Re: Release hell WAS: [VOTE] Release Apache Commons Codec 1.5-RC1

2011-03-30 Thread Luc Maisonobe
Le 30/03/2011 03:36, Gary Gregory a écrit : > Wait! I'm not done or I'm loosing my marbles... > > I followed the whole song and dance from: > > http://wiki.apache.org/commons/UsingNexus > > It's the last time I'll pick that route. For what its worth, for math 2.2 I used a mix of Phil scripts fo

Re: Release hell WAS: [VOTE] Release Apache Commons Codec 1.5-RC1

2011-03-30 Thread Ralph Goers
On Mar 29, 2011, at 7:40 PM, Stephen Williams wrote: > On 3/29/11 7:33 PM, Ralph Goers wrote: >> On Mar 29, 2011, at 7:24 PM, Stephen Williams wrote: >>> ... >>> So, lesson learned: Don't use Maven! ;-) >>> No, the other one: make copies of your code through multiple means until it >>> is compl

Re: Release Commons Pool 1.5.6 based on RC2

2011-03-30 Thread Simone Tripodi
+1 :) Simo http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://www.99soft.org/ On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Phil Steitz wrote: > The tag is here: > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/commons/proper/pool/tags/POOL_1_5_6_RC2 > > The distribution zips/tars are here: > http://people.apache.org/~pstei

Re: Release hell WAS: [VOTE] Release Apache Commons Codec 1.5-RC1

2011-03-30 Thread Ralph Goers
On Mar 30, 2011, at 12:01 AM, Luc Maisonobe wrote: > Le 30/03/2011 03:36, Gary Gregory a écrit : >> Wait! I'm not done or I'm loosing my marbles... >> >> I followed the whole song and dance from: >> >> http://wiki.apache.org/commons/UsingNexus >> >> It's the last time I'll pick that route. >

Re: Release Commons Pool 1.5.6 based on RC2

2011-03-30 Thread Christian Grobmeier
+1 Two comments: - At the site top left javadocs for 1.5.6 are not linked - groupId is commons-pool. Shouldn't it change to org.apache or something? Guess that one is for later I have not checked sigs On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Phil Steitz wrote: > The tag is here: > http://svn.apache.or

Re: Release hell WAS: [VOTE] Release Apache Commons Codec 1.5-RC1

2011-03-30 Thread Stephen Williams
On 3/30/11 12:02 AM, Ralph Goers wrote: On Mar 29, 2011, at 7:40 PM, Stephen Williams wrote: On 3/29/11 7:33 PM, Ralph Goers wrote: On Mar 29, 2011, at 7:24 PM, Stephen Williams wrote: ... So, lesson learned: Don't use Maven! ;-) No, the other one: make copies of your code through multiple me

Re: Release hell WAS: [VOTE] Release Apache Commons Codec 1.5-RC1

2011-03-30 Thread Luc Maisonobe
Le 30/03/2011 09:07, Ralph Goers a écrit : > > On Mar 30, 2011, at 12:01 AM, Luc Maisonobe wrote: > >> Le 30/03/2011 03:36, Gary Gregory a écrit : >>> Wait! I'm not done or I'm loosing my marbles... >>> >>> I followed the whole song and dance from: >>> >>> http://wiki.apache.org/commons/UsingNexu

[GUMP@vmgump]: Project commons-scxml-test (in module apache-commons) failed

2011-03-30 Thread Gump
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Re: [Math] What's the problem with interfaces?

2011-03-30 Thread Gilles Sadowski
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 02:21:04AM +0100, sebb wrote: > On 30 March 2011 01:15, Gilles Sadowski wrote: > > Hi. > > > >> We have been talking about moving away from interfaces as the > >> preferred way to support people plugging in alternative > >> implementations because they have in several place

[GUMP@vmgump]: Project commons-id (in module commons-sandbox) failed

2011-03-30 Thread Gump
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[GUMP@vmgump]: Project commons-proxy-test (in module apache-commons) failed

2011-03-30 Thread Gump
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Re: [Math] What's the problem with interfaces?

2011-03-30 Thread Gilles Sadowski
Hi Jorg. > > > > From comments that were posted to the other thread, I gather the main > > trend that, because some interfaces needed an upgrade, the "interface" > > design tool is becoming "evil". Did I get this right? > > > > I guess that you refer to "RandomData" and "RandomDataImpl". This is

Re: svn commit: r1086810 - /commons/proper/pool/branches/POOL_1_X/pom.xml

2011-03-30 Thread sebb
On 30 March 2011 06:30, Phil Steitz wrote: > On 3/29/11 6:30 PM, sebb wrote: >> On 30 March 2011 01:13,   wrote: >>> Author: psteitz >>> Date: Wed Mar 30 00:13:51 2011 >>> New Revision: 1086810 >>> >>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=1086810&view=rev >>> Log: >>> Upgraded parent pom, downgra

Re: [Math] What's the problem with interfaces?

2011-03-30 Thread Luc Maisonobe
Le 30/03/2011 13:33, Gilles Sadowski a écrit : > On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 02:21:04AM +0100, sebb wrote: >> On 30 March 2011 01:15, Gilles Sadowski wrote: >>> Hi. >>> We have been talking about moving away from interfaces as the preferred way to support people plugging in alternative

Re: Release hell WAS: [VOTE] Release Apache Commons Codec 1.5-RC1

2011-03-30 Thread sebb
On 30 March 2011 08:07, Ralph Goers wrote: > > On Mar 30, 2011, at 12:01 AM, Luc Maisonobe wrote: > >> Le 30/03/2011 03:36, Gary Gregory a écrit : >>> Wait! I'm not done or I'm loosing my marbles... >>> >>> I followed the whole song and dance from: >>> >>> http://wiki.apache.org/commons/UsingNexus

Re: Release hell WAS: [VOTE] Release Apache Commons Codec 1.5-RC1

2011-03-30 Thread sebb
On 30 March 2011 08:01, Luc Maisonobe wrote: > Le 30/03/2011 03:36, Gary Gregory a écrit : >> Wait! I'm not done or I'm loosing my marbles... >> >> I followed the whole song and dance from: >> >> http://wiki.apache.org/commons/UsingNexus >> >> It's the last time I'll pick that route. > > For what

Re: [codec] Moving on to codec 2.0

2011-03-30 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 8:52 PM, sebb wrote: > I think that should be avoided unless the API is also being changed in > an incompatible way, and then only if it really is impossible to > maintain backwards compatibility. I think there are excellent reasons to change the API in codec. Reasons inc

Re: Release hell WAS: [VOTE] Release Apache Commons Codec 1.5-RC1

2011-03-30 Thread Phil Steitz
On 3/30/11 5:39 AM, sebb wrote: > On 30 March 2011 08:01, Luc Maisonobe wrote: >> Le 30/03/2011 03:36, Gary Gregory a écrit : >>> Wait! I'm not done or I'm loosing my marbles... >>> >>> I followed the whole song and dance from: >>> >>> http://wiki.apache.org/commons/UsingNexus >>> >>> It's the las

Re: Release hell WAS: [VOTE] Release Apache Commons Codec 1.5-RC1

2011-03-30 Thread Gary Gregory
On Mar 30, 2011, at 12:04, Phil Steitz wrote: > On 3/30/11 5:39 AM, sebb wrote: >> On 30 March 2011 08:01, Luc Maisonobe wrote: >>> Le 30/03/2011 03:36, Gary Gregory a �crit : Wait! I'm not done or I'm loosing my marbles... I followed the whole song and dance from: htt

Re: [Math] What's the problem with interfaces?

2011-03-30 Thread Ole Ersoy
I think that you reason on the basic assumption that CM is close to stability. Many problems (some bugs but also design consistency) have shown that it is not. So, my opinion is that users will prefer a product that continues to improve rather than something that is backward-compatible. I'm one of

Re: [codec] Moving on to codec 2.0

2011-03-30 Thread sebb
On 30 March 2011 16:19, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: > On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 8:52 PM, sebb wrote: > >> I think that should be avoided unless the API is also being changed in >> an incompatible way, and then only if it really is impossible to >> maintain backwards compatibility. > > I think there are

Re: [Math] What's the problem with interfaces?

2011-03-30 Thread Phil Steitz
We are mixing two things in this thread - how much we care about backward compatibility and how and when to use interfaces. I think we need to settle both topics. I have stated my view, which is really just to standard Commons policy, on the backward compatibility issue. Based on many years expe

Re: Release hell WAS: [VOTE] Release Apache Commons Codec 1.5-RC1

2011-03-30 Thread sebb
On 30 March 2011 17:03, Phil Steitz wrote: > On 3/30/11 5:39 AM, sebb wrote: >> On 30 March 2011 08:01, Luc Maisonobe wrote: >>> Le 30/03/2011 03:36, Gary Gregory a écrit : Wait! I'm not done or I'm loosing my marbles... I followed the whole song and dance from: http://wi

Re: Release hell WAS: [VOTE] Release Apache Commons Codec 1.5-RC1

2011-03-30 Thread Gary Gregory
On Mar 30, 2011, at 13:24, sebb wrote: > On 30 March 2011 17:03, Phil Steitz wrote: >> On 3/30/11 5:39 AM, sebb wrote: >>> On 30 March 2011 08:01, Luc Maisonobe wrote: Le 30/03/2011 03:36, Gary Gregory a écrit : > Wait! I'm not done or I'm loosing my marbles... > > I followed t

Re: Release hell WAS: [VOTE] Release Apache Commons Codec 1.5-RC1

2011-03-30 Thread Phil Steitz
On 3/30/11 10:24 AM, sebb wrote: > On 30 March 2011 17:03, Phil Steitz wrote: >> On 3/30/11 5:39 AM, sebb wrote: >>> On 30 March 2011 08:01, Luc Maisonobe wrote: Le 30/03/2011 03:36, Gary Gregory a écrit : > Wait! I'm not done or I'm loosing my marbles... > > I followed the whole

Re: [Math] What's the problem with interfaces?

2011-03-30 Thread Jörg Schaible
Hi Gilles, Gilles Sadowski wrote: > Hi Jorg. > >> > >> > From comments that were posted to the other thread, I gather the main >> > trend that, because some interfaces needed an upgrade, the "interface" >> > design tool is becoming "evil". Did I get this right? >> > >> > I guess that you refer

Re: Release hell WAS: [VOTE] Release Apache Commons Codec 1.5-RC1

2011-03-30 Thread Mark Thomas
On 30/03/2011 18:43, Phil Steitz wrote: > I get that, which is why I think some kind of middle ground where we > provide simple scripts to move stuff around on the ASF hosts might > be a good compromise. This is essentially what the ibiblio-rysnch > stuff does. The only manual missing piece is co

Re: Release hell WAS: [VOTE] Release Apache Commons Codec 1.5-RC1

2011-03-30 Thread sebb
On 30 March 2011 19:23, Mark Thomas wrote: > On 30/03/2011 18:43, Phil Steitz wrote: >> I get that, which is why I think some kind of middle ground where we >> provide simple scripts to move stuff around on the ASF hosts might >> be a good compromise.  This is essentially what the ibiblio-rysnch >

Re: Release hell WAS: [VOTE] Release Apache Commons Codec 1.5-RC1

2011-03-30 Thread Gary Gregory
> > > I cannot seem to have published the Maven bits to Maven places. There is > no > > 1.5 here: > > > > http://repo1.maven.org/maven2/commons-codec/commons-codec/ > Still nothing there. :( Gary

Re: Release hell WAS: [VOTE] Release Apache Commons Codec 1.5-RC1

2011-03-30 Thread Phil Steitz
On 3/30/11 11:23 AM, Mark Thomas wrote: > On 30/03/2011 18:43, Phil Steitz wrote: >> I get that, which is why I think some kind of middle ground where we >> provide simple scripts to move stuff around on the ASF hosts might >> be a good compromise. This is essentially what the ibiblio-rysnch >> st

Re: Release Commons Pool 1.5.6 based on RC2

2011-03-30 Thread Gary Gregory
+1 Thank you to Phil for RM'ing. All is well on my system: Apache Maven 2.2.1 (r801777; 2009-08-06 15:16:01-0400) Java version: 1.6.0_24 Java home: C:\Program Files\Java\jdk1.6.0_24\jre Default locale: en_US, platform encoding: Cp1252 OS name: "windows 7" version: "6.1" arch: "amd64" Family: "wi

Re: Release Commons Pool 1.5.6 based on RC2

2011-03-30 Thread Mark Thomas
On 30/03/2011 07:17, Phil Steitz wrote: > The tag is here: > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/commons/proper/pool/tags/POOL_1_5_6_RC2 > > The distribution zips/tars are here: > http://people.apache.org/~psteitz/pool-1.5.6-rc2/ MD5/SHA1s match for source distributions. OpenPGP signatures valid and

Re: Release Commons Pool 1.5.6 based on RC2

2011-03-30 Thread Phil Steitz
On 3/30/11 1:21 PM, Mark Thomas wrote: > On 30/03/2011 07:17, Phil Steitz wrote: >> The tag is here: >> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/commons/proper/pool/tags/POOL_1_5_6_RC2 >> >> The distribution zips/tars are here: >> http://people.apache.org/~psteitz/pool-1.5.6-rc2/ > MD5/SHA1s match for sourc

Re: Release Commons Pool 1.5.6 based on RC2

2011-03-30 Thread sebb
On 30 March 2011 21:37, Phil Steitz wrote: > On 3/30/11 1:21 PM, Mark Thomas wrote: >> On 30/03/2011 07:17, Phil Steitz wrote: >>> The tag is here: >>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/commons/proper/pool/tags/POOL_1_5_6_RC2 >>> >>> The distribution zips/tars are here: >>> http://people.apache.org/

Re: svn commit: r1086810 - /commons/proper/pool/branches/POOL_1_X/pom.xml

2011-03-30 Thread sebb
On 30 March 2011 06:30, Phil Steitz wrote: > On 3/29/11 6:30 PM, sebb wrote: >> On 30 March 2011 01:13,   wrote: >>> Author: psteitz >>> Date: Wed Mar 30 00:13:51 2011 >>> New Revision: 1086810 >>> >>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=1086810&view=rev >>> Log: >>> Upgraded parent pom, downgra

[Nexus] Commons-codec release not showing up in Maven Central after 24 hours

2011-03-30 Thread sebb
Commons Codec 1.5 was promoted from Nexus on 29 March 2011 06:21 and is showing up here: https://repository.apache.org/content/groups/staging/commons-codec/commons-codec/1.5/ However it has yet to show up in Maven Central over 24 hours later. http://repo1.maven.org/maven2/commons-codec/commons-

[discovery] moving on to 0.5

2011-03-30 Thread Simone Tripodi
Hi all guys, I recently needed the Discovery in a project of mine and noticed we haven't had releases since 2008. I would like to update it, improving a little the design - like, for example, using the generics. Any objection? Thanks in advance, have a nice day, Simo http://people.apache.org/~simo

Re: Release hell WAS: [VOTE] Release Apache Commons Codec 1.5-RC1

2011-03-30 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Phil Steitz wrote: > There is this cool command called "cp" that works very well.  There > is another one called "tar" and even one called "scp" ;)  If the > problem is that we want to be more paranoid than we are with the > mirrors for the maven stuff, why can't

Re: [codec] Moving on to codec 2.0

2011-03-30 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 7:04 PM, sebb wrote: > But does the API have to change, or could these additional features be > supported by adding new methods and classes? Not necessarily. But my point is that codec is in a state where breaking the API will make work just easier. So why not take the op

Re: Release process WAS [VOTE] Release Apache Commons Codec 1.5-RC1

2011-03-30 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Phil Steitz wrote: > I disagree with this.  The most important artifacts are the > zips/tars that go to dist/.  These *are* the ASF release.  Nexus > makes it *harder* IMO to maintain provenance of these artifacts. These artifacts are present in Nexus. Pulling th

Re: [codec] Moving on to codec 2.0

2011-03-30 Thread sebb
On 31 March 2011 00:17, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: > On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 7:04 PM, sebb wrote: > >> But does the API have to change, or could these additional features be >> supported by adding new methods and classes? > > Not necessarily. But my point is that codec is in a state where > breaking

Re: Release process WAS [VOTE] Release Apache Commons Codec 1.5-RC1

2011-03-30 Thread sebb
On 31 March 2011 00:22, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: > On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Phil Steitz wrote: > >> I disagree with this.  The most important artifacts are the >> zips/tars that go to dist/.  These *are* the ASF release.  Nexus >> makes it *harder* IMO to maintain provenance of these artifa

Re: Release process WAS [VOTE] Release Apache Commons Codec 1.5-RC1

2011-03-30 Thread Phil Steitz
On 3/30/11 4:22 PM, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: > On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Phil Steitz wrote: > >> I disagree with this. The most important artifacts are the >> zips/tars that go to dist/. These *are* the ASF release. Nexus >> makes it *harder* IMO to maintain provenance of these artifacts.

Re: svn commit: r1086810 - /commons/proper/pool/branches/POOL_1_X/pom.xml

2011-03-30 Thread Niall Pemberton
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 6:30 AM, Phil Steitz wrote: > On 3/29/11 6:30 PM, sebb wrote: >> On 30 March 2011 01:13,   wrote: >>> Author: psteitz >>> Date: Wed Mar 30 00:13:51 2011 >>> New Revision: 1086810 >>> >>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=1086810&view=rev >>> Log: >>> Upgraded parent pom

Re: svn commit: r1086810 - /commons/proper/pool/branches/POOL_1_X/pom.xml

2011-03-30 Thread sebb
On 31 March 2011 02:00, Niall Pemberton wrote: > On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 6:30 AM, Phil Steitz wrote: >> On 3/29/11 6:30 PM, sebb wrote: >>> On 30 March 2011 01:13,   wrote: Author: psteitz Date: Wed Mar 30 00:13:51 2011 New Revision: 1086810 URL: http://svn.apache.org/vie

Re: Release process WAS [VOTE] Release Apache Commons Codec 1.5-RC1

2011-03-30 Thread sebb
On 31 March 2011 01:38, Phil Steitz wrote: > On 3/30/11 4:22 PM, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Phil Steitz wrote: >> >>> I disagree with this.  The most important artifacts are the >>> zips/tars that go to dist/.  These *are* the ASF release.  Nexus >>> makes it *hard

Re: Release process WAS [VOTE] Release Apache Commons Codec 1.5-RC1

2011-03-30 Thread Ralph Goers
I'm seeing a lot of complaining on these threads but no actual proposal. If the proposal is to move away from Maven/Nexus for a release for all of commons I'll vote -1. OTOH, If some release managers want to do the release some other way I'm not going to force them to use Maven/Nexus. Ralph

Re: Release process WAS [VOTE] Release Apache Commons Codec 1.5-RC1

2011-03-30 Thread Phil Steitz
On 3/30/11 6:57 PM, sebb wrote: > On 31 March 2011 01:38, Phil Steitz wrote: >> On 3/30/11 4:22 PM, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: >>> On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Phil Steitz wrote: >>> I disagree with this. The most important artifacts are the zips/tars that go to dist/. These *are* the

Re: Release process WAS [VOTE] Release Apache Commons Codec 1.5-RC1

2011-03-30 Thread Phil Steitz
On 3/30/11 7:07 PM, Ralph Goers wrote: > I'm seeing a lot of complaining on these threads but no actual proposal. I started the thread with a proposal, which was to standardize on the process documented on the web site. I know you don't like that process and I am not going to insist that we force

Re: Release Commons Pool 1.5.6 based on RC2

2011-03-30 Thread Phil Steitz
On 3/29/11 11:17 PM, Phil Steitz wrote: > The tag is here: > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/commons/proper/pool/tags/POOL_1_5_6_RC2 > > The distribution zips/tars are here: > http://people.apache.org/~psteitz/pool-1.5.6-rc2/ > > Maven artifacts are here: > http://people.apache.org/~psteitz/pool-1.