Re: Contributing positively to a meritocracy (was Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] roll women@a.o into dev@community.a.o)

2010-08-01 Thread Joe Schaefer
No problem. So far all I've learned from this experience is that Henri and Anjana should probably exchange phone numbers so they can congratulate each other without bothering their intellectual inferiors who are trying to do something constructive on this list. The insinuation that somehow my fee

Re: Contributing positively to a meritocracy (was Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] roll women@a.o into dev@community.a.o)

2010-08-01 Thread Ross Gardler
Thanks Joe. Ross On 01/08/2010 13:19, Joe Schaefer wrote: - Original Message From: Anjana G Bhattacharjee To: Ted Dunning Cc: dev@community.apache.org Sent: Sun, August 1, 2010 6:40:27 AM Subject: Re: Contributing positively to a meritocracy (was Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] roll wo...@a.o i

Re: Contributing positively to a meritocracy (was Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] roll women@a.o into dev@community.a.o)

2010-08-01 Thread Joe Schaefer
- Original Message > From: Anjana G Bhattacharjee > To: Ted Dunning > Cc: dev@community.apache.org > Sent: Sun, August 1, 2010 6:40:27 AM > Subject: Re: Contributing positively to a meritocracy (was Re: [DISCUSS] >[VOTE] roll wo...@a.o into d...@community.a.o) > > Hi Ted, > > Thanks

Re: Contributing positively to a meritocracy (was Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] roll women@a.o into dev@community.a.o)

2010-08-01 Thread Anjana G Bhattacharjee
Hi Ted, Thanks for being willing to cc your reply to women@ - guess you got the same response to that one too, eh ? Now, who do you figure it was that had been willing to perform that operation ? And with what manner of sentiment ? And do such things matter for a next time around, for a next poss

Re: Contributing positively to a meritocracy (was Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] roll women@a.o into dev@community.a.o)

2010-08-01 Thread Ted Dunning
Process comes after somebody willing to perform the process. -1 to the proposed womAn mailing list. On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Anjana G Bhattacharjee < a.g.bhattachar...@gmail.com> wrote: > as ever, my focus here is on process

Re: Contributing positively to a meritocracy (was Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] roll women@a.o into dev@community.a.o)

2010-07-31 Thread Anjana G Bhattacharjee
Dear Ross, Thanks for this - let me unpack it a little: On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: > This information you request can be harvested, but it takes time, a very > precious commodity. The information may already be published somewhere > publicly (someone may point us in t

Contributing positively to a meritocracy (was Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] roll women@a.o into dev@community.a.o)

2010-07-31 Thread Ross Gardler
This information you request can be harvested, but it takes time, a very precious commodity. The information may already be published somewhere publicly (someone may point us in the right direction if they are still reading). If your concern is about a lack of support for women in the ASF then

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] roll women@a.o into dev@community.a.o

2010-07-31 Thread Anjana G Bhattacharjee
Hi Jean, Thanks for replying to this here at women@ - the post was in response to a message posted to women@ only, and so technically, my reply was necessarily in response to the post at women@ and then cross-posted to d...@community, rather than vice versa, with all due respect ;-) Am conscious

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] roll women@a.o into dev@community.a.o

2010-07-30 Thread Jean T. Anderson
Anjana G Bhattacharjee wrote: Have just come across a curious parallel to this, perhaps, in the arena of Golf tournament sponsorship - IBM sponsored "the Masters" (i.e. men's only) tournament in April this year with a flurry of justification [1] whilst this weekend's "Women's British Open" was

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] roll women@a.o into dev@community.a.o

2010-07-30 Thread Anjana G Bhattacharjee
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Kathey Marsden wrote: > It is actually my hope that a separate list will not be necessary as I tend > to like a more integrated approach.(I did not much care, for example, > explaining to my middle school son why a free technology camp this summer > was being

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] roll women@a.o into dev@community.a.o

2010-07-20 Thread Kathey Marsden
On 7/19/2010 10:35 PM, Anjana G Bhattacharjee wrote: "So much emptiness, even with the windows shut, especially since no one ever lived inside. How do we listen to silence and learn to keep listening?" Empty Houses in Baja California Poems No.27 by Kenneth Liberman (my friend and mentor) I am

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] roll women@a.o into dev@community.a.o

2010-07-19 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Anjana, On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 7:35 AM, Anjana G Bhattacharjee wrote: > ...How do we listen to silence > and learn to keep listening?"... I find listening to silence on mailing lists fairly hard, and making sense of it even harder. I have tallied the vote about women@ as there was clear con

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] roll women@a.o into dev@community.a.o

2010-07-19 Thread Anjana G Bhattacharjee
"So much emptiness, even with the windows shut, especially since no one ever lived inside. How do we listen to silence and learn to keep listening?" Empty Houses in Baja California Poems No.27 by Kenneth Liberman (my friend and mentor)

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] roll women@a.o into dev@community.a.o

2010-07-19 Thread Jean T. Anderson
Ted Dunning wrote: How about just edit it to point to the comdev mailing list? Thanks for the suggestion, Ted, I just updated the wiki. If we want to leave the wiki be and also leave it editable, then wikidiffs need to be re-routed from women@ to comdev. thanks, -jean On Mon, Jul 19, 20

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] roll women@a.o into dev@community.a.o

2010-07-19 Thread Ted Dunning
How about just edit it to point to the comdev mailing list? On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Jean T. Anderson wrote: > Can we add a task that Jira to either remove the wiki ( > http://wiki.apache.org/Women/) or make it readonly? or do we need a new > Jira request? >

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] roll women@a.o into dev@community.a.o

2010-07-19 Thread Jean T. Anderson
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: ...The vote shows consensus for an autoresponder so I'll ask for that See https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-2883 -Bertrand Can we add a task that Jira to either remove the wiki

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] roll women@a.o into dev@community.a.o

2010-07-19 Thread Jean T. Anderson
Anjana G Bhattacharjee wrote: Just keep the channel open - how much is it costing us to run? Is the workload to heavy and need it be rotated every few years or so to keep it alive? I'm an active moderator for women@ and the workload is not onerous, but it does exist, and both the list and the

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] roll women@a.o into dev@community.a.o

2010-07-19 Thread Ross Gardler
On 19/07/2010 15:58, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: ...The vote shows consensus for an autoresponder so I'll ask for that See https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-2883# Thanks Bertrand. Ross

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] roll women@a.o into dev@community.a.o

2010-07-19 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > ...The vote shows consensus > for an autoresponder so I'll ask for that See https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-2883 -Bertrand

[RESULT][VOTE] roll women@a.o into dev@community.a.o

2010-07-19 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > ...Comdev people, please vote on folding women@ into this mailing list, > see also [1]. > > The idea is to close the women@ list and/or or setup an autoresponder > that directs people to this list instead The vote passes with

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] roll women@a.o into dev@community.a.o

2010-07-19 Thread Shane Curcuru
Bertrand wrote: Comdev people, please vote on folding women@ into this mailing list, see also [1]. The idea is to close the women@ list and/or or setup an autoresponder that directs people to this list instead. [ ] +1 let's dot it [ ] -1 no, because... [ ] +0 don't care +1 (non-binding) to cl

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] roll women@a.o into dev@community.a.o

2010-07-19 Thread Anjana G Bhattacharjee
Dear Ross, Firstly, thank you for your questions - and no need whatsoever to forgive you for asking - the fact that you are finally asking again is vindication enough, for the time being at least ;-) Secondly, should say for the record that have just picked up this message, and am replying having

Re: [VOTE] roll women@a.o into dev@community.a.o

2010-07-19 Thread Noirin Shirley
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 4:52 AM, Anjana G Bhattacharjee wrote: > -1 (unbinding) > > because this vote, and the "dot it" slip, reminds me of a problem of > relevance when "dotting the i's and crossing the t's" when framing any vote, > so to speak I'll admit, I'm often "lazy" when it came to consen

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] roll women@a.o into dev@community.a.o

2010-07-18 Thread Jean T. Anderson
Benson Margulies wrote: There's a small potential that someone could misunderstand one thing in Jean's message, so I want to make what I see as a clearer statement of one point. Mailing lists of the form priv...@somepmc.apache.org \are/ archived. Those archives are \not/ available to the general

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] roll women@a.o into dev@community.a.o

2010-07-18 Thread Benson Margulies
There's a small potential that someone could misunderstand one thing in Jean's message, so I want to make what I see as a clearer statement of one point. Mailing lists of the form priv...@somepmc.apache.org \are/ archived. Those archives are \not/ available to the general public, but they are full

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] roll women@a.o into dev@community.a.o

2010-07-18 Thread Jean T. Anderson
Ross Gardler wrote: On Oct 28th 2009 I made the women@ list aware of the opportunity to revitalize the women@ objectives through comdev [1]. Specifically I said "The wo...@a.o list has not really gone anywhere, but maybe this is another chance to look at the lack of female representation here

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] roll women@a.o into dev@community.a.o

2010-07-18 Thread Ross Gardler
Before addressing your suggestion I first wish to correct a few errors in your post. The creation of ComDev was not made at the barcamp session you refer to. It was created prior to that meeting as a result of discussion through the normal ASF mailing lists and a subsequent Board Resolution.

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] roll women@a.o into dev@community.a.o

2010-07-18 Thread Anjana G Bhattacharjee
Hi Ross, Thanks for replying to the women@ list and cc-ing to others as appropriate The matter at hand is of course one of decision-making process, albeit with regards to women@ on this occasion, and it is the process that concerns me, given that it may not be condusive to community development i

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] roll women@a.o into dev@community.a.o

2010-07-18 Thread Ross Gardler
Anjana, The vote is to merge the woman@ list into this one. The way things work around here is that they get done in the way someone gets them done. So if someone cares enough to get an auto-responder set up then one will be set up. This vote is the result of previous discussion on the topic,

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] roll women@a.o into dev@community.a.o

2010-07-17 Thread Anjana G Bhattacharjee
Hi, Jean T. Anderson wrote: > > It was "noise" because on a busy morning I was too distracted to read > Bertrand's original post carefully and, thus, missed your point, which was > responding directly to what he wrote. I hate it when that happens :-) but > no harm done. > Thanks for kind reply,

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] roll women@a.o into dev@community.a.o

2010-07-17 Thread Jean T. Anderson
Anjana G Bhattacharjee wrote: Hi Jean, Certainly doesn't sound like noise to me - but maybe we should continue this conversation on the women@ list ? It was "noise" because on a busy morning I was too distracted to read Bertrand's original post carefully and, thus, missed your point, which

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] roll women@a.o into dev@community.a.o

2010-07-17 Thread Ross Gardler
Thanks for the data point. This means that marcmail.com is no longer indexing women@ I have no idea why. However, the arguments for bringing women@ into comdev stand in my opinion. Sent from my mobile device. On 17 Jul 2010, at 18:44, Anjana G Bhattacharjee wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, Jul 1

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] roll women@a.o into dev@community.a.o

2010-07-17 Thread Anjana G Bhattacharjee
Hi Jean, Certainly doesn't sound like noise to me - but maybe we should continue this conversation on the women@ list ? Best, A On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote: > Jean T. Anderson wrote: > >> Thanks -- that's a terrific suggestion to auto-respond that wo...@activity >>

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] roll women@a.o into dev@community.a.o

2010-07-17 Thread Anjana G Bhattacharjee
Hi, On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: > A little history is probably relevant here. Woman@ was set up on Aug 7 > 2005, during that time it has had very little activity with the most recent > email being Sept 14th 2007. > The fact is that people are not looking for a list call

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] roll women@a.o into dev@community.a.o

2010-07-16 Thread Jean T. Anderson
Jean T. Anderson wrote: Thanks -- that's a terrific suggestion to auto-respond that women@ activity has moved to d...@community. If this vote passes, I'll check with infra@ to see if an an auto-responder can be set up. d'oh! I was guilty of being distracted and not reading closely enough to

Re: [VOTE] roll women@a.o into dev@community.a.o

2010-07-16 Thread Kathey Marsden
On 7/16/2010 2:17 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Comdev people, please vote on folding women@ into this mailing list, see also [1]. The idea is to close the women@ list and/or or setup an autoresponder that directs people to this list instead. +1

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] roll women@a.o into dev@community.a.o

2010-07-16 Thread Ross Gardler
Anjana, Thanks for your comments. A little history is probably relevant here. Woman@ was set up on Aug 7 2005, during that time it has had very little activity with the most recent email being Sept 14th 2007. The fact is that people are not looking for a list called "women@". Nevertheless t

Re: [VOTE] roll women@a.o into dev@community.a.o

2010-07-16 Thread Jean T. Anderson
[x] +1 let's dot it -jean

[DISCUSS] [VOTE] roll women@a.o into dev@community.a.o

2010-07-16 Thread Jean T. Anderson
Anjana G Bhattacharjee wrote: -1 (unbinding) because this vote, and the "dot it" slip, reminds me of a problem of relevance when "dotting the i's and crossing the t's" when framing any vote, so to speak in this case, would suggest that there may be a significant difference between the options o

Re: [VOTE] roll women@a.o into dev@community.a.o

2010-07-16 Thread Anjana G Bhattacharjee
-1 (unbinding) because this vote, and the "dot it" slip, reminds me of a problem of relevance when "dotting the i's and crossing the t's" when framing any vote, so to speak in this case, would suggest that there may be a significant difference between the options of: (a) closing women@ and (b) s

Re: [VOTE] roll women@a.o into dev@community.a.o

2010-07-16 Thread Ross Gardler
On 16/07/2010 10:17, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: The idea is to close the women@ list and/or or setup an autoresponder that directs people to this list instead. [ ] +1 let's dot it +1

Re: [VOTE] roll women@a.o into dev@community.a.o

2010-07-16 Thread Nick Burch
On Fri, 16 Jul 2010, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: The idea is to close the women@ list and/or or setup an autoresponder that directs people to this list instead. +1 Nick

Re: [VOTE] roll women@a.o into dev@community.a.o

2010-07-16 Thread Tommaso Teofili
+1 (non binding) Tommaso 2010/7/16 Bertrand Delacretaz > > [X ] +1 let's dot it > > -Bertrand (I meant "let's do it" of course ;-) >

Re: [VOTE] roll women@a.o into dev@community.a.o

2010-07-16 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
> [X ] +1 let's dot it -Bertrand (I meant "let's do it" of course ;-)

[VOTE] roll women@a.o into dev@community.a.o

2010-07-16 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 11:41 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote: > ...I have infrastructure in mind, though, of course, the ultimate objective is > to do exactly what you say. It would help it to rewind back to the thread in > January [1] to which Bertrand responded: > >> When this PMC was created, t