Re: Auto Upgrade Behavior

2012-08-28 Thread Philip Martin
Greg Stein writes: > On Aug 25, 2012 8:08 PM, "Branko Čibej" wrote: >> >> On 26.08.2012 00:31, Greg Stein wrote: >> > In the past, we used auto-upgrade because it "just worked". Most users >> > don't need or want to worry about working copy formats. They just want svn >> > to work. >> > >> > I d

Re: Auto Upgrade Behavior

2012-08-27 Thread Mark Phippard
On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Branko Čibej wrote: > Makes sense. Except that I'd argue against having an auto-upgrade > option. It seems to me that it would just complicate bug reporting > without actually gaining anyone anything. If you're thinking about > large-scale client deployments in co

Re: Auto Upgrade Behavior

2012-08-27 Thread Vladimir Berezniker
In my experience (I work in finance/banking sector), the issue with WC upgrades tend to come from reliance on multiple tools: cmd line - for scripts IDE plugin - for development plugin for the file explorer - for task that are quicker done outside IDE Continuous Integration plugin in "enterprise"

Re: Auto Upgrade Behavior

2012-08-27 Thread Stefan Sperling
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 08:04:09AM -0400, C. Michael Pilato wrote: > This is tending off-topic, but I'll note that this is in a class of > server-side configuration that would not (in fact, *should not* in my > opinion) be aided by the work that Paul is doing right now. Configuration > via inherit

Re: Auto Upgrade Behavior

2012-08-27 Thread Johan Corveleyn
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Greg Stein wrote: > I'm thinking that we ought to continue auto-upgrade for the masses, > especially given Bert's input. Much as I dislike config knobs, it seems > prudent to introduce a "disable auto-upgrade" option for large, multi-client > shops. IMO, you're te

Re: Auto Upgrade Behavior

2012-08-27 Thread C. Michael Pilato
On 08/27/2012 07:56 AM, Stefan Sperling wrote: > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 04:47:58AM -0400, Greg Stein wrote: >> I'm thinking that we ought to continue auto-upgrade for the masses, >> especially given Bert's input. Much as I dislike config knobs, it seems >> prudent to introduce a "disable auto-upgr

Re: Auto Upgrade Behavior

2012-08-27 Thread Stefan Sperling
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 04:47:58AM -0400, Greg Stein wrote: > I'm thinking that we ought to continue auto-upgrade for the masses, > especially given Bert's input. Much as I dislike config knobs, it seems > prudent to introduce a "disable auto-upgrade" option for large, > multi-client shops. IMO, yo

Re: Auto Upgrade Behavior

2012-08-27 Thread Greg Stein
I'm thinking that we ought to continue auto-upgrade for the masses, especially given Bert's input. Much as I dislike config knobs, it seems prudent to introduce a "disable auto-upgrade" option for large, multi-client shops. IMO, you're tending towards sophisticated if you use more than one svn clie

Re: Auto Upgrade Behavior

2012-08-27 Thread Johan Corveleyn
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 1:58 AM, Bert Huijben wrote: > > >> -Original Message- >> From: Stefan Sperling [mailto:s...@elego.de] >> Sent: zondag 26 augustus 2012 21:39 >> To: Greg Stein >> Cc: Branko Čibej; dev@subversion.apache.org >> Subject: Re:

RE: Auto Upgrade Behavior

2012-08-26 Thread Bert Huijben
> -Original Message- > From: Stefan Sperling [mailto:s...@elego.de] > Sent: zondag 26 augustus 2012 21:39 > To: Greg Stein > Cc: Branko Čibej; dev@subversion.apache.org > Subject: Re: Auto Upgrade Behavior > > On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 02:29:45PM -0400, Greg St

Re: Auto Upgrade Behavior

2012-08-26 Thread Stefan Sperling
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 02:29:45PM -0400, Greg Stein wrote: > On Aug 25, 2012 8:08 PM, "Branko Čibej" wrote: > > > > On 26.08.2012 00:31, Greg Stein wrote: > > > In the past, we used auto-upgrade because it "just worked". Most users > > > don't need or want to worry about working copy formats. The

Re: Auto Upgrade Behavior

2012-08-26 Thread Greg Stein
On Aug 25, 2012 8:08 PM, "Branko Čibej" wrote: > > On 26.08.2012 00:31, Greg Stein wrote: > > In the past, we used auto-upgrade because it "just worked". Most users > > don't need or want to worry about working copy formats. They just want svn > > to work. > > > > I don't think we should be making

Re: Auto Upgrade Behavior

2012-08-25 Thread Branko Čibej
On 26.08.2012 00:31, Greg Stein wrote: > In the past, we used auto-upgrade because it "just worked". Most users > don't need or want to worry about working copy formats. They just want svn > to work. > > I don't think we should be making things more difficult for the majority in > order to help a f

Re: Auto Upgrade Behavior

2012-08-25 Thread Greg Stein
In the past, we used auto-upgrade because it "just worked". Most users don't need or want to worry about working copy formats. They just want svn to work. I don't think we should be making things more difficult for the majority in order to help a few users who use multiple clients. That is backwar

Re: Auto Upgrade Behavior

2012-08-25 Thread Daniel Shahaf
Branko Čibej wrote on Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 23:25:54 +0200: > On 25.08.2012 11:33, Stefan Sperling wrote: > > On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 11:14:57AM +0200, Branko Čibej wrote: > >> After all the discussions about this topic, I've slowly come to the > >> conclusion that this is the best option. The only

Re: Auto Upgrade Behavior

2012-08-25 Thread Branko Čibej
On 25.08.2012 11:33, Stefan Sperling wrote: > On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 11:14:57AM +0200, Branko Čibej wrote: >> After all the discussions about this topic, I've slowly come to the >> conclusion that this is the best option. The only trouble I see is in >> properly supporting older WC formats, becaus

Re: Auto Upgrade Behavior

2012-08-25 Thread Stefan Sperling
On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 11:14:57AM +0200, Branko Čibej wrote: > After all the discussions about this topic, I've slowly come to the > conclusion that this is the best option. The only trouble I see is in > properly supporting older WC formats, because as far as I can see, > there's not much infrast

Re: Auto Upgrade Behavior

2012-08-25 Thread Branko Čibej
On 25.08.2012 11:00, Stefan Sperling wrote: > On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 05:21:09PM -0400, Paul Burba wrote: >> Currently trunk tries to auto-upgrade the WC pretty much every chance >> it gets, even when the cwd is an unversioned directory within a WC. >> I've been wondering if this is really such a g

Re: Auto Upgrade Behavior

2012-08-25 Thread Stefan Sperling
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 05:21:09PM -0400, Paul Burba wrote: > Currently trunk tries to auto-upgrade the WC pretty much every chance > it gets, even when the cwd is an unversioned directory within a WC. > I've been wondering if this is really such a good idea -- it's been > quite noticeable, in an a