Re: Welcome Willem Jiang as a New PMC Member

2022-02-27 Thread Piergiorgio Lucidi
Congratulations Willem! Il Gio 24 Feb 2022, 07:50 Swapnil M Mane ha scritto: > Hi everyone, > > The ComDev PMC has invited Willem Jiang to become a member of the committee > and we are glad to announce that he has accepted the nomination. > > Willem has been a great open-source supporter, deep

Re: Effective ways of getting individuals funded to work on ASF projects

2022-02-27 Thread Joshua Simmons
Hi folks, Josh here with my Tidelift hat on. (I wear many hats, as some of you know!) I want to be extremely respectful of the discourse y'all are having here, and so will be sparing in my engagement. The conversations that played out after I reached out to Apache Log4j PMC–across Legal, ComDev, a

Re: Effective ways of getting individuals funded to work on ASF projects

2022-02-27 Thread Jarek Potiuk
I am extremely interested in this and I very much support the effort that Roman describes. But I do think Tidelift is not necessarily a good (and quite for sure not the only) solution. I think their interest is a bit separated from ASF one. They mostly want to promote their service to get the cut

Re: Thoughts on alternative communication channels for our communities

2022-02-27 Thread Jarek Potiuk
> > > I'm not trying to argue about others's people preference; any tool > can be used. It's just that I don't think that "it's newer/graphical" is > a reason for change. > It's not. I think main reason is it is more accessible, allows to edit your answers and correct typos, works in the browser

Re: Thoughts on alternative communication channels for our communities

2022-02-27 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Sun, Feb 27, 2022 at 11:59 PM Gilles Sadowski wrote: > Le dim. 27 févr. 2022 à 23:11, Jarek Potiuk a écrit : > > > > > > > > It rather seems to me that tools targeted to synchronous > > > communication are quite bad for asynchronous usage. > > > > > > > I quite disagree, I use slack for async

Re: Effective ways of getting individuals funded to work on ASF projects

2022-02-27 Thread Ted Dunning
I was in the peanut gallery when Tidelift approached the logging project. To me, it looked like Tidelift wanted fairly significant service level guarantees for a very low cost and then wanted to monetize their position of having such guarantees. Aside from whether or not the details were righ

Re: Thoughts on alternative communication channels for our communities

2022-02-27 Thread Gilles Sadowski
Le dim. 27 févr. 2022 à 23:11, Jarek Potiuk a écrit : > > > > > It rather seems to me that tools targeted to synchronous > > communication are quite bad for asynchronous usage. > > > > I quite disagree, I use slack for async communication a lot. Including > underrepresented in IT Outreachy (https:

Re: Effective ways of getting individuals funded to work on ASF projects

2022-02-27 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Sun, Feb 27, 2022 at 11:11 PM Gary Gregory wrote: > We just went through this with Log4j and decided that the Tidelift model > was not compatible with Apache. Hopefully someone on our PMC can provide a > recap. > Please correct me if I'm wrong, but as I remember there wasn't any attempt to wo

Re: Thoughts on alternative communication channels for our communities

2022-02-27 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Sun, Feb 27, 2022 at 10:55 PM Gilles Sadowski wrote: > Le dim. 27 févr. 2022 à 21:13, Jarek Potiuk a écrit : > > > > > > > > > > > Do any of the mentioned alternatives fulfill those requirements? > > > > > > > I think most - with very little investment on taking backup (same as we > do > > wi

Re: Effective ways of getting individuals funded to work on ASF projects

2022-02-27 Thread Gary Gregory
We just went through this with Log4j and decided that the Tidelift model was not compatible with Apache. Hopefully someone on our PMC can provide a recap. Gary On Sun, Feb 27, 2022, 17:06 Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > Hi! > > over the past couple of years there has been a number > of efforts trying

Re: Thoughts on alternative communication channels for our communities

2022-02-27 Thread Jarek Potiuk
> > It rather seems to me that tools targeted to synchronous > communication are quite bad for asynchronous usage. > I quite disagree, I use slack for async communication a lot. Including underrepresented in IT Outreachy (https://www.outreachy.org/) interns that I am mentoring - from India, Peru

Effective ways of getting individuals funded to work on ASF projects

2022-02-27 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
Hi! over the past couple of years there has been a number of efforts trying to figure out effective ways of getting funded for working on ASF projects as individuals and not employees at companies building on top of these projects. Chris's recent experience is but one of them: https://lists.a

Re: Thoughts on alternative communication channels for our communities

2022-02-27 Thread Gilles Sadowski
Le dim. 27 févr. 2022 à 21:13, Jarek Potiuk a écrit : > > > > > > > Do any of the mentioned alternatives fulfill those requirements? > > > > I think most - with very little investment on taking backup (same as we do > with ponymail today). It rather seems to me that tools targeted to synchronous

Re: Thoughts on alternative communication channels for our communities

2022-02-27 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Sun, Feb 27, 2022 at 9:13 PM Jarek Potiuk wrote: > > > > > > Do any of the mentioned alternatives fulfill those requirements? > > > > I think most - with very little investment on taking backup (same as we do > with ponymail today). > > Two examples: > > * http://apache-airflow.slack-archives.

Re: Thoughts on alternative communication channels for our communities

2022-02-27 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
Hi tison! On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 7:06 PM tison wrote: > Hi Roman, > > I noticed your summary and focus on user-facing channels. Comments inline. > > Roman Shaposhnik 于2022年2月22日 周二23:32写道: > > > Thanks for all the feedback so far. If I were to summarize what's been > > expressed > > on this thr

Re: Thoughts on alternative communication channels for our communities

2022-02-27 Thread Jarek Potiuk
> > > Do any of the mentioned alternatives fulfill those requirements? > I think most - with very little investment on taking backup (same as we do with ponymail today). Two examples: * http://apache-airflow.slack-archives.org/ Apache Airflow public slack. searchable and owned by us: Developed b

Re: Welcome Willem Jiang as a New PMC Member

2022-02-27 Thread Dianjin Wang
Congratulations, Willem! Best, Dianjin Wang On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 2:49 PM Swapnil M Mane wrote: > Hi everyone, > > The ComDev PMC has invited Willem Jiang to become a member of the committee > and we are glad to announce that he has accepted the nomination. > > Willem has been a great open-s