Re: [lang] alpha package

2011-04-07 Thread Henri Yandell
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Phil Steitz wrote: > On 4/7/11 1:14 PM, sebb wrote: >> On 7 April 2011 21:08, Henri Yandell wrote: >>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Phil Steitz wrote: I think the idea of having a separate, releasable "child" of some kind that can break compatibility

Re: [lang] alpha package

2011-04-07 Thread Phil Steitz
On 4/7/11 1:14 PM, sebb wrote: > On 7 April 2011 21:08, Henri Yandell wrote: >> On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Phil Steitz wrote: >>> I think the idea of having a separate, releasable "child" of some >>> kind that can break compatibility with its parent and earlier >>> versions of itself is a g

Re: [lang] alpha package

2011-04-07 Thread sebb
On 7 April 2011 21:08, Henri Yandell wrote: > On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Phil Steitz wrote: >> >> I think the idea of having a separate, releasable "child" of some >> kind that can break compatibility with its parent and earlier >> versions of itself is a good one.  The setup I have describ

Re: [lang] alpha package

2011-04-07 Thread Henri Yandell
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Phil Steitz wrote: > > I think the idea of having a separate, releasable "child" of some > kind that can break compatibility with its parent and earlier > versions of itself is a good one.  The setup I have described above > is probably not the best, but we should

Re: [lang] alpha package

2011-04-07 Thread Phil Steitz
On 4/7/11 10:00 AM, sebb wrote: > On 7 April 2011 16:42, Henri Yandell wrote: >> On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 8:32 AM, Jochen Wiedmann >> wrote: >>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 5:28 PM, Henri Yandell wrote: >>> I think a separate jar would be lot less valuable - that basically makes it a separate

Re: [lang] alpha package

2011-04-07 Thread sebb
On 7 April 2011 16:42, Henri Yandell wrote: > On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 8:32 AM, Jochen Wiedmann > wrote: >> On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 5:28 PM, Henri Yandell wrote: >> >>> I think a separate jar would be lot less valuable - that basically >>> makes it a separate project/branch etc. Even if we mess aro

Re: [lang] alpha package

2011-04-07 Thread Henri Yandell
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 8:32 AM, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: > On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 5:28 PM, Henri Yandell wrote: > >> I think a separate jar would be lot less valuable - that basically >> makes it a separate project/branch etc. Even if we mess around in >> Maven to produce multiple jars, we're still

Re: [lang] alpha package

2011-04-07 Thread Henri Yandell
It's worthless unless we release it. :( A similar example is that I don't see why we can't have lang4 code appearing in the lang3 jar; and I don't see why we would have to be backwards compat for the lang4 code while on the lang3 branch. I agree it's novel, but lang is too core to other projects

Re: [lang] alpha package

2011-04-07 Thread Stephen Colebourne
I'd agree with an alpha area, but I don't agree with releasing it. [lang] is too core to other projects to be doing things like that IMO. Stephen On 7 April 2011 07:35, Henri Yandell wrote: > I've been pondering the tension between stability and innovation. > > Once 3.0 is out I'd like to add a

Re: [lang] alpha package

2011-04-07 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 5:28 PM, Henri Yandell wrote: > I think a separate jar would be lot less valuable - that basically > makes it a separate project/branch etc. Even if we mess around in > Maven to produce multiple jars, we're still create two separate > artifacts simply to deal with any tooli

Re: [lang] alpha package

2011-04-07 Thread Henri Yandell
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 4:07 AM, sebb wrote: > On 7 April 2011 07:35, Henri Yandell wrote: >> I've been pondering the tension between stability and innovation. >> >> Once 3.0 is out I'd like to add an alpha subpackage: >> >>  org.apache.commons.lang-alpha >> >> It's specifically a location of code

Re: [lang] alpha package

2011-04-07 Thread Gary Gregory
On Apr 7, 2011, at 2:36, Henri Yandell wrote: > I've been pondering the tension between stability and innovation. > > Once 3.0 is out I'd like to add an alpha subpackage: > > org.apache.commons.lang-alpha > > It's specifically a location of code that is: > > a) Not linked to a version. When we

Re: [lang] alpha package

2011-04-07 Thread sebb
On 7 April 2011 07:35, Henri Yandell wrote: > I've been pondering the tension between stability and innovation. > > Once 3.0 is out I'd like to add an alpha subpackage: > >  org.apache.commons.lang-alpha > > It's specifically a location of code that is: > >  a) Not linked to a version. When we mov

Re: [lang] alpha package

2011-04-07 Thread luc . maisonobe
- "Henri Yandell" a écrit : > I've been pondering the tension between stability and innovation. > > Once 3.0 is out I'd like to add an alpha subpackage: > > org.apache.commons.lang-alpha > > It's specifically a location of code that is: > > a) Not linked to a version. When we move to

[lang] alpha package

2011-04-06 Thread Henri Yandell
I've been pondering the tension between stability and innovation. Once 3.0 is out I'd like to add an alpha subpackage: org.apache.commons.lang-alpha It's specifically a location of code that is: a) Not linked to a version. When we move to 4.0 it does not change. b) Does not offer backward