Re: [DISCUSS] modify project bylaws: default to Majority Approval for votes

2014-11-26 Thread Erik de Bruin
Justin, This discussion is about the particular change that is explained in the vote. Any discussion about other changes should be in another thread, so we don't cloud the issue at hand and needlessly drag out this discussion. Both sides gave laid out their arguments. It is now time to vote. EdB

Re: [DISCUSS] modify project bylaws: default to Majority Approval for votes

2014-11-26 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, >> This message [1] from you appears to say that the default is consensus. Because it is what is specified on most non release votes we have taken ie appointing committers or PMC members. A couple of votes were specified differently eg voting in the guidelines (2/3rds Majority Approval) and

Re: [DISCUSS] modify project bylaws: default to Majority Approval for votes

2014-11-26 Thread Rich Bowen
On 11/26/2014 04:24 PM, Alex Harui wrote: On 11/26/14, 12:37 PM, "Justin Mclean" wrote: Hi, https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/Guidelines says the default is "consensus" It's not the default as such but more a safety net to what is used if the type of vote isn't specified i

Re: [DISCUSS] modify project bylaws: default to Majority Approval for votes

2014-11-26 Thread Alex Harui
On 11/26/14, 12:37 PM, "Justin Mclean" wrote: >Hi, > >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/Guidelines says the >>default is "consensus" > >It's not the default as such but more a safety net to what is used if the >type of vote isn't specified in the VOTE email or covered by any of t

Re: [DISCUSS] modify project bylaws: default to Majority Approval for votes

2014-11-26 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/Guidelines says the default > is "consensus" It's not the default as such but more a safety net to what is used if the type of vote isn't specified in the VOTE email or covered by any of the other guidelines (ie very rarely). It's only be

Re: [DISCUSS] modify project bylaws: default to Majority Approval for votes

2014-11-26 Thread Erik de Bruin
... and we're already 4 emails in a thread that shouldn't even exist :-( For the people (especially PMCs) not keeping up with the other conversations currently going on, I'll summarize (summarise?) what prompted this VOTE: Bertrand Delacretaz, one of our former mentors and a Apache Board member,

Re: [DISCUSS] modify project bylaws: default to Majority Approval for votes

2014-11-26 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Erik de Bruin wrote: > "As per Apache best practices and Bertrand's suggestion, I propose we > change the following line in our bylaws [...]"... IIUC this is based on my remark in another thread that http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html specifies that -1 o

Re: [DISCUSS] modify project bylaws: default to Majority Approval for votes

2014-11-26 Thread Erik de Bruin
"As per Apache best practices and Bertrand's suggestion, I propose we change the following line in our bylaws [...]" What is unclear about that? EdB On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Jeffry Houser wrote: > >> I think the introduction in the VOTE >> clearly states my reason for calling it. > >

Re: [DISCUSS] modify project bylaws: default to Majority Approval for votes

2014-11-26 Thread Jeffry Houser
I think the introduction in the VOTE clearly states my reason for calling it. I just reread your vote request and do not understand, nor see any reason for the change. I am left unsure what the issue is that brought this topic up; or what the implications are of the change are. Can yo

Re: [DISCUSS] modify project bylaws: default to Majority Approval for votes

2014-11-26 Thread Erik de Bruin
I intentionally didn't start a DISCUSS, given the whole discussion about long discussions ... I think the introduction in the VOTE clearly states my reason for calling it. EdB On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > It is customary to call for a discussion before votin

[DISCUSS] modify project bylaws: default to Majority Approval for votes

2014-11-26 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, It is customary to call for a discussion before voting. Can I ask what you are trying at achieve here? This would only effect VOTES where the voting method is not specified, and that's quite rare. Off the top of my head I think it's only happened once in this project (and that was an acci