Re: It’s time to change the name

2022-04-30 Thread Owen Rubel
Well you may not need to. School and sports teams change their names because they are offensive and the tribe registers a complaint. In the sense of the Apache foundation, I sincerely donut the tribe will ever register an official complaint because it is a nonprofit that does community outreach a

Re: It’s time to change the name

2022-04-30 Thread Walter Cameron
I don’t think anyone’s yet defined the governments to be contacted if a dialog is what is sought. I’m assuming we mean at minimum the 8 currently federally recognized tribes in the US: - Apache Tribe of Oklahoma - Fort Sill Apache Tribe of Oklahoma - Jicarilla Apache Nation, New Mexico - Mescaler

Re: It’s time to change the name

2022-04-30 Thread me
In terms of ripple effect, I think we have to be more nuanced. The discussion appears to have three(probably more) underlying subtexts that we aren’t really isolating and addressing separately: - social impact. (Why we’re doing it) - business impact (How it impacts the folks who use our stuff) -

Re: It’s time to change the name

2022-04-30 Thread Walter Cameron
>I think we all vastly underestimate the ripple effect such a change might have. Is it possible that we are also underestimating the positive effects that this ripple might have? When I go to any tech workplace or browse any open source mailing list it’s very obvious our industry has issues with

Re: It’s time to change the name

2022-04-30 Thread Jarek Potiuk
How do we change the original intent? > Our website directly references the Apache tribe, and that data point is referenced in various web assets of which we have no control. Speaking of creativity: It might be far easier to actively track and nag everyone to change once ASF changes it rather th

Re: It’s time to change the name

2022-04-30 Thread Ed Mangini
Creative! How do we change the original intent? Our website directly references the Apache tribe, and that data point is referenced in various web assets of which we have no control. This is where Andrew's notion of outreach would be absolutely requisite to determine if disassociation is enough.

Re: It’s time to change the name

2022-04-30 Thread Jarek Potiuk
I think we all vastly underestimate the ripple effect such a change might have. I do understand some of the sentiments of people who want change. However, maybe there is an easier way to handle this issue. Do we really have to change the name or just disassociate with the Apache Tribe ? I think t