Re: Keeping PMC communications public when possible -- is an obvious-looking address responsible?

2018-12-07 Thread Mark Thomas
On 07/12/2018 18:31, Rich Bowen wrote: > I have, over the last few days, seen several of our project communities > use their private list for discussions that were not, in anyway, > sensitive. I have called them out on this, but, in each case, my message > has been utterly ignored. Wearing my b

Re: Keeping PMC communications public when possible -- is an obvious-looking address responsible?

2018-12-07 Thread Rich Bowen
On 12/7/18 12:08 PM, Shane Curcuru wrote: > Bertrand Delacretaz wrote on 12/7/18 10:14 AM: >> Hi, >> >> On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 3:53 PM Jay Vyas wrote: >>> ...At the CNCF, I’ve noticed that almost all decisions are made in hangouts >>> and in GitHub issues, and proposals.. >> >> I think this is

Re: Keeping PMC communications public when possible -- is an obvious-looking address responsible?

2018-12-07 Thread Shane Curcuru
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote on 12/7/18 10:14 AM: > Hi, > > On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 3:53 PM Jay Vyas wrote: >> ...At the CNCF, I’ve noticed that almost all decisions are made in hangouts >> and in GitHub issues, and proposals.. > > I think this is exactly how Apache projects are supposed to operate

[NOTICE] Mandatory relocation of Apache git repositories on git-wip-us.apache.org

2018-12-07 Thread Daniel Gruno
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Re: Keeping PMC communications public when possible -- is an obvious-looking address responsible?

2018-12-07 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 3:53 PM Jay Vyas wrote: > ...At the CNCF, I’ve noticed that almost all decisions are made in hangouts > and in GitHub issues, and proposals.. I think this is exactly how Apache projects are supposed to operate: *all* discussions and decisions in public places unless t

Re: Keeping PMC communications public when possible -- is an obvious-looking address responsible?

2018-12-07 Thread Jay Vyas
At the CNCF, I’ve noticed that almost all decisions are made in hangouts and in GitHub issues, and proposals. It definitely is a model that can work. Not saying we should copy them, but just noting that there’s more then one way to skin a cat, and there aren’t any right answers here. > On Dec

Re: Keeping PMC communications public when possible -- is an obvious-looking address responsible?

2018-12-07 Thread sebb
On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 at 13:37, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > > Hi, > > On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 2:19 PM Daniel Gruno wrote: > > ...To me, the question isn't so much about ditching private lists, but > > rather having a separate public management list for PMCSs, and keep a > > private list for private

Re: Keeping PMC communications public when possible -- is an obvious-looking address responsible?

2018-12-07 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 2:19 PM Daniel Gruno wrote: > ...To me, the question isn't so much about ditching private lists, but > rather having a separate public management list for PMCSs, and keep a > private list for private issues... So for project foo you'd have dev@foo.a.o : public pmc

Re: Keeping PMC communications public when possible -- is an obvious-looking address responsible?

2018-12-07 Thread Daniel Gruno
On 12/7/18 2:16 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 11:51 AM sebb wrote: On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 at 13:05, Jay Vyas wrote: ..Agree / propose: remove all private communication. I don't think that is feasible. There are some discussions that must happen in private... +1, if we w

Re: Keeping PMC communications public when possible -- is an obvious-looking address responsible?

2018-12-07 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 11:51 AM sebb wrote: > On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 at 13:05, Jay Vyas wrote: > > ..Agree / propose: remove all private communication. > I don't think that is feasible. > There are some discussions that must happen in private... +1, if we wouldn't have private lists people would use

Re: Keeping PMC communications public when possible -- is an obvious-looking address responsible?

2018-12-07 Thread sebb
On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 at 13:05, Jay Vyas wrote: > > Agree / propose: remove all private communication. I don't think that is feasible. There are some discussions that must happen in private. For example, reports of security issues and personnel discussions. > Other foundations are becoming more ope