Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-15 Thread Steven Gill
Agree with your points Carlos. We should make issues for some of this. Would love to see a cordova outdated command. On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Carlos Santana wrote: > I'm back from vacation, sorry I missed all the fun on version numbering :-) > > +1 on 4.x for CLI > > Things I see as to

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-15 Thread Carlos Santana
I'm back from vacation, sorry I missed all the fun on version numbering :-) +1 on 4.x for CLI Things I see as to continue to enhance. - Better explain each component and how they relate (in function and dependency) on the website/docs - Put some of the brains into the cli to better illustrate a

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-14 Thread Marcel Kinard
Pull request has been merged. Thanks for the feedback. On Oct 14, 2014, at 3:03 AM, Steven Gill wrote: > Lgtm! Ship! > > I'll point to it in the blog post. > > On Monday, October 13, 2014, Marcel Kinard wrote: > >> After all this discussion, it's a bit unclear to me where we are currently >>

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-14 Thread Steven Gill
Lgtm! Ship! I'll point to it in the blog post. On Monday, October 13, 2014, Marcel Kinard wrote: > After all this discussion, it's a bit unclear to me where we are currently > at. So I took a shot at capturing it in writing it for coho/docs/ > versioning-and-release-strategy.md. > > https://git

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-13 Thread Andrew Grieve
Thanks Marcel, doc spells things out very clearly. On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Marcel Kinard wrote: > After all this discussion, it's a bit unclear to me where we are currently > at. So I took a shot at capturing it in writing it for coho/docs/ > versioning-and-release-strategy.md. > > http

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-13 Thread Marcel Kinard
After all this discussion, it's a bit unclear to me where we are currently at. So I took a shot at capturing it in writing it for coho/docs/versioning-and-release-strategy.md. https://github.com/apache/cordova-coho/pull/53 I intend this to be the "Current State" of the discussion, not the "End

RE: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Chuck Lantz
>>versions are out. > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >Cordova info should also dump what > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >versions > of > > >> > plugins > > >> > > >> you &g

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Jesse
> >> > > > > > > >the next couple hours, otherwise we move forward. > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >@pu

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Michal Mocny
t; > >> > > > (All IMO of course, happy to follow the wisdom of the > >>crowd on > >> > > >>this > >> > > >> one.) > >> > > >> > > > On Oct 10, 2014 9:29 AM, "Micha

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Josh Soref
>> > > >> > > > On Oct 10, 2014 9:29 AM, "Michal Mocny" >> >> > > >>wrote: >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > 5 is also fine. >> > > >> > > > > >> >

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Steven Gill
gt;>wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > 5 is also fine. > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Brian LeRoux > > > >>wrote: > > > >> > &g

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Shazron
> > > > >> > > > > On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Brian LeRoux > > >>wrote: > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > I am against it. Its not going to achieve the goal of > > >>alleviating > > &

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Andrew Grieve
gt;> > > > > > I am against it. Its not going to achieve the goal of > >>alleviating > >> > > > > > confusion. People see the CLI as the version not the > >>platforms. > >> I'd > >> > > > > rather > >> &

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Jesse
> >>alleviating > >> > > > > > confusion. People see the CLI as the version not the > >>platforms. > >> I'd > >> > > > > rather > >> > > > > > we went to 5 if anything. > >> > > >

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN TECH)
gt; I'd >> > > > > rather >> > > > > > we went to 5 if anything. >> > > > > > On Oct 9, 2014 3:56 PM, "Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN >>TECH)" < >> > > > > > panar...@microsoft.com> wrote: >> >

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Victor Sosa
t; > strongly > > > > > > > >> > about calling it something the vote could be cancelled !! > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > On 10/9/14, 2:41 PM, "Chuck Lantz" > > > >

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Joe Bowser
> > > panar...@microsoft.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I meant tag and start the vote for the next release :) > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/9/14, 3:01 PM, "Chuck Lantz" wrote: > > > > > > >

RE: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Treggiari, Leo
com>] On Behalf Of Michal Mocny Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 1:47 PM To: Treggiari, Leo Cc: Michal Mocny; Marcel Kinard; dev Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary With this direction, there is no single number. Users should not functionally care about CLI version, so there will

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Brian LeRoux
rasimhan (MS OPEN TECH)" < > > > > panar...@microsoft.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I meant tag and start the vote for the next release :) > > > > > > > > > > On 10/9/14, 3:01 PM, "Chuck Lantz" w

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Michal Mocny
forward, it doesn't seem as if that should matter. > > Leo > > -Original Message- > From: brian.ler...@gmail.com [mailto:brian.ler...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of > Brian LeRoux > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 9:49 AM > To: dev@cordova.apache.org > Subject: Re: In

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Michal Mocny
wrote: > > > > > > > > >+1 > > > > > > > > > >-Chuck > > > > > > > > > >-Original Message- > > > > >From: Jesse [mailto:purplecabb...@gmail.com] > > > > >Sent: Thursday, October

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Michal Mocny
version of Cordova, and until I update it, every time I add a platform or > ‘core’ plugin, I get the same thing. > > > > Leo > > > > *From:* mmo...@google.com [mailto:mmo...@google.com] *On Behalf Of *Michal > Mocny > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 08, 2014 1:47 PM > *

RE: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Treggiari, Leo
ssage- From: brian.ler...@gmail.com [mailto:brian.ler...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Brian LeRoux Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 9:49 AM To: dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary As is 4. This is more of an outreach, marketing, blogging, tweeting, etc pr

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Brian LeRoux
> On 10/9/14, 3:01 PM, "Chuck Lantz" wrote: > > > > > > >+1 > > > > > > > >-Chuck > > > > > > > >-Original Message----- > > > >From: Jesse [mailto:purplecabb...@gmail.com] > > > >Se

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Michal Mocny
t; > > > >-Original Message- > > >From: Jesse [mailto:purplecabb...@gmail.com] > > >Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:55 PM > > >To: dev@cordova.apache.org > > >Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary > > > > > >+1 t

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Brian LeRoux
t tag and start the vote for the next release :) > > On 10/9/14, 3:01 PM, "Chuck Lantz" wrote: > > >+1 > > > >-Chuck > > > >-Original Message- > >From: Jesse [mailto:purplecabb...@gmail.com] > >Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:55

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-09 Thread Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN TECH)
>that >> when >> > >you platform add android, you may see an npm pull for >> > >cordova-android@4.3.2 and that is expected. It's just formalizing >> > >the message and allows independent platform rev'ing. >> > > >> > >-Chuck

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-09 Thread Terence M. Bandoian
ows Phone 8. These can be handled independently, but the CLI bug can't. https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-7670 -Chuck -Original Message- From: Treggiari, Leo [mailto:leo.treggi...@intel.com] Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:23 PM To: Michal Mocny Cc: Marcel Kinard; dev Subject: RE: Indepen

RE: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-09 Thread Chuck Lantz
+1 -Chuck -Original Message- From: Jesse [mailto:purplecabb...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:55 PM To: dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary +1 to not voting ;) , it implies we will wait 72 hours before moving on. How about if anyone

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-09 Thread Jesse
ependent platform rev'ing. > > > > > >-Chuck > > > > > >-Original Message- > > >From: Steven Gill [mailto:stevengil...@gmail.com] > > >Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:13 PM > > >To: dev@cordova.apache.org > > >Cc: Michal Moc

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-09 Thread Steven Gill
Steven Gill [mailto:stevengil...@gmail.com] > >Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:13 PM > >To: dev@cordova.apache.org > >Cc: Michal Mocny; Marcel Kinard > >Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary > > > >I think vladimir fixed the bug. We just need to

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-09 Thread Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN TECH)
It's just formalizing the >message and allows independent platform rev'ing. > >-Chuck > >-Original Message- >From: Steven Gill [mailto:stevengil...@gmail.com] >Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:13 PM >To: dev@cordova.apache.org >Cc: Michal Mocny; Marcel

RE: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-09 Thread Chuck Lantz
PM To: dev@cordova.apache.org Cc: Michal Mocny; Marcel Kinard Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary I think vladimir fixed the bug. We just need to release now. Only thing holding back the release now is consensus on the version of the cli. It seemed like most people were leaning tow

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-09 Thread Steven Gill
ese can be >>> handled >>> independently, but the CLI bug can't. >>> >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-7670 >>> >>> -Chuck >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Treggiari, Leo [mailto:leo

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-09 Thread Shazron
;>> out >>> the door while we are still talking? >>> >>> There are also a series of other bugs in the currently tagged "3.6.4" >>> platforms for Android, Windows, and Windows Phone 8. These can be >>> handled >>> independent

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-09 Thread Terence M. Bandoian
. These can be handled independently, but the CLI bug can't. https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-7670 -Chuck -Original Message- From: Treggiari, Leo [mailto:leo.treggi...@intel.com] Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:23 PM To: Michal Mocny Cc: Marcel Kinard; dev Subject: RE: Indepen

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-09 Thread Steven Gill
t the CLI bug can't. > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-7670 > > -Chuck > > -Original Message- > From: Treggiari, Leo [mailto:leo.treggi...@intel.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:23 PM > To: Michal Mocny > Cc: Marcel Kinard; dev > Subject: RE: In

RE: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-09 Thread Chuck Lantz
ck -Original Message- From: Treggiari, Leo [mailto:leo.treggi...@intel.com] Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:23 PM To: Michal Mocny Cc: Marcel Kinard; dev Subject: RE: Independent platform release summary I’ll have to admit that this seems a bit weird. That is, independent versions of the

RE: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-09 Thread Treggiari, Leo
: Treggiari, Leo Cc: Michal Mocny; Marcel Kinard; dev Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary With this direction, there is no single number. Users should not functionally care about CLI version, so there will just be the platform versions that matter, really. Downstreams can of course put

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-09 Thread Michal Mocny
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Michal Mocny wrote: > Thanks everyone for participation in what was a long and grueling > discussion. > > Summary of current proposal: > - Cad-ver is dead. > - Everything moves Sem-ver, with platforms continuing from current > versions and diverging over time. > -

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-08 Thread Josh Soref
Michal Mocny wrote: >Thanks everyone for participation in what was a long and grueling >discussion. > >Summary of current proposal: >- Cad-ver is dead. >- Everything moves Sem-ver, with platforms continuing from current >versions >and diverging over time. >- CLI potentially gets a significant vers

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-08 Thread Michal Mocny
or > something". > > Thanks, > Leo > > -Original Message- > From: mmo...@google.com [mailto:mmo...@google.com] On Behalf Of Michal > Mocny > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 1:13 PM > To: Michal Mocny > Cc: Marcel Kinard; dev > Subject: Re: Independent platf

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-08 Thread Josh Soref
Leo wrote: >I don't think we closed on this (I had to leave the meeting a little >early) but a remaining question is how to version what we (and users) >call "Cordova". Assuming a "Cordova" version is a point in time >collection of the latest CLI version + platform versions + plugin >versions. Is

RE: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-08 Thread Treggiari, Leo
mo...@google.com] On Behalf Of Michal Mocny Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 1:13 PM To: Michal Mocny Cc: Marcel Kinard; dev Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary Thanks everyone for participation in what was a long and grueling discussion. Summary of current proposal: - Cad-ver is

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-08 Thread Michal Mocny
Thanks everyone for participation in what was a long and grueling discussion. Summary of current proposal: - Cad-ver is dead. - Everything moves Sem-ver, with platforms continuing from current versions and diverging over time. - CLI potentially gets a significant version bump to showcase this rese

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-08 Thread Michal Mocny
External Public link for those that just want to watch/chat: https://plus.google.com/events/cm4l0vifcig920qkhpn5stqiet4 Hangout link to join the conversation: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYcNwXEyet4Xv_23HiTl4IK0jsM4NlmGy5kbLsPIW3SnOsUEIQ?authuser=0&hl=en See you in 30 minutes.

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-08 Thread Michal Mocny
+dev list again Not everyone could make 1pm, not everyone could make 2pm. While I don't think we need a full 2 hours, I'm hoping to start late and end early -- proving opportunity people to pop in at either time and chime in. On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Marcel Kinard wrote: > Is the expec

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-08 Thread Steven Gill
Sounds good! I'll definitely try to make it back for that. Have to be at the dmv this morning. Should be back by 2est On Wednesday, October 8, 2014, Michal Mocny wrote: > So it looks like Today 1-3 EST or Friday 1-3 EST are the best times. I'm > going to start the ball rolling to do this TODAY,

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-08 Thread Michal Mocny
So it looks like Today 1-3 EST or Friday 1-3 EST are the best times. I'm going to start the ball rolling to do this TODAY, but if that proves too short notices we'll move it to Friday. I'll email out links to hangout at 12:30 or so, and I'm hoping Steven can make it before 2pm since he's been mos

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-07 Thread Josh Soref
Michal Mocny wrote: > Its looking like 3:00 PM EST Tomorrow or 12:00 PM EST Thursday is the >best > fit -- but some contributors whose opinions I'm interested in have yet to > fill out the form (looking at you Brian, Jesse, Joe). Thursday is Sukkot, I'm unavailable.

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-07 Thread Michal Mocny
Thanks Brian. Its looking like 3:00 PM EST Tomorrow or 12:00 PM EST Thursday is the best fit -- but some contributors whose opinions I'm interested in have yet to fill out the form (looking at you Brian, Jesse, Joe). -Michal On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 3:20 PM, Brian LeRoux wrote: > This doc is a r

RE: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-07 Thread Terence M. Bandoian
:mmo...@google.com] On Behalf Of Michal Mocny Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 5:29 PM To: Smith, Peter Cc:dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary Just got through this thread. Summarizing Proposals: (a) CLI moves to v10.0.0, and version numbers increment at same ra

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-07 Thread Brian LeRoux
This doc is a really great summary: thank you Michal (and everyone else for the input). Super agree with starting from positive goals Marcel. I've been asking around other Apache projects (Jackrabbit and Sling) and the Gentoo Linux guys. This problem is hard. The good news is: we're not the only o

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-07 Thread Marcel Kinard
On Oct 7, 2014, at 2:13 PM, Michal Mocny wrote: > "Do not confuse developers" goal hopefully covers your points about > communication and information It partially covers it. To be more explicit, I'm trying to turn a negative goal into a positive goal. So instead of "how do we not mess this u

RE: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-07 Thread Treggiari, Leo
From: mmo...@google.com [mailto:mmo...@google.com] On Behalf Of Michal Mocny Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:25 AM To: Treggiari, Leo Cc: Michal Mocny; Marcel Kinard; dev Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary > I don't think its a goal for us developers, but I understand

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-07 Thread Michal Mocny
e the way to strive to solve that is to simplify upgrades, not make it easier to ignore them. > > Leo > > -Original Message- > From: mmo...@google.com [mailto:mmo...@google.com] On Behalf Of Michal > Mocny > Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:14 AM > To: Marcel Kinard

RE: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-07 Thread Treggiari, Leo
From: mmo...@google.com [mailto:mmo...@google.com] On Behalf Of Michal Mocny Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:14 AM To: Marcel Kinard Cc: dev Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary Marcel, I added the goal for "latest-and-greatest" which is a good idea. I think your other goals are

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-07 Thread Michal Mocny
Marcel, I added the goal for "latest-and-greatest" which is a good idea. I think your other goals are already covered with what's there. Again, I wanted to be brief. "Do not confuse developers" goal hopefully covers your points about communication and information (and going into detail is imposi

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-07 Thread Marcel Kinard
Yes, creating a doc is a great next step to solving this. Thanks for doing that. Now that there is a doc to read, I think the goals are wrong. I suggest the following: - enable releases to happen at a faster pace and lower cost - enable users to easily obtain the latest-and-greatest - clearly co

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-07 Thread Michal Mocny
rious >> concerns raised in this thread. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: mmo...@google.com [mailto:mmo...@google.com] On Behalf Of Michal >> Mocny >> Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 8:52 AM >> To: Michal Mocny >> Cc: Joe Bowser; dev >> Subject:

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-07 Thread Steven Gill
From: mmo...@google.com [mailto:mmo...@google.com] On Behalf Of Michal > Mocny > Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 8:52 AM > To: Michal Mocny > Cc: Joe Bowser; dev > Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary > > Created a doc to summarize. Trying to keep it concise and free of &

RE: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-07 Thread Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN TECH)
[mailto:mmo...@google.com] On Behalf Of Michal Mocny Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 8:52 AM To: Michal Mocny Cc: Joe Bowser; dev Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary Created a doc to summarize. Trying to keep it concise and free of opinions/conclusions, only context & goals. h

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-07 Thread Michal Mocny
Created a doc to summarize. Trying to keep it concise and free of opinions/conclusions, only context & goals. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VqAVo2AA5vZ7LRmq_9jJ6oa7Nyr2OrjLCfEkBhO-X8U/edit?usp=sharing On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Michal Mocny wrote: > +dev list again :P > > The timez

RE: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-07 Thread Treggiari, Leo
oogle.com [mailto:agri...@google.com] On Behalf Of Andrew > Grieve > Sent: Sunday, 5 October 2014 5:05 AM > To: Treggiari, Leo > Cc: Brian LeRoux; Andrew Grieve; dev@cordova.apache.org; Marcel Kinard > Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary > > To the best of my knowl

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-07 Thread Michal Mocny
+dev list again :P The timezone in the doodle is EST but there is a switcher to set your own (surprised it didn't do that). On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Joe Bowser wrote: > What timezone is this meant for? > > On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 7:59 AM, Michal Mocny wrote: > >> Here is a doodle for th

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-07 Thread Joe Bowser
OK, let's try this again: What time zone is this mean for? BTW: Can we get that fixed? On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 7:59 AM, Michal Mocny wrote: > Here is a doodle for those interested -- but if this timeline is too hasty > we can figure out a future date: http://doodle.com/a2nd8n3z8dm4ffbx. I'm >

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-07 Thread Michal Mocny
Here is a doodle for those interested -- but if this timeline is too hasty we can figure out a future date: http://doodle.com/a2nd8n3z8dm4ffbx. I'm rather busy for two weeks starting next week (as are many of us in prep for sh dev conf & pgday) so really hope we can do this this week. I'll put to

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-07 Thread Josh Soref
‎ > (d) CLI versions completely independent of platforms, just like plugins. > - In this case, we need to implement platform->cli version requirements > (node peerDependancies?) > - Basically means we play down CLI version entirely, users are just > expected to stay up to date with CLI always. Pl

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-07 Thread Ian Clelland
_support_index.md.html#Platform%20Support > > . > > > > It might not be easy to do, but if the combined wit of Cordova committers > > is unable to clearly document versioning dependencies then what hope is > > there for end users to understand it? > > > >

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-06 Thread Joe Bowser
s unable to clearly document versioning dependencies then what > hope is there for end users to understand it? > > > > Peter > > > > -Original Message- > > From: agri...@google.com [mailto:agri...@google.com] On Behalf Of > Andrew Grieve > > Sent: Sunday, 5

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-06 Thread purplecabbage
...@google.com [mailto:agri...@google.com] On Behalf Of Andrew > Grieve > Sent: Sunday, 5 October 2014 5:05 AM > To: Treggiari, Leo > Cc: Brian LeRoux; Andrew Grieve; dev@cordova.apache.org; Marcel Kinard > Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary > > To the b

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-06 Thread Michal Mocny
5:05 AM > To: Treggiari, Leo > Cc: Brian LeRoux; Andrew Grieve; dev@cordova.apache.org; Marcel Kinard > Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary > > To the best of my knowledge, the version numbers of platforms do not > signify that platforms have the same functionality. Ve

RE: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-06 Thread Smith, Peter
erstand it? Peter -Original Message- From: agri...@google.com [mailto:agri...@google.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Grieve Sent: Sunday, 5 October 2014 5:05 AM To: Treggiari, Leo Cc: Brian LeRoux; Andrew Grieve; dev@cordova.apache.org; Marcel Kinard Subject: Re: Independent platform release summa

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-06 Thread Andrew Grieve
t; > > > Leo > > > > *From:* agri...@google.com [mailto:agri...@google.com] *On Behalf Of *Andrew > Grieve > *Sent:* Monday, October 06, 2014 12:12 PM > *To:* Treggiari, Leo > *Cc:* Andrew Grieve; Brian LeRoux; dev@cordova.apache.org; Marcel Kinard > > *Subject:*

RE: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-06 Thread Treggiari, Leo
@cordova.apache.org; Marcel Kinard Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary Leo - that was a very well thought out summary of the state of things! I agree that from a user perspective, it would be easier to understand and reason about things if platform versions corresponded to things that

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-06 Thread Andrew Grieve
oid 3.5.1 was Windows 3.4.3? Cordova CLI can't remain > at > > the highest version number. So would Cordova CLI become 3.5.2 or > 3.5.1-1? > > Should the Windows release be 3.5.2? Are there a specific set of features > > associated with a specific platform major ver

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-06 Thread Marcel Kinard
+1 On Oct 3, 2014, at 8:05 PM, Steven Gill wrote: > Looking through peoples responses on this thread and the project version > thread, many people have been pushing for a bigger jump in version number for > the CLI. > > Chatting with Shaz, he is very concerned about support issues coming in

RE: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-04 Thread Treggiari, Leo
che.org>; Marcel Kinard; Treggiari, Leo Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary I meant pinning all platforms to the cli (so an update to any of the platforms pushes everything up one). Anyhow this is way hard to reason about. So its an improvement how again? On Oct 3, 2014 4

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-04 Thread Andrew Grieve
lemented. Is a platform release named 3.4.x expected to have a >>> certain >>> > set of features and a platform named 3.5.x expected to have those >>> features >>> > plus some additional feature? >>> > >>> > In general, what can a user exp

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-04 Thread Andrew Grieve
e user figure out what is going on and when and where they > can expect common functionality across platforms? > > > > Leo > > > > *From:* brian.ler...@gmail.com [mailto:brian.ler...@gmail.com] *On Behalf > Of *Brian LeRoux > *Sent:* Friday, October 03, 2014 5:29 PM > *To

RE: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-03 Thread Treggiari, Leo
expect common functionality across platforms? Leo From: brian.ler...@gmail.com [mailto:brian.ler...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Brian LeRoux Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 5:29 PM To: Andrew Grieve Cc: dev@cordova.apache.org; Marcel Kinard; Treggiari, Leo Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-03 Thread Brian LeRoux
;> features >> > plus some additional feature? >> > >> > In general, what can a user expect these version numbers to mean. E.g. >> if >> > I as an app developer want to use a particular recently added feature on >> > multiple platforms, how do

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-03 Thread Steven Gill
added feature on > > multiple platforms, how do I determine which versions of which platforms > > support the feature and which Cordova CLI version gives me what I want? > > > > Sorry, but it is confusing... > > > > Leo > > > > -Original Messa

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-03 Thread Andrew Grieve
> I as an app developer want to use a particular recently added feature on > > multiple platforms, how do I determine which versions of which platforms > > support the feature and which Cordova CLI version gives me what I want? > > > > Sorry, but it is confusing... > >

RE: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-03 Thread Brian LeRoux
Cordova CLI version gives me what I want? > > Sorry, but it is confusing... > > Leo > > -----Original Message- > From: Marcel Kinard [mailto:cmarc...@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 1:56 PM > To: dev@cordova.apache.org > Subject: Re: Independent platform

RE: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-03 Thread Treggiari, Leo
ions of which platforms support the feature and which Cordova CLI version gives me what I want? Sorry, but it is confusing... Leo -Original Message- From: Marcel Kinard [mailto:cmarc...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 1:56 PM To: dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: Independent pla

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-03 Thread Marcel Kinard
If a bump to major indicates an API change, how is that visible to users? Do users look at the CLI version as "the version of Cordova", or are we expecting users to look at the version of every Cordova component to understand where majors got bumped? While I agree the latter is more correct tech

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-03 Thread Andrew Grieve
On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 8:12 PM, Steven Gill wrote: > Thanks for feedback! > > I like the idea of giving our early adopters a chance to try it out and > help us catch bugs, but I think that should be what RCs are for (3 day > window while voting is ongoing). > > How do we handle cases where the bu

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-02 Thread Ian Clelland
Traditionally, Cordova has had major version bump close to Phonegap day - > > If we continue this to be 3.7.0, will we have another release close to > > Phonegap day, calling that 4.0 ? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: brian.ler...@gmail.com [mailto: &

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-02 Thread Steven Gill
Thanks for feedback! I like the idea of giving our early adopters a chance to try it out and help us catch bugs, but I think that should be what RCs are for (3 day window while voting is ongoing). How do we handle cases where the bump in platform is accompanied by a change in cordova-lib. The nex

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-02 Thread Andrew Grieve
I don't think it's necessary to bump CLI major when platforms bump major. Platforms and CLI are linked only superficially anyways. What do you think about: 1. Release platform 2. Blog post telling people to try it out using CLI platform add@new_version 3. After a week, bump the default platform in

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-02 Thread Andrew Grieve
Great write-up! Totally onboard. And like the suggestion of bumping the major (I say either 4.0 or 10.0). On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Brian LeRoux wrote: > I'm down with jumping to 4.x but not convinced a jump to 5.x would actually > spur more understanding. (Also thanks for tackling this St

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-02 Thread Steven Gill
mail.com] On Behalf Of > Brian LeRoux > Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2014 12:58 PM > To: Steven Gill > Cc: Shazron; dev@cordova.apache.org > Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary > > I'm down with jumping to 4.x but not convinced a jump to 5.x would > actu

RE: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-02 Thread Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN TECH)
...@gmail.com [mailto:brian.ler...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Brian LeRoux Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2014 12:58 PM To: Steven Gill Cc: Shazron; dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary I'm down with jumping to 4.x but not convinced a jump to 5.x would actually spur

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-02 Thread Brian LeRoux
I'm down with jumping to 4.x but not convinced a jump to 5.x would actually spur more understanding. (Also thanks for tackling this Steve.) On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 9:00 PM, Steven Gill wrote: > I'm not opposed to a big version jump. It would draw attention to the fact > that we are changing our v

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-02 Thread Steven Gill
I'm not opposed to a big version jump. It would draw attention to the fact that we are changing our versioning & releasing process. How do others feel? -Steve On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Shazron wrote: > Thanks Steve for writing that up. > I can definitely see the confusion in messaging, e

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-02 Thread Shazron
Thanks Steve for writing that up. I can definitely see the confusion in messaging, especially at the start of this new process. So for "2) CLI + Lib version" I am proposing a radical idea (à la Windows 10) where we jump to a new version totally separate from the current 3.x series to further detac