RE: [DISCUSS] Discuss Release Apache Flex SDK Installer 3.1 - RC3

2014-06-29 Thread Alex Harui
This is why Erik suggests a legal-discuss@flex.a.o ML: so you and I can argue this without polluting the dev list with noise. From: Justin Mclean [jus...@classsoftware.com] Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 11:08 PM To: dev@flex.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS]

Re: [DISCUSS] Discuss Release Apache Flex SDK Installer 3.1 - RC3

2014-06-29 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, >> Check out this link. I think it disagrees. >> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/201405.mbox/%3cCAAS6=7iGt0xW4oBe0sSXC7RzGgDP=kubhgkojzuezbbirq2...@mail.gmail.com%3e A little further down it also says that release candidates are "packages are intended for develop

Re: [DISCUSS] Discuss Release Apache Flex SDK Installer 3.1 - RC3

2014-06-29 Thread OmPrakash Muppirala
On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 10:26 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > Again, this script does not decide on the correctness of the > LICENSE/NOTICE, so every time some one or the same person runs it, there is > the same chance they will catch an error as if they had typed the > command-line commands themselves.

Re: [DISCUSS] Discuss Release Apache Flex SDK Installer 3.1 - RC3

2014-06-29 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > Check out this link. I think it disagrees. > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/201405.mbox/%3cCAAS6=7iGt0xW4oBe0sSXC7RzGgDP=kubhgkojzuezbbirq2...@mail.gmail.com%3e This is basically from [1] and that it is referring to links from our web site, I think in this cas

RE: [DISCUSS] Discuss Release Apache Flex SDK Installer 3.1 - RC3

2014-06-29 Thread Alex Harui
Back to technical topics: I think I am going to go with adding another attribute to config-4.0.xml and have the 4.13.0 and FlexJS 0.0.2 release use them. This will require a new installer RC as well since installer has to pass that new attribute to the ant script. The attribute will be called

RE: [DISCUSS] Discuss Release Apache Flex SDK Installer 3.1 - RC3

2014-06-29 Thread Alex Harui
From: Erik de Bruin [e...@ixsoftware.nl] Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 10:57 AM To: dev@flex.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Discuss Release Apache Flex SDK Installer 3.1 - RC3 >Also, I suggest that we keep to the actual voting rules: when 72 hrs pass, >t

RE: [DISCUSS] Discuss Release Apache Flex SDK Installer 3.1 - RC3

2014-06-29 Thread Alex Harui
From: Justin Mclean [jus...@classsoftware.com] Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 5:30 PM To: dev@flex.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Discuss Release Apache Flex SDK Installer 3.1 - RC3 Hi, >>> 2) A slower release candidate cycle would help, IMO you'll get mo

RE: [DISCUSS] Discuss Release Apache Flex SDK Installer 3.1 - RC3

2014-06-29 Thread Alex Harui
Again, this script does not decide on the correctness of the LICENSE/NOTICE, so every time some one or the same person runs it, there is the same chance they will catch an error as if they had typed the command-line commands themselves. The script does not vote for you, it is only intended to

RE: [DISCUSS] Discuss Apache Flex SDK 4.13.0 RC2

2014-06-29 Thread Alex Harui
Thanks for catching that. I think I have learned that we can link to the Adobe version. I will make the adjustments. -Alex From: Justin Mclean [jus...@classsoftware.com] Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 6:25 PM To: dev@flex.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] D

RE: [DISCUSS] Discuss Apache Flex SDK 4.13.0 RC2

2014-06-29 Thread Alex Harui
OK, will take a look From: Justin Mclean [jus...@classsoftware.com] Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 8:50 PM To: dev@flex.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Discuss Apache Flex SDK 4.13.0 RC2 Hi, Also we do have a potential issue, while it not on the core list o

Re: [VOTE] Apache Flex SDK 4.13.0 RC2

2014-06-29 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, +0 binding for now. While the RSL issue is not blocking as such, it will most likely cause issues. On OSX I checked: - Signatures good - NOTICE and LICENSE good - README/RELEASE_NOTE fine - source release matches git tag (except flex config file) - flex description looks good - flex framewor

Re: [DISCUSS] Discuss Apache Flex SDK 4.13.0 RC2

2014-06-29 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, Also we do have a potential issue, while it not on the core list of things to check it has the potential to cause issues with RSLs. The flex config file doesn't match what's is in version control - it has the correct build number rather than the ${build.number} tokens, when compiling the S

[OT] Happy Birthday Flex

2014-06-29 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, A bit belated but Flex is now more than 10 years old. Version 1 was release by Macromedia way back on March 29 2004 [1]. Justin 1. http://web.archive.org/web/20040405040959/http://www.macromedia.com/macromedia/proom/pr/2004/flex_available.html

Re: [DISCUSS] Discuss Apache Flex SDK 4.13.0 RC2

2014-06-29 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, They all seem to be popping out of the woodwork - sigh. Just found this: ./apache-flex-sdk-4.13.0-src/asdoc/templates/images/AirIcon12x12.gif It's used to indicate what API elements are supported only in AIR - something very useful in the documentation. Persons sensitive to legal matters p

Re: [DISCUSS] Discuss Release Apache Flex SDK Installer 3.1 - RC3

2014-06-29 Thread Justin Mclean
HI, > The approval scripts attempt to get you to vote with less hassle. Again to make clear a script is in no way a replacement for voting. Don't get me wrong it's very useful as a basic check and hopefully that will mean people will vote more. But put it this way, running the script 1000 tim

Re: [DISCUSS] Discuss Release Apache Flex SDK Installer 3.1 - RC3

2014-06-29 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, >> 2) A slower release candidate cycle would help, IMO you'll get more >> reviews, more testing and less release candidates overall. > Fewer releases per year doesn't sound helpful to the community. release candidate != release I'm talking about how often RCs are produced in a single release

Re: [DISCUSS] Discuss Release Apache Flex SDK Installer 3.1 - RC3

2014-06-29 Thread Erik de Bruin
> > >OK, that's nice and all, but let's get into specifics. What do you suggest > >we do to simplify and speed up the release process of the separate > >projects? > The approval scripts attempt to get you to vote with less hassle. There > could be more improvements in the scripts to show diffs in

Re: flex-sdk_mustella - Build # 967 - Still Failing!

2014-06-29 Thread Erik de Bruin
I've rebooted the VM again, let's see if the pattern does indeed hold true. EdB On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 6:22 PM, wrote: > flex-sdk_mustella - Build # 967 - Still Failing: > > http://flex-mustella.cloudapp.net/job/flex-sdk_mustella/967/ > > Changes for Build #965 > > Changes for Build #966 >

Re: [DISCUSS] Discuss Release Apache Flex SDK Installer 3.1 - RC3

2014-06-29 Thread Alex Harui
On 6/29/14 9:10 AM, "Erik de Bruin" wrote: >> >> something that's missing. We are not allowed to use nightly builds as a >> rapid release mechanism. >> > >That is silly. I think we should beat the lawyers at their own game and >just refrain from calling the nightlies "releases" and proceed to

Re: [DISCUSS] Discuss Release Apache Flex SDK Installer 3.1 - RC3

2014-06-29 Thread Erik de Bruin
> > something that's missing. We are not allowed to use nightly builds as a > rapid release mechanism. > That is silly. I think we should beat the lawyers at their own game and just refrain from calling the nightlies "releases" and proceed to make them the way early adopters meet FlexJS. The re

Re: flex-sdk_mustella - Build # 966 - Still Failing!

2014-06-29 Thread Alex Harui
I didn't look back too far, but it appears there is a hudson class in the first failure and after that we get Git failures? For the hudson failure (which is Jenkins, right?) I note that the failure was on one of the last batches of tests that are in a mustella run. Does jenkins try to timeout aft

Re: [DISCUSS] Discuss Release Apache Flex SDK Installer 3.1 - RC3

2014-06-29 Thread Alex Harui
On 6/29/14 8:27 AM, "Erik de Bruin" wrote: >> >> the community. We need to make this process simpler and faster. We're >> going to have six releases once we start shipping BlazeDS. >> > >What are the pros and cons of having one monolithic "Apache Flex All" >release 4 times a year. All subproj

Re: [DISCUSS] Discuss Release Apache Flex SDK Installer 3.1 - RC3

2014-06-29 Thread Erik de Bruin
> > the community. We need to make this process simpler and faster. We're > going to have six releases once we start shipping BlazeDS. > What are the pros and cons of having one monolithic "Apache Flex All" release 4 times a year. All subprojects depend on one another anyway, why not aim for inc

Re: [DISCUSS] Discuss Release Apache Flex SDK Installer 3.1 - RC3

2014-06-29 Thread Alex Harui
On 6/29/14 7:29 AM, "Justin Mclean" wrote: >Hi, > >> And then, if your answer is yes, as a release manager, I would request a >> couple of things. > >And in return I also like to request a few things: > >1) The RM shouldn't assume everyone can do this as a full time job What gave you that impre

Re: flex-sdk_mustella - Build # 966 - Still Failing!

2014-06-29 Thread Erik de Bruin
OK, this is now happening every cycle: I reboot the VM. The first Mustella 'main' runs fine and passes. The next run however fails with a complicated seemingly Java related issue. Every next run fails as above, until I reboot. Rinse, repeat. I'm at a loss what is going on... EdB On Sun, Jun 29

Re: [DISCUSS] Discuss Release Apache Flex SDK Installer 3.1 - RC3

2014-06-29 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > And then, if your answer is yes, as a release manager, I would request a > couple of things. And in return I also like to request a few things: 1) The RM shouldn't assume everyone can do this as a full time job, reviewing release properly is difficult and sometime the issues are not easy

AW: Including the Flashplayer in the SDK?

2014-06-29 Thread Christofer Dutz
Ok ... so then I would vote for this to be downloaded too ... I would really like to make the Mavenizer also create runtime artifacts with the Flashplayer :-) Chris -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Justin Mclean [mailto:jus...@classsoftware.com] Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. Juni 2014 11:22 An

Re: [DISCUSS] Discuss Release Apache Flex SDK Installer 3.1 - RC3

2014-06-29 Thread Erik de Bruin
I'm not saying the update isn't important, I'm saying the differences to the APIs and even player internals (if any) are too small to particularly matter from a Flex dev's point of view. EdB On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > > The differences between 14 and 14b

Re: Dedicated Windows Agent

2014-06-29 Thread Erik de Bruin
Today it runs in a continuing cycle, day in day out - unless something crashes it, which is fairly often... A full run (main, AIR and mobile tests) takes about 14 hours to complete. Each full run is against one FP/AIR version pair. Currently I maintain 4 such pairs: 11.1/3.7, 11.7/3.7, 13/4 and 14/

Re: Including the Flashplayer in the SDK?

2014-06-29 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > So is there a reason for us not downloading the stand-alone flash player? > Would be really cool if we did ;-) No reason as far as I know (as long as your not distributing it as they would need a license). I'd say it's mostly due to teh fact that it's usually installed and you don't need

Including the Flashplayer in the SDK?

2014-06-29 Thread Christofer Dutz
Hi, currently the installer downloads the Air SDK (containing the libraries and the runtime) but for Flash we only download the playerglobal. I am currently working on mavenizing the runtime artifacts so Flexmojos can pick them up via maven and usem without having to add a flashplayer executable

Re: [DISCUSS] Discuss Release Apache Flex SDK Installer 3.1 - RC3

2014-06-29 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > The differences between 14 and 14b are probably too small to matter. I believe it include updated OpenSSL libs that are not effected by heart bleed - that's probably important even if it's only perception. I think I saw some Android apps were being rejected because of using the wrong vers

AW: Dedicated Windows Agent

2014-06-29 Thread Christofer Dutz
OK ... so now the next question ... how often and how long does the Mustella suite need to run? Chris -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Erik de Bruin [mailto:e...@ixsoftware.nl] Gesendet: Samstag, 28. Juni 2014 19:02 An: dev@flex.apache.org Betreff: Re: Dedicated Windows Agent The Azure V

Re: [DISCUSS] Discuss Release Apache Flex SDK Installer 3.1 - RC3

2014-06-29 Thread OmPrakash Muppirala
On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 12:01 AM, Erik de Bruin wrote: > The differences between 14 and 14b are probably too small to matter. I > wouldn't worry too much and don't offer beta installs if they are on the > same version. Just re-activate the beta installs when they start the 15 > cycle, and stop it

Re: [DISCUSS] Discuss Release Apache Flex SDK Installer 3.1 - RC3

2014-06-29 Thread Erik de Bruin
The differences between 14 and 14b are probably too small to matter. I wouldn't worry too much and don't offer beta installs if they are on the same version. Just re-activate the beta installs when they start the 15 cycle, and stop it again once there is a 15 release. EdB On Sun, Jun 29, 2014