Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-08-01 Thread Roberto Galoppini
2013/7/31 Andrea Pescetti > On 30/07/2013 Rob Weir wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Roberto Galoppini wrote: >> >>> If your extension is compatible with AOO 4.0, please take a moment to >>> update the extension's compatibility information so that end-users will >>> know it works with

Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-07-31 Thread Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
Hi, On 31.07.2013 13:12, Andrea Pescetti wrote: On 30/07/2013 Rob Weir wrote: On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Roberto Galoppini wrote: If your extension is compatible with AOO 4.0, please take a moment to update the extension's compatibility information so that end-users will know it works wi

Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-07-31 Thread Andrea Pescetti
On 30/07/2013 Rob Weir wrote: On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Roberto Galoppini wrote: If your extension is compatible with AOO 4.0, please take a moment to update the extension's compatibility information so that end-users will know it works with the latest release. If your extension is not co

Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-07-30 Thread Hagar Delest
Top posting Same as Rob. Hagar Le 30/07/2013 15:55, Rob Weir a écrit : On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Roberto Galoppini wrote: 2013/7/29 Roberto Galoppini 2013/7/27 Rob Weir On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 4:59 PM, Roberto Galoppini wrote: 2013/7/27 Rob Weir On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 5

Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-07-30 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Roberto Galoppini wrote: > 2013/7/29 Roberto Galoppini > >> >> >> >> 2013/7/27 Rob Weir >> >>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 4:59 PM, Roberto Galoppini >>> wrote: >>> > 2013/7/27 Rob Weir >>> > >>> >> On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 5:59 PM, Hagar Delest < >>> hagar.del...@l

Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-07-30 Thread Roberto Galoppini
2013/7/29 Roberto Galoppini > > > > 2013/7/27 Rob Weir > >> On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 4:59 PM, Roberto Galoppini >> wrote: >> > 2013/7/27 Rob Weir >> > >> >> On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 5:59 PM, Hagar Delest < >> hagar.del...@laposte.net> >> >> wrote: >> >> > Le 26/07/2013 15:40, Roberto Galoppini a

Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-07-29 Thread Roberto Galoppini
2013/7/27 Rob Weir > On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 4:59 PM, Roberto Galoppini > wrote: > > 2013/7/27 Rob Weir > > > >> On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 5:59 PM, Hagar Delest > > >> wrote: > >> > Le 26/07/2013 15:40, Roberto Galoppini a écrit : > >> > > >> >> A) a link to a version compatible with AOO 4.0 has

Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-07-27 Thread Rob Weir
On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 4:59 PM, Roberto Galoppini wrote: > 2013/7/27 Rob Weir > >> On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 5:59 PM, Hagar Delest >> wrote: >> > Le 26/07/2013 15:40, Roberto Galoppini a écrit : >> > >> >> A) a link to a version compatible with AOO 4.0 has been added for >> >> http://extensions.o

Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-07-27 Thread Roberto Galoppini
2013/7/27 Rob Weir > On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 5:59 PM, Hagar Delest > wrote: > > Le 26/07/2013 15:40, Roberto Galoppini a écrit : > > > >> A) a link to a version compatible with AOO 4.0 has been added for > >> http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/pdfimport and > >> http://extensions.openof

Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-07-27 Thread Andrea Pescetti
On 26/07/2013 Hagar Delest wrote: Here we are. The first messages (ML and forum) about incompatibility are coming. I'm keeping http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Extensions/Extensions_and_Apache_OpenOffice_4.0 up-to-date with what is reported on this list. Feel free to collect further information

Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-07-26 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 5:59 PM, Hagar Delest wrote: > Le 26/07/2013 15:40, Roberto Galoppini a écrit : > >> A) a link to a version compatible with AOO 4.0 has been added for >> http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/pdfimport and >> http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/mysql_connector

Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-07-26 Thread Hagar Delest
Le 26/07/2013 15:40, Roberto Galoppini a écrit : A) a link to a version compatible with AOO 4.0 has been added for http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/pdfimport and http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/mysql_connector B) 4.0" has been added to the list of possible compatibilities.

Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-07-26 Thread Roberto Galoppini
2013/7/26 Hagar Delest > Top posting. > > Here we are. The first messages (ML and forum) about incompatibility are > coming. > The identified extensions (with toolbar and not updated for 4.0) should be > at least tagged in the extension site as not compatible with 4.0. > This has been already d

Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-07-26 Thread Hagar Delest
Top posting. Here we are. The first messages (ML and forum) about incompatibility are coming. The identified extensions (with toolbar and not updated for 4.0) should be at least tagged in the extension site as not compatible with 4.0. A quick tutorial on how to update the extension in case auth

Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-03-07 Thread Roberto Galoppini
On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Herbert Dürr wrote: > On 2013/03/07 11:41 AM, Roberto Galoppini wrote: >> >> Below the list of Extensions top downloads during the last month: >> >> #1 http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/node/3620 Monthly: 1725 >> [...] >> >> #50 http://extensions.services.op

Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-03-07 Thread Herbert Dürr
On 2013/03/07 11:41 AM, Roberto Galoppini wrote: Below the list of Extensions top downloads during the last month: #1 http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/node/3620 Monthly: 1725 [...] #50 http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/node/3409 Monthly: 42 The extension popularity list is ver

Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-03-07 Thread Roberto Galoppini
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > On 2/25/13 4:36 PM, Roberto Galoppini wrote: >> On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Jürgen Schmidt >> wrote: >>> On 2/21/13 10:05 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 09:22:34AM +0100, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: >>> Th

Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-02-25 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 2/25/13 4:36 PM, Roberto Galoppini wrote: > On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: >> On 2/21/13 10:05 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: >>> On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 09:22:34AM +0100, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: >> The first step should be a simple check if an Addons.xcu is >> c

Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-02-25 Thread Roberto Galoppini
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > On 2/21/13 10:05 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: >> On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 09:22:34AM +0100, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > The first step should be a simple check if an Addons.xcu is > contained at all. Something like "unzip -l | grep >

Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-02-21 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 2/21/13 10:05 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: > On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 09:22:34AM +0100, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: The first step should be a simple check if an Addons.xcu is contained at all. Something like "unzip -l | grep Addons.xcu" should be enough. The second step if an

Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-02-21 Thread Joost Andrae
Hi, It would also be interesting to know the last time the extension was updated; besides that expecting unmaintained extensions to work on a new major release might not be plausible, the extension is likely not be adapted to any change if it is unmaintained, no matter how popular it is (exampl

Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-02-21 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 09:22:34AM +0100, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > >> The first step should be a simple check if an Addons.xcu is contained at > >> all. Something like "unzip -l | grep Addons.xcu" should be > >> enough. The second step if an Addons.xcu is contained is to check for > >> the "" entry

Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-02-21 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 2/20/13 8:14 PM, Roberto Galoppini wrote: > On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > >> On 2/17/13 10:36 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: >>> On 12/02/2013 Jürgen Schmidt wrote: If we support both the underlying code would be more complex, slower and more ugly to maintain. >

Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-02-20 Thread Roberto Galoppini
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > On 2/17/13 10:36 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > > On 12/02/2013 Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > >> If we support both the > >> underlying code would be more complex, slower and more ugly to maintain. > > > > OK. I had understood this part, so let's ha

Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-02-17 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 2/17/13 10:36 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > On 12/02/2013 Jürgen Schmidt wrote: >> If we support both the >> underlying code would be more complex, slower and more ugly to maintain. > > OK. I had understood this part, so let's have a detailed description of > the impact before we see how to hand

Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-02-17 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > My impression was that even if we made no changes, from the user's > perspective, they would lose all extensions. This is due to the > change in base directory for the profile. So all extensions would be > lost and need to be reinstalled. So th

Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-02-17 Thread Andrea Pescetti
On 12/02/2013 Jürgen Schmidt wrote: If we support both the underlying code would be more complex, slower and more ugly to maintain. OK. I had understood this part, so let's have a detailed description of the impact before we see how to handle this. The whole discussion is really based on as

Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-02-12 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Hagar Delest wrote: > Le 12/02/2013 13:05, Rob Weir a écrit : > >> I don't know. I was asking a question. But I think this is an >> important question: Why would an extension author not update their >> extension for AOO 4.0? Some hypothetical answers: >> >> 1)

Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-02-12 Thread Hagar Delest
Le 12/02/2013 13:05, Rob Weir a écrit : I don't know. I was asking a question. But I think this is an important question: Why would an extension author not update their extension for AOO 4.0? Some hypothetical answers: 1) The extension is unmaintained One of the top reasons I guess. I mysl

Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-02-12 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 01:42:42PM +0100, Joost Andrae wrote: > Hi, > > in the moment I have just one question in mind: > > Who's going to adapt the Sun/Oracle extensions that contain > Addons.xcu like presentation-minimizer.oxt ? This extension does not provide a toolbar of its own, it uses onl

Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-02-12 Thread Rory O'Farrell
On Tue, 12 Feb 2013 15:06:27 +0100 Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > On 2/12/13 2:15 PM, Rory O'Farrell wrote: > > On Tue, 12 Feb 2013 14:07:59 +0100 > > Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > > > >> On 2/12/13 1:42 PM, Joost Andrae wrote: > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> in the moment I have just one question in mind: > >>> > >>

Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-02-12 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 2/12/13 2:15 PM, Rory O'Farrell wrote: > On Tue, 12 Feb 2013 14:07:59 +0100 > Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > >> On 2/12/13 1:42 PM, Joost Andrae wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> in the moment I have just one question in mind: >>> >>> Who's going to adapt the Sun/Oracle extensions that contain Addons.xcu >>> li

Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-02-12 Thread Rory O'Farrell
On Tue, 12 Feb 2013 14:07:59 +0100 Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > On 2/12/13 1:42 PM, Joost Andrae wrote: > > Hi, > > > > in the moment I have just one question in mind: > > > > Who's going to adapt the Sun/Oracle extensions that contain Addons.xcu > > like presentation-minimizer.oxt ? > > well the e

Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-02-12 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 2/12/13 1:42 PM, Joost Andrae wrote: > Hi, > > in the moment I have just one question in mind: > > Who's going to adapt the Sun/Oracle extensions that contain Addons.xcu > like presentation-minimizer.oxt ? well the extensions where we have the source code can be changed by volunteers. Maybe d

Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-02-12 Thread Joost Andrae
Hi, in the moment I have just one question in mind: Who's going to adapt the Sun/Oracle extensions that contain Addons.xcu like presentation-minimizer.oxt ? 8) Inconvenience -- it is natural for anyone to complain about needing to do additional work where they don't see the advantage. So i

Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-02-12 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 4:11 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > On 2/12/13 12:41 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >> On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 5:37 PM, Hagar Delest >> wrote: >>> Le 11/02/2013 22:46, Rob Weir a écrit : My impression was that even if we made no changes, from the user's perspective, they

Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-02-12 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 2/12/13 12:41 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 5:37 PM, Hagar Delest > wrote: >> Le 11/02/2013 22:46, Rob Weir a écrit : >>> >>> My impression was that even if we made no changes, from the user's >>> perspective, they would lose all extensions. This is due to the >>> change in ba

Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-02-12 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 2/12/13 12:03 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > On 11/02/2013 Hagar Delest wrote: >> No real problem with reinstalling extensions after a major upgrade, I've >> done that too. >> But there is a difference between the mere inconvenience of reinstalling >> extensions and losing them completely (waiting

Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-02-11 Thread Rob Weir
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:03 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: >> On 11/02/2013 Hagar Delest wrote: >>> >>> No real problem with reinstalling extensions after a major upgrade, I've >>> done that too. >>> But there is a difference between the mere inconv

Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-02-11 Thread Rob Weir
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:03 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > On 11/02/2013 Hagar Delest wrote: >> >> No real problem with reinstalling extensions after a major upgrade, I've >> done that too. >> But there is a difference between the mere inconvenience of reinstalling >> extensions and losing them com

Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-02-11 Thread Rob Weir
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 5:37 PM, Hagar Delest wrote: > Le 11/02/2013 22:46, Rob Weir a écrit : >> >> My impression was that even if we made no changes, from the user's >> perspective, they would lose all extensions. This is due to the >> change in base directory for the profile. So all extension

Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-02-11 Thread Andrea Pescetti
On 11/02/2013 Hagar Delest wrote: No real problem with reinstalling extensions after a major upgrade, I've done that too. But there is a difference between the mere inconvenience of reinstalling extensions and losing them completely (waiting that someone dare update them). The real issue is her

Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-02-11 Thread Hagar Delest
Le 11/02/2013 22:46, Rob Weir a écrit : My impression was that even if we made no changes, from the user's perspective, they would lose all extensions. This is due to the change in base directory for the profile. So all extensions would be lost and need to be reinstalled. So there will be no d

Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-02-11 Thread Rob Weir
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Hagar Delest wrote: > You certainly have seen from the 0^0 discussion that I have raised the > problem of the backward compatibility with 4.0 and extensions. In fact, it > affects only the extensions with a custom toolbar. But except the > dictionaries, I guess tha

4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-02-11 Thread Hagar Delest
You certainly have seen from the 0^0 discussion that I have raised the problem of the backward compatibility with 4.0 and extensions. In fact, it affects only the extensions with a custom toolbar. But except the dictionaries, I guess that it makes a good deal of them still. The problem has bee