posthuma wrote: > Note that drawsquare() is not only used for showing if a > tag is used by clients but also to indicate floating clients in the > titlebar so your patch removes that also. The patch also makes it impossible to see which tags the focused client is tagg

[dev] suckless http library

2011-07-04 Thread Nick
Does anyone know of a reasonable C library for HTTP client interaction? Or a nice suckless program that does HTTP that I can derive inspiration from? Thanks Nick

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread Connor Lane Smith
Interesting, those on IRC were very 'for' this idea. Different demographics? Oh you silly ML people! On 4 July 2011 06:51, garbeam wrote: > No I totally disagree. Click to focus makes the life uneccessary harder. > Doing this just for the rare corner case of touching your pointing device by > acc

Re: [dev] ideas on suckless file manager

2011-07-04 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 15:23:05 +0200 Pieter Praet wrote: > On Mon, 4 Jul 2011 14:55:38 +0200, hiro <23h...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > Most people getting eye problems in front of the computer are caused > > by the concentrated day-long staring without blinking once. > > ^ Also rather influential.

Re: [dev] [st] mutt and cursor

2011-07-04 Thread anonymous
On Mon, Jul 04, 2011 at 12:44:18PM +0100, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: > On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 06:34:03 +0400 > anonymous wrote: > > > Since revision 202 cursor is hidden after I quit from mutt. If I do > > "update 201", everything is ok. I don't know how to fix it right way. > > > > Also "reset" c

Re: [dev] ideas on suckless file manager

2011-07-04 Thread Pieter Praet
On Mon, 4 Jul 2011 14:55:38 +0200, hiro <23h...@googlemail.com> wrote: > Most people getting eye problems in front of the computer are caused > by the concentrated day-long staring without blinking once. ^ Also rather influential. Especially for Ethan, who (based on his reference to deviantART to

Re: [dev] [dwm] visible only if needed [patch]

2011-07-04 Thread Hiltjo Posthuma
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 11:37 AM, julien steinhauser wrote: > Code from Hiltjo Posthuma and Jeremiah Dow ( with minor add ) is merged in > this patch. > The behaviour is : > > - border is shown when one sees more than one client. > - tags are shown when they are viewed or when clients are labelled

Re: [dev] ideas on suckless file manager

2011-07-04 Thread hiro
Most people getting eye problems in front of the computer are caused by the concentrated day-long staring without blinking once. Personally I hate the typical CRT flickering (especially if set to <85 Hz)

Re: [dev] Re: Cleanup of (hg.)suckless.org

2011-07-04 Thread hiro
I did post a screenshot ages ago where I use multiple windows of opera instead of stupid tabs and let wmii handle the rest. It was a bit difficult, but it's still possible to hide all interfaces. But people don't want to learn... I still use only opera and dillo on linux. On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 12

Re: [dev] ideas on suckless file manager

2011-07-04 Thread Pieter Praet
On Mon, 4 Jul 2011 12:20:02 +0100, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: > On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 22:23:03 +0200 > pancake wrote: > > > Also crt and lcd/tft screens have differet brightness effects. Tft are less > > damaging to eyes than crt.. So i think discussion about colors on text > > moved to only st

Re: [dev] How to monitor battery status

2011-07-04 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 06:47:35 -0400 Kurt H Maier wrote: > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 5:59 AM, ilf wrote: > > I have done this the /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/state | shell way for years and > > found it to be way more resource intense then calling acpi -b. > > > > Let's face it, the Shell/Perl/Python/wh

Re: [dev] [st] mutt and cursor

2011-07-04 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 06:34:03 +0400 anonymous wrote: > Since revision 202 cursor is hidden after I quit from mutt. If I do > "update 201", everything is ok. I don't know how to fix it right way. > > Also "reset" command don't help, cursor is still hidden. Is it a bug? > > http://hg.suckless.or

Re: [dev] ideas on suckless file manager

2011-07-04 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 22:23:03 +0200 pancake wrote: > Also crt and lcd/tft screens have differet brightness effects. Tft are less > damaging to eyes than crt.. So i think discussion about colors on text moved > to only stethical and personal issue because its no longer dramatic as it was > in th

Re: [dev] Re: Cleanup of (hg.)suckless.org

2011-07-04 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:28:06 +0200 hiro <23h...@googlemail.com> wrote: > He's deep into troll recruiting too. > Everyone on this list seems to have learned how to troll on a wholly > different level. Different to catch and way more fun. > Yay for the crusade against Technical arguments. If it's s

[dev] [dwm] visible only if needed [patch]

2011-07-04 Thread julien steinhauser
Code from Hiltjo Posthuma and Jeremiah Dow ( with minor add ) is merged in this patch. The behaviour is : - border is shown when one sees more than one client. - tags are shown when they are viewed or when clients are labelled with them. drawsquare is removed. As i don't know C, please say anyt

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread Mate Nagy
hi, On Mon, Jul 04, 2011 at 11:28:54AM +0300, Ruben Mikkonen wrote: > > I don't know about all you, but I find dwm's sloppy focus can be > > really annoying at times -- focusing a window when I accidentally > > nudge my atrophying pointer -- and would rather click-to-focus. The > > great thing abou

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread Ruben Mikkonen
I also find sloppy focus quite annoying, but I don't prefer click-to-focus neither. Since I anyway use mostly keyboard, it's irritating to grab the mouse to switch the window - therefore I use keyboard for that stuff. On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 4:10 AM, Connor Lane Smith wrote: > Hey, > > I don't kn

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread Nick
On Mon, Jul 04, 2011 at 02:10:33AM +0100, Connor Lane Smith wrote: > I don't know about all you, but I find dwm's sloppy focus can be > really annoying at times -- focusing a window when I accidentally > nudge my atrophying pointer -- and would rather click-to-focus. The Occasionally it is annoyin

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread David Tweed
As my vote, I prefer to keep sloppy focus, at the very least as an option, (the fact that sloppy focus doesn't seem to work properly on Windows means I'm forced back to click to focus at work at it's driving me mad the sheer volume of unnecessary clicking). Incidentally, I use the mouse a LOT with