Re: Problem with module VCL (libXinerama missing)

2013-03-26 Thread Herbert Dürr
On 2013/03/25 8:30 PM, Alan Eduardo Puc Pech wrote: Hello team, I'm Alan, Now I have a problem about building AOO with the module VCL. The error this is: [...] /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXinerama Please make sure that you have a package libxinerama-dev (or similar, depending on the distributi

Re: Problems with Accessibility in Open Office

2013-03-26 Thread Steve Yin
Hi Jennifer, I am working on the IAccessible2 migration for AOO. If possible, you can download and evaluate the Windows version Symphony's accessibility firstly. The download link: http://www-03.ibm.com/software/lotus/symphony/home.nsf/home. Thanks. On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 2:05 AM, Doitblind Jen

Re: w7snap build error

2013-03-26 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 12:08:38PM +0100, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: > Error: "Missplaced close tag: in file > > E:\slave14\aoo-w7snap\build\main\officecfg\registry\data\org\openoffice\Office\UI\Sidebar.xcu" > in line 640: "" dmake: Error code 13, > while

Re: w7snap build error

2013-03-26 Thread Herbert Dürr
On 2013/03/26 8:23 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 12:08:38PM +0100, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: I have committed the suggested patch from Ariel. Herbert was so kind to trigger the buildbot. It seems this doesn't fix anything: http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffic

Re: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: AOO 4.0 getting rid of the 3 layer office, part 1

2013-03-26 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 3/25/13 5:22 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: > On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 12:58:17PM -0300, Ariel Constenla-Haile > wrote: >>> I gave a new built trunk version a try on my MacBook and the >>> presenter screen doesn't work. AOO 3.4.1 worked. >> >> It works on Windows and Linux, where I could test.

Re: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: AOO 4.0 getting rid of the 3 layer office, part 1

2013-03-26 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 3/25/13 6:37 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: > On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 05:37:06PM +0100, Andre Fischer wrote: >> On 25.03.2013 03:36, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: >>> On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 07:04:53PM -0700, Dennis E. Hamilton >>> wrote: @Ariel, This is where they are in 3.4.1.

Re: questions about Base---do we need an embedded DB?

2013-03-26 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 3/26/13 7:16 AM, Mechtilde wrote: > Hello, > > We need base with its easy way to connect to databases like mysql > or postgresql especially under other OS's than Windows. > > we ourselves developed an extension based on this funktion for Law > Offices in Germany > > There is no other free Of

Re: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: AOO 4.0 getting rid of the 3 layer office, part 1

2013-03-26 Thread Andre Fischer
On 25.03.2013 18:37, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 05:37:06PM +0100, Andre Fischer wrote: On 25.03.2013 03:36, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 07:04:53PM -0700, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: @Ariel, This is where they are in 3.4.1. Are you talking abou

Re: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: AOO 4.0 getting rid of the 3 layer office, part 1

2013-03-26 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 10:32:58AM +0100, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > >>> You are right, these extensions were bundled with the > >>> installation; IMO it was a non-sense from the beginning to > >>> develop these as extensions (at least the presentation > >>> minimizer and the presenter screen, that ha

Re: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: AOO 4.0 getting rid of the 3 layer office, part 1

2013-03-26 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 3/26/13 11:07 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: > On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 10:32:58AM +0100, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > You are right, these extensions were bundled with the > installation; IMO it was a non-sense from the beginning to > develop these as extensions (at least the presenta

Re: questions about Base---do we need an embedded DB?

2013-03-26 Thread Fernand Vanrie
Ariel , Well no doubt this may start a rather heated discussion. One of my favorites quotes about Base is from Andreas Säger (villeroy on the forums): "The difference between MS Access and Base amounts to several millions of Dollars and more than one decade of development time. Once you got

Re: questions about Base---do we need an embedded DB?

2013-03-26 Thread Fernand Vanrie
Mechtilde Hello, We need base with its easy way to connect to databases like mysql or postgresql especially under other OS's than Windows. we ourselves developed an extension based on this funktion for Law Offices in Germany There is no other free Office Suite which had a databse modul which

Re: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: AOO 4.0 getting rid of the 3 layer office, part 1

2013-03-26 Thread janI
On 26 March 2013 11:36, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > On 3/26/13 11:07 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 10:32:58AM +0100, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > > You are right, these extensions were bundled with the > > installation; IMO it was a non-sense from the beginning to >

Re: questions about Base---do we need an embedded DB?

2013-03-26 Thread Damjan Jovanovic
+1 to a survey. Also anecdotal descriptions and links to emails don't help much. Please list the relevant Bugzilla bugs here so those of us that care can look at fixing them. Damjan On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 2:29 AM, Fred Ollinger wrote: > Perhaps a survey question could be regarding this. How ma

Re: updating Splashscreen

2013-03-26 Thread Louis Suárez-Potts
Hi, On 13-03-26, at 24:41 , Samer Mansour wrote: > I think we should start first with what the purpose of the splash screen is: > > 1 Welcome users. Hi I'm OpenOffice. /me is sour this morning and particularly dyspeptic toward wannabe imitations of Clippy. :-) > > 2 Provide loading progress.

Re: questions about Base---do we need an embedded DB?

2013-03-26 Thread Rob Weir
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: > Well no doubt this may start a rather heated discussion. I started looking > into the history of the Base component, who is using it now (looked into > Forums, users discussion list), and finally came upon the following FAQ > (edited a LOT just

Re: updating Splashscreen

2013-03-26 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 12:41 AM, Samer Mansour wrote: > I think we should start first with what the purpose of the splash screen is: > > 1 Welcome users. Hi I'm OpenOffice. > > 2 Provide loading progress. If loading is so fast do we even need a bar. > Perhaps a spinning circle is better to show

Re: CMS diff: Consensus Building

2013-03-26 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 2:42 AM, Keith McKenna wrote: > Clone URL (Committers only): > https://cms.apache.org/redirect?new=anonymous;action=diff;uri=http://openoffice.apache.org/docs%2Fgovernance%2FconsensusBuilding.mdtext > > Keith McKenna > Thanks for the patch. I've checked it in. -Rob > I

Re: Problem with module VCL (libXinerama missing)

2013-03-26 Thread Alan Eduardo Puc Pech
Hello, I fix it with the following command from the terminal: sudo apt-get install libxinerama-dev thanks Herbert. Regards 2013/3/26 Herbert Dürr > On 2013/03/25 8:30 PM, Alan Eduardo Puc Pech wrote: > >> Hello team, I'm Alan, Now I have a problem about building AOO with the >> module VCL. >>

Re: questions about Base---do we need an embedded DB?

2013-03-26 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > My ordered preference would be 1, 3 yeah, great *sarcasm*, let's add another bullet point to a microsoft presentation titled 'how Microsoft Office is better than OpenOfffice.org" OO.o lacks database? check!" My opinion is that maybe Sun pu

Re: updating Splashscreen

2013-03-26 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 3/26/13 3:05 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 12:41 AM, Samer Mansour wrote: >> I think we should start first with what the purpose of the splash screen is: >> >> 1 Welcome users. Hi I'm OpenOffice. >> >> 2 Provide loading progress. If loading is so fast do we even need a bar. >>

Re: questions about Base---do we need an embedded DB?

2013-03-26 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 3/26/13 3:35 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> My ordered preference would be 1, 3 > > > yeah, great *sarcasm*, let's add another bullet point to a microsoft > presentation titled 'how Microsoft Office is better than > OpenOfffice.org" OO.

Re: questions about Base---do we need an embedded DB?

2013-03-26 Thread Damjan Jovanovic
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 4:35 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> My ordered preference would be 1, 3 > > > yeah, great *sarcasm*, let's add another bullet point to a microsoft > presentation titled 'how Microsoft Office is better than > OpenOfffice.o

Re: questions about Base---do we need an embedded DB?

2013-03-26 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 3/26/13 4:00 PM, Damjan Jovanovic wrote: > On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 4:35 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >> >>> My ordered preference would be 1, 3 >> >> >> yeah, great *sarcasm*, let's add another bullet point to a microsoft >> presentation titled

Re: questions about Base---do we need an embedded DB?

2013-03-26 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > On 3/26/13 3:35 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > > > >> My ordered preference would be 1, 3 > > > > > > yeah, great *sarcasm*, let's add another bullet point to a microsoft > > presentation t

Re: questions about Base---do we need an embedded DB?

2013-03-26 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 3/26/13 5:34 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > >> On 3/26/13 3:35 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: >>> On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >>> My ordered preference would be 1, 3 >>> >>> >>> yeah, great *sarcasm*, let's add ano

Re: questions about Base---do we need an embedded DB?

2013-03-26 Thread Kay Schenk
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: > Hi Kay, > > On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 03:58:06PM -0700, Kay Schenk wrote: > > Well no doubt this may start a rather heated discussion. > > One of my favorites quotes about Base is from Andreas Säger (villeroy on > the forums): > > "The

Re: w7snap build error

2013-03-26 Thread Andrew Rist
On 3/26/2013 12:40 AM, Herbert Dürr wrote: On 2013/03/26 8:23 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 12:08:38PM +0100, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: I have committed the suggested patch from Ariel. Herbert was so kind to trigger the buildbot. It seems this doesn't fix anyt

Re: questions about Base---do we need an embedded DB?

2013-03-26 Thread Kay Schenk
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Jürgen Schmidt >wrote: > > > On 3/26/13 3:35 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > > > > > >> My ordered preference would be 1, 3 > > > > > > > > > yeah, g

Re: questions about Base---do we need an embedded DB?

2013-03-26 Thread janI
On 26 March 2013 18:16, Kay Schenk wrote: > On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Jürgen Schmidt > >wrote: > > > > > On 3/26/13 3:35 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > > > > On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Rob Weir > wrote: > > > > > > > >

RE: questions about Base---do we need an embedded DB?

2013-03-26 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I support the 1, 3, 2 prioritization. With regard to the first item (1) below, Microsoft Office 2013 Access is now provided with the Office 365 Home Premium subscription and all Office 365 Business subscriptions that include the current (now 2013) Microsoft Office desktop applications. With

Re: annoying input field popup

2013-03-26 Thread Hagar Delest
Adding OP in CC since not subscribed. Have a look at: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=33737 As a courtesy I have sent a copy of this reply to you as well as to the mailing list. Do Not reply to me personally but just to the list at or - replies to my personal email address will

Re: updating Splashscreen

2013-03-26 Thread Hagar Delest
Le 26/03/2013 15:05, Rob Weir a écrit : But I think we should align with the user's thinking at this point. They've launched OpenOffice, presumable *to do a task*. They are not researching the license. They are not looking to find out the list of OpenOffice contributors. They have work to do a

Re: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: AOO 4.0 getting rid of the 3 layer office, part 1

2013-03-26 Thread Andrea Pescetti
Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: If dictionaries were ALv2, for sure AOO would include them, as Sun/Oracle did (this was something the native-lang asked for long time). So this is something we use with dictionaries just because we cannot include them by default. In the case of dictionaries (which i

Re: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: AOO 4.0 getting rid of the 3 layer office, part 1

2013-03-26 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 11:03:09AM +0100, Andre Fischer wrote: > >>>IMO it was a non-sense from the beginning to develop these as > >>>extensions (at least the presentation minimizer and the presenter > >>>screen, that have no external dependencies). > >>I disagree and I don't see why this change

Re: questions about Base---do we need an embedded DB?

2013-03-26 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak
I like an embedded DB for those times that I desire a small DB for small data that is relational. For larger data sets, the embedded DB is insufficient. I see that you specifically ask about an embedded DB, yet some of the answers are related to Base in general. -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macr

Re: updating Splashscreen

2013-03-26 Thread Samer Mansour
I've taken the feedback down, I will follow up on this. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4+-+Application+And+Launcher Agree less is better. I think there is a better way to recognize contributors such as a hyperlink in the about screen. Much like credits, it can be update

Re: [UX] Design Exploration - AOO 4.0 Sidebar Specific Content Panel Design

2013-03-26 Thread Xin Li
Hi all, The sidebar design proposal for AOO 4.0 has been uploaded to AOO UX wiki: http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_UX_Design_Exploration_-_Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_User_Interface_Design_Proposals#Sidebar_Content_Panel_-_UX_Design_propoals We have three parts: 1. Overview visual information d

Re: questions about Base---do we need an embedded DB?

2013-03-26 Thread Guy Waterval
Hi Rob, Hi all, 2013/3/26 Rob Weir > On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: > > Well no doubt this may start a rather heated discussion. I started > looking > > into the history of the Base component, who is using it now (looked into > > Forums, users discussion list), and finally c

Re: Questions about sidebar feature

2013-03-26 Thread Yi Xuan Liu
Andre, thanks for your explanation. I'll create test cases according to these files On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Andre Fischer wrote: > On 25.03.2013 08:35, Yi Xuan Liu wrote: > >> hi, all: >> >> I've noticed that a new sidebar build is available on sidebar wiki. I've >> tried to use, and fo

Re: questions about Base---do we need an embedded DB?

2013-03-26 Thread Guy Waterval
Hi Andrew, Hi all, 2013/3/27 Andrew Douglas Pitonyak > > I like an embedded DB for those times that I desire a small DB for small > data that is relational. For larger data sets, the embedded DB is > insufficient. > Indeed, end users and a lot of little structures could take profit of a little