Re: [proposal] integrating womAn@a.o into an Apache code of practice

2010-09-16 Thread Ross Gardler
On 16/09/2010 19:43, Ted Dunning wrote: I'll take some if you are offering. No juics and cookies from me, but there'll be beet and wine at ApacheCon ;-) (I guess we'll have some non-alcoholic drinks too) Ross On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Benson Margulieswrote: No argument with that.

Re: [proposal] integrating womAn@a.o into an Apache code of practice

2010-09-16 Thread Ted Dunning
I'll take some if you are offering. On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: > No argument with that. Though there are some days on members@ where I feel > like someone needs to hand out juice and cookies. >

Re: [proposal] integrating womAn@a.o into an Apache code of practice

2010-09-16 Thread Benson Margulies
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > FWIW my takeaway from the article is that mentoring is a more > effective way to facilitate change than any other type of > social program. I didn't put much stock into the child-raising > argument as it doesn't really apply to us: we deal w

Re: [proposal] integrating womAn@a.o into an Apache code of practice

2010-09-16 Thread Joe Schaefer
FWIW my takeaway from the article is that mentoring is a more effective way to facilitate change than any other type of social program. I didn't put much stock into the child-raising argument as it doesn't really apply to us: we deal with adults. - Original Message > From: Benson Margu

Re: [proposal] integrating womAn@a.o into an Apache code of practice

2010-09-16 Thread Benson Margulies
Feh. Another screed about raising children from someone who has, apparently, never met one. Every parent I know has had the same experience: hand some infant female a truck, and she rejects it. I'm carefully choosing my words to avoid claiming that this is universal, as opposed to extremely common

Re: [proposal] integrating womAn@a.o into an Apache code of practice

2010-09-16 Thread Joe Schaefer
Indeed, and on my birthday no less. Good read. - Original Message > From: Bertrand Delacretaz > To: dev@community.apache.org > Sent: Thu, September 16, 2010 12:31:56 PM > Subject: Re: [proposal] integrating wo...@a.o into an Apache code of practice > > On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 6:10 PM

Re: [proposal] integrating womAn@a.o into an Apache code of practice

2010-09-16 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > ...I think > we should remain open to future initiatives, even those that > present potential "corrective" biases which favor underrepresented > groups I agree with that. About women, I found this article very interesting: http://jolieod

Re: [proposal] integrating womAn@a.o into an Apache code of practice

2010-09-16 Thread Joe Schaefer
- Original Message > From: Bertrand Delacretaz > To: dev@community.apache.org > Sent: Thu, September 16, 2010 11:54:50 AM > Subject: Re: [proposal] integrating wo...@a.o into an Apache code of practice > > On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Sean Owen wrote: > > ...I like the idea that A

Re: [proposal] integrating womAn@a.o into an Apache code of practice

2010-09-16 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Sean Owen wrote: > ...I like the idea that Apache, like all upstanding meritocracies, > doesn't think of either gender as a 'special case'. Committers are > just committers, not boy committers or girl committers... Absolutely agree with that, thanks for your comme

Re: [proposal] integrating womAn@a.o into an Apache code of practice

2010-09-16 Thread Sean Owen
>From the uninformed peanut gallery: I don't understand just about any of this thread of messages, if it's supposed to be serious. Am I thick? or is it supposed to be simply humorous? If humorous, it's pretty elaborate and not bad and all that, but, is this related to Apache any longer? I like th

Re: [proposal] integrating womAn@a.o into an Apache code of practice

2010-09-16 Thread Benson Margulies
The women who are actively involved in the ASF led the process of creating, evaluating, and destroying the mailing list that started this whole discussion. They are more than capable and willing to speak/type up about any problems they see. Which Apache communities are you an active member of, and

Re: [proposal] integrating womAn@a.o into an Apache code of practice

2010-09-16 Thread Anjana G Bhattacharjee
ARCHIVAL NOTE ONLY as at 8 weeks since inception of this proposal -- Prototyping of a wo...@a.o is commencing care of the email address and infrastructure of wo...@aporia-works.org by way of an instantiation of womAn@., of which a wo...@apache.org may - or may not - become a next in due course. F

Re: [proposal] integrating womAn@a.o into an Apache code of practice

2010-08-29 Thread Anjana G Bhattacharjee
Hi Kathey, Good to hear from you :-) Let me try stepping through the issues you raise in turn below at this stage, with a view to keeping all options open, as ever, in due course: On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Kathey Marsden wrote: > On 8/19/2010 1:00 AM, Anjana G Bhattacharjee wrote: > >>

Re: [proposal] integrating womAn@a.o into an Apache code of practice

2010-08-19 Thread Kathey Marsden
On 8/19/2010 1:00 AM, Anjana G Bhattacharjee wrote: ARCHIVAL NOTE ONLY as at 28 days since inception of this proposal - My vote on this proposal if brought to vote would be -1 Because - Golf and the other aspects of the proposal have nothing to do with software. - The structure is ungoverned

Re: [proposal] integrating womAn@a.o into an Apache code of practice

2010-08-19 Thread Anjana G Bhattacharjee
ARCHIVAL NOTE ONLY as at 28 days since inception of this proposal - please find possibly related posts and continuing public conversations, in chronological order from 30 July 2010, under the following wo...@a.o and/or d...@community.a.o threads with subject header: 1. [VOTE] roll wo...@a.o int

Re: [proposal] integrating womAn@a.o into an Apache code of practice

2010-07-30 Thread Ross Gardler
On 30/07/2010 13:36, Shane Curcuru wrote: Anjana G Bhattacharjee wrote: Just a note to mark 7 days since the date of this proposal - thank you for all responses so far - still listening ;-) best, A Oh, sorry, I had thought it was an intellectual exercise to spur some new thoughts and get some

Re: [proposal] integrating womAn@a.o into an Apache code of practice

2010-07-30 Thread Joe Schaefer
Lol. Identity management, gender, and mailing list sociology are all interesting components of the proposal, but they don't mesh at all with how we normally think about these things. Anjana, if you want to keep exploring the boundaries of what is possible with respect to those ideas and how they

Re: [proposal] integrating womAn@a.o into an Apache code of practice

2010-07-30 Thread Shane Curcuru
Anjana G Bhattacharjee wrote: Just a note to mark 7 days since the date of this proposal - thank you for all responses so far - still listening ;-) best, A Oh, sorry, I had thought it was an intellectual exercise to spur some new thoughts and get some random golf-related links into our archive

Re: [proposal] integrating womAn@a.o into an Apache code of practice

2010-07-29 Thread Anjana G Bhattacharjee
Just a note to mark 7 days since the date of this proposal - thank you for all responses so far - still listening ;-) best, A On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Anjana G Bhattacharjee < a.g.bhattachar...@gmail.com> wrote: > 20100722 / APORIA WORK / XIIX > > PROPOSAL SUMMARY > > Previously at Apach

Re: [proposal] integrating womAn@a.o into an Apache code of practice

2010-07-24 Thread Anjana G Bhattacharjee
Yes, and ? :-) On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 8:13 PM, Ted Dunning wrote: > > To quote this proposal: WTF? > >

Re: [proposal] integrating womAn@a.o into an Apache code of practice

2010-07-24 Thread Anjana G Bhattacharjee
Henri Yandell wrote: > Will you be running for the board next year? > Personally would prefer establishing a first international Royal Charter for FLOSS before retiring to any board > This is da vinci level genius. I love it :) > Thanks - though may take the Dan Browns a little longer to figue

Re: [proposal] integrating womAn@a.o into an Apache code of practice

2010-07-23 Thread Anjana G Bhattacharjee
Golfing rules anticipate visual impairments to varying degrees, and in cases where required, a "coach" or "guide" can be incorporated into play [1] Best, A [1] http://www.blindgolf.co.uk/howdone.php On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 9:22 PM,

Re: [proposal] integrating womAn@a.o into an Apache code of practice

2010-07-23 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 9:22 PM, Henri Yandell wrote: > ...Every reply must however disagree on some small detail, I believe we > should use correct regexps and call it w?o?...@apache.org... Right. Me, I'd much prefer sailing over golf, which is not inclusive: impossible for me to play with my la

Re: [proposal] integrating womAn@a.o into an Apache code of practice

2010-07-22 Thread Henri Yandell
Will you be running for the board next year? This is da vinci level genius. I love it :) Every reply must however disagree on some small detail, I believe we should use correct regexps and call it w?o?...@apache.org. Hen On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Anjana G Bhattacharjee wrote: > 2010072

Re: [proposal] integrating womAn@a.o into an Apache code of practice

2010-07-22 Thread Ted Dunning
To quote this proposal: WTF? On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Anjana G Bhattacharjee < a.g.bhattachar...@gmail.com> wrote: > 20100722 / APORIA WORK / XIIX > > PROPOSAL SUMMARY > > Previously at Apache, we have had a list named "wo...@a.o" that both men > and > women have posted and subscribed t

[proposal] integrating womAn@a.o into an Apache code of practice

2010-07-22 Thread Anjana G Bhattacharjee
20100722 / APORIA WORK / XIIX PROPOSAL SUMMARY Previously at Apache, we have had a list named "wo...@a.o" that both men and women have posted and subscribed to at varying degrees of overt participation. Now, personally would like to propose having a single email address, to be named "wo...@apach