Re: Diversity: How many disabled people are at Apache

2016-12-14 Thread William A Rowe Jr
On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 7:59 PM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: > > Now, this is what I know as "equality in opportunity" and is why I am > somewhat skeptical to efforts focused on increasing so called diversity for > the sake of diversity, also known as "equality in outcome". IMHO, a highly > politicized

Re: Diversity: How many disabled people are at Apache

2016-12-14 Thread Noah Slater
> Now, this is what I know as "equality in opportunity" and is why I am somewhat skeptical to efforts focused on increasing so called diversity for the sake of diversity, also known as "equality in outcome". The implication of this line of thought is that, for example, women have the opportunity t

Re: planet.apache.org was shutdown - can we remove links?

2016-12-14 Thread Rich Bowen
On 12/13/2016 04:14 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: >> > If it's resources, or someone to maintain it, that makes more sense. >> > Perhaps once I have the service running again we can point the DNS >> > record at it again? > That's closer. > > The right solution (from an infrastructure perspective, and for

Re: Diversity: How many disabled people are at Apache

2016-12-14 Thread Rich Bowen
On 12/13/2016 08:59 PM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: > Now, this is what I know as "equality in opportunity" and is why I am > somewhat skeptical to efforts focused on increasing so called diversity for > the sake of diversity, also known as "equality in outcome". Hmm. If you believe that we are pursui

Re: planet.apache.org was shutdown - can we remove links?

2016-12-14 Thread Shane Curcuru
Rich Bowen wrote on 12/14/16 8:45 AM: ...snip... > Yeah, there's no absolutely reason for this to have SLA uptime guarantees. > > Also, it seems like something that ComDev should care about. In > particular, I would be glad to be responsible for the service. And we > could even put it on the feath

Re: planet.apache.org was shutdown - can we remove links?

2016-12-14 Thread Rich Bowen
On 12/14/2016 09:41 AM, Shane Curcuru wrote: > Rich Bowen wrote on 12/14/16 8:45 AM: > ...snip... >> Yeah, there's no absolutely reason for this to have SLA uptime guarantees. >> >> Also, it seems like something that ComDev should care about. In >> particular, I would be glad to be responsible fo

Re: Diversity: How many disabled people are at Apache

2016-12-14 Thread Niclas Hedhman
Noah, first of all, you make a 'category' that in this case encompasses roughly half the population. Then you make the strawman that I claim that this huge category has no skills. Dishonest, at best. Yes, there are plenty of people with disadvantage for joining ASF. You need a computer, which a ma

Re: planet.apache.org was shutdown - can we remove links?

2016-12-14 Thread Sam Ruby
On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 9:44 AM, Rich Bowen wrote: > > On 12/14/2016 09:41 AM, Shane Curcuru wrote: >> Rich Bowen wrote on 12/14/16 8:45 AM: >> ...snip... >>> Yeah, there's no absolutely reason for this to have SLA uptime guarantees. >>> >>> Also, it seems like something that ComDev should care ab

Re: Diversity: How many disabled people are at Apache

2016-12-14 Thread Joan Touzet
Rich Bowen said: > On 12/13/2016 08:59 PM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: > > Now, this is what I know as "equality in opportunity" and is why I > > am > > somewhat skeptical to efforts focused on increasing so called > > diversity for > > the sake of diversity, also known as "equality in outcome". > > Div

Re: Diversity: How many disabled people are at Apache

2016-12-14 Thread William A Rowe Jr
On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 7:59 PM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: > > Anyway, I have no problem with people wanting to connect with others within > ASF realm, regardless of reason, so this is only an opportunity to > highlight my position on the 'diversity issue' at ASF, not in any way > criticizing you for

Re: Diversity: How many disabled people are at Apache

2016-12-14 Thread Matthew Sacks
I used to work as a sysadmin (pre “DevOps”) with a guy who was disfigured; potentially from service. He was one of the best engineers on the team at a large dot com. I think this sums this thread up? > On Dec 14, 2016, at 12:33 PM, William A Rowe Jr wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 7:59 PM,

Re: Diversity: How many disabled people are at Apache

2016-12-14 Thread Joan Touzet
Missed one reference I really wanted to include. This paper, which won the ASQ Award for Scholarly Contribution in 2007: http://web.mit.edu/cortiz/www/Diversity/Ely%20and%20Thomas,%202001.pdf This article is especially important because it contrasts and compares three perspectives on diversity:

Re: Diversity: How many disabled people are at Apache

2016-12-14 Thread Rich Bowen
On 12/14/2016 10:22 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: > Rich, > I know that diversity is sold as self-interest and that more diverse > communities are (claimed to be, but I have not found any such reference to > studies in software, but I can grant that) creating better products. I am > not as ignorant a

Re: planet.apache.org was shutdown - can we remove links?

2016-12-14 Thread Sam Ruby
Some links that might be helpful: https://docs.puppet.com/puppet/latest/lang_classes.html https://docs.puppet.com/puppet/latest/type.html - Sam Ruby On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 10:33 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: > On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 9:44 AM, Rich Bowen wrote: >> >> On 12/14/2016 09:41 AM, Shane Curcur