Re: Understanding the commit-then-review workflow

Hi, > Ugh. That looks garbled to me. What exactly is a "code modification vote?" > Any committer should be allowed to -1 a commit (with reasons) Any committer can vote -1 it's just not normally binding (depending on project guidelines), I certainly can't see it being ignored when it does hap

Re: Understanding the commit-then-review workflow

> On Jul 8, 2014, at 3:17 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > > The idea of CTR is that the repo that the commit is made > to is not in the direct path to a release. Thus, one > can commit to the repo/branch as a sort of shared sandbox. Not necessarily. Some projects do CTR right up to release tags.

Re: Understanding the commit-then-review workflow

> On Jul 8, 2014, at 3:29 PM, Justin Mclean wrote: > > Hi, > >> Typically in the Apache projects, committers (folks elected by the project >> who have commit >> privileges) have binding vetoes. > > Actually the default is that only PMC members can veto code changes see under > "Binding vote

Re: Understanding the commit-then-review workflow

Hi, > Typically in the Apache projects, committers (folks elected by the project > who have commit > privileges) have binding vetoes. Actually the default is that only PMC members can veto code changes see under "Binding votes" from [1], but project guidelines may state otherwise. Justin 1.

Re: Understanding the commit-then-review workflow

The idea of CTR is that the repo that the commit is made to is not in the direct path to a release. Thus, one can commit to the repo/branch as a sort of shared sandbox. When a commit is proposed to enter into the release path, that path is RTC, which means that the patch must be proposed as a back

Re: Understanding the commit-then-review workflow

On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Eric Schultz wrote: > All, > > I'm trying to understand to the Apache Foundation model of voting in the > commit-then-review system. If a project is running on a CTR system and > someone says they dislike a piece of a previous commit, what happens? Does > it require

Understanding the commit-then-review workflow

All, I'm trying to understand to the Apache Foundation model of voting in the commit-then-review system. If a project is running on a CTR system and someone says they dislike a piece of a previous commit, what happens? Does it require consensus to remove the code or is the code removed if consensu

Re: Proposing for Apache Member?

On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 09:42:56PM +0300, Issac Goldstand wrote: > Ross, > > So to clarify, not all ASF officers are necessarily ASF members? Correct. See: http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#roles

Re: Proposing for Apache Member?

Generally the board likes to see at least one member be part of new PMCs. It is not a requirement but it is a preference. On 8 Jul 2014 19:44, "Andrea Pescetti" wrote: > Branko Čibej wrote: > >> I don't know where you got this, but it definitely is not true that >> every PMC chair is a member. Th

Re: Proposing for Apache Member?

It is correct that VPs (e.g. PMC chairs) are not necessarily Members, though it is common that such individuals are nominated for membership at the next opportunity. If we made foundation membership a requirement for PMC chairs we would be limiting the project communities choice for the role of c

Re: Proposing for Apache Member?

Branko Čibej wrote: I don't know where you got this, but it definitely is not true that every PMC chair is a member. This is not even a requirement. Sure. I became PMC chair before being voted in as a member, for example. It is possible and reasonable that an entire project community contains

Re: Proposing for Apache Member?

Ross, So to clarify, not all ASF officers are necessarily ASF members? Issac On 06/07/2014 16:14, Ross Gardler wrote: > The officer is the PMC chair, not all chairs are members. > > Sent from my phone - please forgive brevity and typos > > -Original Message- > From: "Issac Goldstand

Re: Proposing for Apache Member?

I'm not denying it - but I don't personally see the need for it. Issac On 08/07/2014 19:45, Pierre Smits wrote: > Well, you can't deny that I did propose an amendment to the by-laws a > posting ago. :-) > > Regards, > > Pierre Smits > > *ORRTIZ.COM * > Services & Solut

RE: Proposing for Apache Member?

The officer is the PMC chair, not all chairs are members. Sent from my phone - please forgive brevity and typos -Original Message- From: "Issac Goldstand" Sent: ‎7/‎8/‎2014 12:10 To: "dev@community.apache.org" Subject: Re: Proposing for Apache Member? On 06/07/2014 09:48, Ross Gardler

Re: ApacheCon EU: What I need help with

Hi Rich, That first link that you included redirects to http://tm3.org Regards, Pierre Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM * Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Rich Bo

Re: Proposing for Apache Member?

On 8 July 2014 18:45, Pierre Smits wrote: > Well, you can't deny that I did propose an amendment to the by-laws a > posting ago. :-) > Is there a reason why you are not consistent and apply the same to PMC ? You have exact the same setup, anybody can propose and discuss a new PMC candidate, but

Re: ApacheCon EU: What I need help with

Thank you all for your enormous help so far. I can still use some help if we're going to make a *July 15th* deadline for CFP notifications. Here's what you can still do: The spreadsheet is at *http://tm3.org/aceu2014tracks* * Check the first tab. If something isn't in a track (ie, isn't color

Re: Proposing for Apache Member?

Well, you can't deny that I did propose an amendment to the by-laws a posting ago. :-) Regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM * Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 2:52 PM,

Re: Proposing for Apache Member?

On 08.07.2014 14:09, Pierre Smits wrote: > Hi all, > > Thanks for sharing your insights and viewpoints. > > @Brane: google for the synonym of nominate, and you'll find that you can > interchange nominate for propose and vice versa. Well, I disagree with Google, there are no synonyms. Terminology i

Re: Proposing for Apache Member?

No, because contributors aren't proposing anything as far as the ASF is concerned. They're just having a discussion. Until it comes from a member, it's not a nomination or a proposal or anything other than a discussion. Issac On 08/07/2014 15:44, Pierre Smits wrote: > All, > > Taking into co

Re: Proposing for Apache Member?

All, Taking into consideration that nominate and propose - in general and in this context - mean the same and that any contributor can propose potentials for ASF Membership, shouldn't the by-laws of the Foundation reflect this? Regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM * Services

Re: Proposing for Apache Member?

Hi all, Thanks for sharing your insights and viewpoints. @Brane: google for the synonym of nominate, and you'll find that you can interchange nominate for propose and vice versa. @Ross: Indeed bringing a potential to the awareness of ASF community by mailing to priv...@community.apache.org is a

Re: Proposing for Apache Member?

On 08.07.2014 10:43, Pierre Smits wrote: > Hi All, > > Is it possible that contributors of a project can propose a community > member to be elected as an Apache Member? Only members can nominate new members. -- Brane

Re: Proposing for Apache Member?

On 08.07.2014 13:05, Issac Goldstand wrote: > There are enough members spread out through the various lists to catch > them - I don't imagine that there is a single list hosted by the ASF > that at least one member isn't watching. If only because lists are > backed by PMCs and every PMC chair is a

Re: Proposing for Apache Member?

On 06/07/2014 09:48, Ross Gardler wrote: > [snip] but not all projects have existing members acting as the eyes and ears. [/snip] > Don't they? "In addition to the officers of the corporation, the Board of Directors may, by resolution, establish one or more Project Management Committees consis

Re: Proposing for Apache Member?

Pierre, As Jan has pointed out, there's no way that members (at least the one needed to nominate) would avoid being aware of someone with potential merit to be voted in. There are enough members spread out through the various lists to catch them - I don't imagine that there is a single list hoste

Re: Proposing for Apache Member?

Pierre, There's a lot of talking around the point going on here. As Jan has pointed out, there's no way that members (at least the one needed to nominate) would avoid being aware of someone with potential merit to be voted in. There are enough members spread out through the various lists to catc

RE: Proposing for Apache Member?

Yes, of course a community member can propose a member. As Rob says, the nomination and election has to be done by the Members, but not all projects have existing members acting as the eyes and ears. Of course, not having members in a project community shouldn't impact the project since it is s

Re: Proposing for Apache Member?

On 8 July 2014 12:34, Pierre Smits wrote: > HI Rob, > > Thank you for your prompt reply. > > How would a ASF member become aware of potentials, if it weren't brought to > their attention by others? Should they read-up on every mailing list > available to establish such awareness for themselves? I

Re: Proposing for Apache Member?

HI Rob, Thank you for your prompt reply. How would a ASF member become aware of potentials, if it weren't brought to their attention by others? Should they read-up on every mailing list available to establish such awareness for themselves? I don't regard such as feasible. I would say that bringi

Re: Proposing for Apache Member?

On 8 July 2014 11:41, Rob Vesse wrote: > Pierre > > Not unless one/more of those contributors is themselves a Member/Officer > of the ASF - see Sectopn 4.1 of the Bylaws > (http://apache.org/foundation/bylaws.html#4.1) which states the following: > > To be eligible for membership, a person or ent

Re: Proposing for Apache Member?

Pierre Not unless one/more of those contributors is themselves a Member/Officer of the ASF - see Sectopn 4.1 of the Bylaws (http://apache.org/foundation/bylaws.html#4.1) which states the following: To be eligible for membership, a person or entity must be nominated by a current member of the corp

Proposing for Apache Member?

Hi All, Is it possible that contributors of a project can propose a community member to be elected as an Apache Member? Regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM * Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com