Re: Apache Subversion and the Outreach Program for Women

2012-12-01 Thread Stefan Sperling
On Sat, Dec 01, 2012 at 05:36:34PM +1000, Miriam Hochwald wrote: > To whom it may concern, > > I would like to express interest in contributing to Apache Subversion. Hi Miriam! I've volunteered as mentor for Subversion in OPW 2013. > Projects of interest: > >- > >Improve bindings to o

Re: RFC: simple proposal for Internet-scoped IDs

2012-12-01 Thread Stefan Sperling
On Sat, Dec 01, 2012 at 09:41:17AM -0500, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: > Whether I call him "zhakov" or "ivan" - it's the same person. No, he's very different on IRC ("zhakov") to when I sat next to him in-person ("ivan") in a bar in Berlin at 2am in the morning. Really!

Re: 1.8 Progress

2012-12-01 Thread Stefan Sperling
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 04:52:15PM -0500, C. Michael Pilato wrote: > I also seem to recall Stefan also saying something about not having time to > work on this stuff for the remainder of 2012, but I can't find a reference > for that at the moment, so perhaps I just misremembered. I said so on IRC.

Re: Fwd: Regarding the Outreach Program for Women

2012-12-01 Thread Stefan Sperling
On Sat, Dec 01, 2012 at 03:29:44PM +0530, Shivani Poddar wrote: > Hi > I am currently a second year student in IIIT-Hyderabad and am hugely > interested in a lot of Projects that are being mentored here. It would be > great if you could guide me how to go about applying for them.As it is i am > not

Apache Subversion and the Outreach Program for Women

2012-12-01 Thread Miriam Hochwald
To whom it may concern, I would like to express interest in contributing to Apache Subversion. Projects of interest: - Improve bindings to other programming languages. - Show progress output. - Improve 'svn help'. - More customizable behavior for 'svn diff'. My core languages ar

Re: non-skelta update editor mode in ra_serf (was Re: svn commit: r1415864 - /subversion/trunk/subversion/libsvn_ra_serf/update.c)

2012-12-01 Thread Johan Corveleyn
On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Branko Čibej wrote: > On 01.12.2012 22:18, Ivan Zhakov wrote: >> Completely agree. >> >> My point was that in theory skelta-mode is cool, but it still needs a >> lot of work to get it really done. > > Sorry? I've had "http-library = serf" in ~/.subversion/config fo

Re: Outreach Program for Women

2012-12-01 Thread Stefan Sperling
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 08:01:51PM -0800, Lisa L wrote: > Thanks, Greg. That'll give me something to get familiarized with until a > mentoring-type person is available. :-) Hi, the mentoring-type person would be me :) I'm happy to hear you're interested in improving 'svn help'. I put together th

Re: non-skelta update editor mode in ra_serf (was Re: svn commit: r1415864 - /subversion/trunk/subversion/libsvn_ra_serf/update.c)

2012-12-01 Thread Branko Čibej
On 01.12.2012 22:18, Ivan Zhakov wrote: > Completely agree. > > My point was that in theory skelta-mode is cool, but it still needs a > lot of work to get it really done. Sorry? I've had "http-library = serf" in ~/.subversion/config for years, and have seen no problems. What does it take, in your

non-skelta update editor mode in ra_serf (was Re: svn commit: r1415864 - /subversion/trunk/subversion/libsvn_ra_serf/update.c)

2012-12-01 Thread Ivan Zhakov
[ changing subject to make topic more visible] On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 9:00 PM, Mark Phippard wrote: > On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 12:36 AM, Justin Erenkrantz > wrote: >> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 4:54 PM, wrote: >>> >>> Author: cmpilato >>> Date: Fri Nov 30 21:54:35 2012 >>> New Revision: 1415864 >>>

Re: svn commit: r1415864 - /subversion/trunk/subversion/libsvn_ra_serf/update.c

2012-12-01 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Mark Phippard wrote: > I feel pretty strongly that we should at minimum use the send-all > approach when talking to pre-1.8 servers. Even though in some > situations it could still offer good performance. I just think it > would be more respectful to our users (

Re: svn commit: r1415864 - /subversion/trunk/subversion/libsvn_ra_serf/update.c

2012-12-01 Thread Mark Phippard
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 5:38 PM, C. Michael Pilato wrote: > On 11/30/2012 05:25 PM, Mark Phippard wrote: >> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 5:23 PM, C. Michael Pilato >> wrote: >>> On 11/30/2012 05:00 PM, Mark Phippard wrote: On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 4:54 PM, wrote: > Author: cmpilato > Da

Re: svn commit: r1415864 - /subversion/trunk/subversion/libsvn_ra_serf/update.c

2012-12-01 Thread Mark Phippard
On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 12:36 AM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: > On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 4:54 PM, wrote: >> >> Author: cmpilato >> Date: Fri Nov 30 21:54:35 2012 >> New Revision: 1415864 >> >> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=1415864&view=rev >> Log: >> Implement in ra_serf "send-all" mode suppor

Re: svn commit: r1415864 - /subversion/trunk/subversion/libsvn_ra_serf/update.c

2012-12-01 Thread Daniel Shahaf
Justin Erenkrantz wrote on Sat, Dec 01, 2012 at 09:50:29 -0500: > On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Branko Čibej wrote: > > > On 01.12.2012 14:31, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: > > > And, yes, that clearly could all be done in time for 1.8 without > > > jeopardizing the timelines one tiny bit. =P > > >

Re: svn commit: r1415864 - /subversion/trunk/subversion/libsvn_ra_serf/update.c

2012-12-01 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Branko Čibej wrote: > On 01.12.2012 14:31, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: > > And, yes, that clearly could all be done in time for 1.8 without > > jeopardizing the timelines one tiny bit. =P > > Eep ... :) > > > Another thing I've been thinking about is this: Why are we

Re: RFC: simple proposal for Internet-scoped IDs

2012-12-01 Thread Ben Reser
On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Eric S. Raymond wrote: > There. You're done. It's backward-compatible (older installations > can ignore the feature and nothing breaks). It's independent of your > authentication method, but you can add auth checks if you care enough. > It scales well because the

Re: svn commit: r1415864 - /subversion/trunk/subversion/libsvn_ra_serf/update.c

2012-12-01 Thread Branko Čibej
On 01.12.2012 14:31, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: > And, yes, that clearly could all be done in time for 1.8 without > jeopardizing the timelines one tiny bit. =P Eep ... :) Another thing I've been thinking about is this: Why are we using SHA1 checksums on the server and on the wire for consistency

Re: RFC: simple proposal for Internet-scoped IDs

2012-12-01 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Daniel Shahaf wrote: > BTW, the ability to change svn:author at will is one of the reasons they > aren't global-scoped: if Subversion ever migrated away from ASF, we can > _then_ change all svn:author revprops --- just like we once changed > "zhakov" (implied @tigri

Re: RFC: simple proposal for Internet-scoped IDs

2012-12-01 Thread Daniel Shahaf
Justin Erenkrantz wrote on Sat, Dec 01, 2012 at 09:08:05 -0500: > And, once again, I'll reiterate my earlier point that FULLNAME can be added > retroactively pretty easily to existing SVN repositories. So, for > svn.apache.org, after we might deploy a FULLNAME infrastructure, we could > easily cra

Re: reposurgeon now writes Subversion repositories

2012-12-01 Thread Ben Reser
On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 8:14 AM, Eric S. Raymond wrote: > This one confines your Unix-ID adhesion to the FULLNAMES array, which > is a long step in the right direction because it means your repo history > will be local-ID-clean. It confines it to whatever value that python script could be taught

Re: reposurgeon now writes Subversion repositories

2012-12-01 Thread Branko Čibej
On 01.12.2012 14:14, Eric S. Raymond wrote: > (Apologies if this is a duplicate send. I just had a disturbing > glitch in my MUA and want to make sure it got out.) > > Daniel Shahaf : >> Server-side implementation, independent of RA method: (via brane) > Ah, now that looks somewhat like progress.

Re: svn commit: r1415864 - /subversion/trunk/subversion/libsvn_ra_serf/update.c

2012-12-01 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Lieven Govaerts wrote: > There are some scenario's where either the server admin or the user > can decide if parallel requests make sense or not. > > I'm specifically thinking of the use Kerberos per request > authentication. These responses can't be cached on the

Re: RFC: simple proposal for Internet-scoped IDs

2012-12-01 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Eric S. Raymond wrote: > I'm not certain, but if your server-side hooks work the way I think > they do, all of this except (1) can be done in Python. Not having to > add complexity to your C code is a significant virtue. > Here's another approach to take with reg

Re: svn commit: r1415864 - /subversion/trunk/subversion/libsvn_ra_serf/update.c

2012-12-01 Thread Lieven Govaerts
On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: > On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 5:59 AM, Johan Corveleyn wrote: >> >> I'm wondering whether your concerns apply to both internet-wide >> deployments and local (all on the same LAN) ones. > > > That line is certainly a fair one to draw in the sand.

RFC: simple proposal for Internet-scoped IDs

2012-12-01 Thread Eric S. Raymond
This discussion has been fruitful. The responses from Greg, Branko and others suggest that you guys are actually engaged with the project-mobility problem now - apologies if my approach seemed a bit too boot-to-the head, but I really am trying to be helpful. I think I can now write a simple propo

Re: reposurgeon now writes Subversion repositories

2012-12-01 Thread Alan Barrett
On Sat, 01 Dec 2012, Eric S. Raymond wrote: Alternative server-side implementation (via breser): [[[ command="svnserve -t --tunnel-user='Daniel Shahaf'" ssh-rsa ... ]]] Um, does this mean everyone's commits are coing to look like Daniel Shahaf made them? If not, where is --tunnel-user going to

Re: svn commit: r1415864 - /subversion/trunk/subversion/libsvn_ra_serf/update.c

2012-12-01 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 5:59 AM, Johan Corveleyn wrote: > I'm wondering whether your concerns apply to both internet-wide > deployments and local (all on the same LAN) ones. > That line is certainly a fair one to draw in the sand. That said, I think the internal use case cries out even *more* fo

Re: reposurgeon now writes Subversion repositories

2012-12-01 Thread Eric S. Raymond
(Apologies if this is a duplicate send. I just had a disturbing glitch in my MUA and want to make sure it got out.) Daniel Shahaf : > Server-side implementation, independent of RA method: (via brane) Ah, now that looks somewhat like progress. But some (possibly all) of these solutions have seri

Re: reposurgeon now writes Subversion repositories

2012-12-01 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Daniel Shahaf : > Server-side implementation, independent of RA method: (via brane) Ah, now that looks somewhat like progress. But some (possibly all) of these solutions have serious weaknesses which you need to think about. > [[[ > #!/usr/bin/env python > > import sys > from svn.repos import *

Re: 1.8 Progress

2012-12-01 Thread Hyrum K Wright
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 4:52 PM, C. Michael Pilato wrote: > > > 2) Ev2. The notes say this is believed to be in a releasable state? Is > > there any work needed to verify this? Do we need to remove the use of > Ev2 > > in any place to avoid releasing with compatibility shims in use? Are we > > c

Re: reposurgeon now writes Subversion repositories

2012-12-01 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Alan Barrett : > Perhaps it would be a good first step to add examples to the > documentation, showing how the admin can use "Full Name > " in the svn:author field, with all the common access > methods. Yes. I think it is (a) possible that better documentation can solve this problem, and (b) certa

Fwd: Regarding the Outreach Program for Women

2012-12-01 Thread Shivani Poddar
Hi I am currently a second year student in IIIT-Hyderabad and am hugely interested in a lot of Projects that are being mentored here. It would be great if you could guide me how to go about applying for them.As it is i am not able to locate the respective mentors for your projects. Having seen this

Re: reposurgeon now writes Subversion repositories

2012-12-01 Thread Daniel Shahaf
Alan Barrett wrote on Sat, Dec 01, 2012 at 12:05:48 +0300: > Perhaps it would be a good first step to add examples to the > documentation, showing how the admin can use "Full Name " > in the svn:author field, with all the common access methods. Server-side implementation, independent of RA metho

Re: svn commit: r1415864 - /subversion/trunk/subversion/libsvn_ra_serf/update.c

2012-12-01 Thread Johan Corveleyn
On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 6:36 AM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: > On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 4:54 PM, wrote: >> >> Author: cmpilato >> Date: Fri Nov 30 21:54:35 2012 >> New Revision: 1415864 >> >> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=1415864&view=rev >> Log: >> Implement in ra_serf "send-all" mode support

Re: reposurgeon now writes Subversion repositories

2012-12-01 Thread Alan Barrett
On Sat, 01 Dec 2012, Eric S. Raymond wrote: I've lost count of the number of Subversion repo lifts I've done (has to be more than a dozen at this point), and in no case have I ever seen *anything* but a local Unix ID in the svn:author property. Yes, it's probably true that most svn repositories